Spikes from Everyday Noise?

Canadaman

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Dec 9, 2017
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Tinnitus Since
11/2017
Cause of Tinnitus
Loud bar for two hours + levofloxacin + stress
My tinnitus seems to spike even just from walking down the street in the city for 15 minutes. It generally seems to take a day or two to reduce to normal.

Is is normal for tinnitus to spike this easily? Do I need to wear earplugs all the time even when just walking outside?

It's been four months since onset, and I've spent lots of time wearing earplugs when I'm outside, but I didn't want to have to do that forever.
 
My tinnitus seems to spike even just from walking down the street in the city for 15 minutes. It generally seems to take a day or two to reduce to normal.

Is is normal for tinnitus to spike this easily? Do I need to wear earplugs all the time even when just walking outside?

It's been four months since onset, and I've spent lots of time wearing earplugs when I'm outside, but I didn't want to have to do that forever.

It seems that you have sensitive ears. Wearing ear plugs inside, is not something I would do. Over protecting the ears in general can possibly train your mind to be scared of all noises. Not every noise or sound is harmful to your ears.

Some folks will wear ear plugs while going outside, I don't do that and never did that before. It is all up to you and how you feel. Do understand that spikes don't always happen just because of noise. They also tend to happen quite a bit because of STRESS/anxiety. They can even remain because of the anxiety/stress, so do try to control that as much as you can...
 
Is is normal for tinnitus to spike this easily? Do I need to wear earplugs all the time even when just walking outside?
If you are walking along a busy street frequented by accelerating trucks and motorcycles, AND you are getting this signal from your body, then it is a good idea to protect your ear from that noise. If you were to break your arm and several months later lifting stuff or participating in a boxing match were to result in pain, surely you would change your behaviour (despite the fact that back when you were healthy, those actions did not result in pain).

I am not sure how common it is to get spikes after being exposed to street noise, but it is certainly not rare! Think of those T spikes as pain - both are signals that you can use to ensure that you are not interfering with your healing.

You will want to stabilize, and then surely (after a year or two) you will be able to gradually reintroduce yourself to moderate noises like that of a busy street. You might want to stay away from some noises (e.g., blender) forever, though.
 
Over protecting the ears in general can possibly train your mind to be scared of all noises.
Yes, you will want to watch TV with the volume set as high as you can tolerate without any ill effects. That will ensure that you don't develop H.

Not every noise or sound is harmful to your ears.
You will want to identify the noises that had caused you to have T spikes, and then try to stay away from those noises. Of course noises that don't result in a spike are probably not harmful and can be ignored.
 
City traffic can be very noisy, especially in some cities. I wear earplugs while walking in the city to protect myself from a sudden loud noise like a siren or a car honking.

Don't forget Harley Davidson's... Those things are louder than semi-trucks, and their riders love to rev them up for absolutely no reason. I had a neighbor that would clutch in while he was moving (zero reason for this, he wasn't rev match downshifting, just revving) and rev the hell outta it throughout the entire neighborhood... Most (not all) Harley riders are inconsiderate assholes.
 
Noise in enclosed places are most dangerous

I don't think a loud motorcycle passing for a few seconds can damage ears unless it's a tunnel
 
Noise in enclosed places are most dangerous

I don't think a loud motorcycle passing for a few seconds can damage ears unless it's a tunnel

I've see videos of these things hitting over 120 decibels running straight pipes, usually measured from around ten feet away (keep in mind this standing still with no load on the motor, acceleration is even louder)... And where I'm from, 9/10 Harley's run straight pipes, this is no exaggeration, they are DEAFENING.
 
Don't forget Harley Davidson's... Those things are louder than semi-trucks, and their riders love to rev them up for absolutely no reason. I had a neighbor that would clutch in while he was moving (zero reason for this, he wasn't rev match downshifting, just revving) and rev the hell outta it throughout the entire neighborhood... Most (not all) Harley riders are inconsiderate assholes.

I forgot about motorcycles. They are always so loud. I also hate it when people remove the muffler from their cars.
 
I forgot about motorcycles. They are always so loud. I also hate it when people remove the muffler from their cars.

Completely agree... Where I live (Arizona) this is common place, a lot of people run ridiculously loud exhaust setups. I'm a car guy through and through and I love motorcycles as well, but a lot of people take it way too far, it's extremely annoying.
 
These topics are debated at least once a day and we go through the same scenarios and arguments every time. There's clearly two sides to this forum: the protect all the time group, and the protect when necessary group.

The former believe it's essential that earplugs be worn whilst out and about. This includes: travelling in cars, walking around shopping malls, walking near roads/a city, using public transport, using certain home appliances, any place where doors and other objects could potentially slam together, etc.

The latter believe it's essential to protect your ears around sustained levels of dangerous noise. Such as: nightclubs, loud bars, concerts, parties, sports events, power tools, lawnmowers, motorsports, the theatre/cinema, etc.

Do your own research and come to your own conclusions, because I know from experience that these discussions never end. We start the same debate everytime a new thread begins and the process repeats itself. I'm firmly in the latter camp for various reasons; the others will vehemently disagree.
 
These topics are debated at least once a day and we go through the same scenarios and arguments every time. There's clearly two sides to this forum: the protect all the time group, and the protect when necessary group.

The former believe it's essential that earplugs be worn whilst out and about. This includes: travelling in cars, walking around shopping malls, walking near roads/a city, using public transport, using certain home appliances, any place where doors and other objects could potentially slam together, etc.

The latter believe it's essential to protect your ears around sustained levels of dangerous noise. Such as: nightclubs, loud bars, concerts, parties, sports events, power tools, lawnmowers, motorsports, the theatre/cinema, etc.

Do your own research and come to your own conclusions, because I know from experience that these discussions never end. We start the same debate everytime a new thread begins and the process repeats itself. I'm firmly in the latter camp for various reasons; the others will vehemently disagree.
Indeed, it's getting really tiring, and the problem is that the OP is not helped at all.
I am glad these sides didn't exist when I first had T. I gave myself a fear of sound, didn't need a forum for that.

I'll say one more thing over this matter: In almost every post Bill keeps suggesting that a spike is related to the sound your ears have to deal with, while there are a lot of other factors.
The way the brain interprets the audio signal, or how it can boost certain signals.
And there is a lot of evidence that overprotecting leads to H, H leads to spikes.
Having a spike does NOT always (actually rarely) mean that your haircells or nerves are getting more damaged. It's much more complicated than that.
I am not saying you should not be careful, but if your body is always in state of awareness it surely doesn't help your T.

So comparing your ears to a broken arm is beyond silly.

I had to respond because, Bill you keep telling people that they have to listen to their body, and that their ears can't clearly deal with the noise. Have you not thought that it is not that simple?
 
These topics are debated at least once a day and we go through the same scenarios and arguments every time. There's clearly two sides to this forum: the protect all the time group, and the protect when necessary group.

Don't forget the never leave the house, I'd rather be raped than socialise yet am fully habituated wearing earmuffs in the house in case my door slams and causes acoustic trauma group ... Just saying ...
 
I'll say one more thing over this matter: In almost every post Bill keeps suggesting that a spike is related to the sound your ears have to deal with, while there are a lot of other factors.
The way the brain interprets the audio signal, or how it can boost certain signals.
And there is a lot of evidence that overprotecting leads to H, H leads to spikes.
Having a spike does NOT always (actually rarely) mean that your haircells or nerves are getting more damaged. It's much more complicated than that.
I am not saying you should not be careful, but if your body is always in state of awareness it surely doesn't help your T.

So comparing your ears to a broken arm is beyond silly.

You are wrong, Bill is right, social life is death, end of discussion.

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Indeed, it's getting really tiring, and the problem is that the OP is not helped at all.
I am glad these sides didn't exist when I first had T. I gave myself a fear of sound, didn't need a forum for that.

I'll say one more thing over this matter: In almost every post Bill keeps suggesting that a spike is related to the sound your ears have to deal with, while there are a lot of other factors.
The way the brain interprets the audio signal, or how it can boost certain signals.
And there is a lot of evidence that overprotecting leads to H, H leads to spikes.
Having a spike does NOT always (actually rarely) mean that your haircells or nerves are getting more damaged. It's much more complicated than that.
I am not saying you should not be careful, but if your body is always in state of awareness it surely doesn't help your T.

So comparing your ears to a broken arm is beyond silly.

I had to respond because, Bill you keep telling people that they have to listen to their body, and that their ears can't clearly deal with the noise. Have you not thought that it is not that simple?

@Canadaman,

I'll copy an old post of mine that seems relevant here:

I hear my tinnitus all the time, but don't really react to it anymore. Some days I do/will, but on the whole, I pretty much go about my day and don't think about it all that much. It is pretty much down to ignoring it, and that is the essence of habituation. The noise kind of exists on a seperate plane of my brain; the second I think, or overly worry about it, it's there in all it's glory. If I've got other things on my mind, however, it's not necessarily front and centre, but co-existing on a different realm of my consciousness.

Tinnitus is known to be associated with deeper processing centres of the brain. It's theorised that once signals travel from the ear to the auditory cortex, caudate and putamen, they then make their way to other regions of the brain where more sophisticated processing takes place. This involves memory, and your brain interpreting the meaning of the sound, whilst giving it emotional significance. There are various studies that have been carried out on the brain of people with tinnitus vs people without using MEGs and EEGs. What's usually apparent, is that the tinnitus brains have other areas activated, with neurons firing in synch with the auditory cortex. It's like a complex web of connections. Many believe that the way we deal with tinnitus (especially early on) has ramifications on how the brain learns to deal with the problem. If the amygdala attaches relevance to it, it's likely our emotions will also be caught up in it, creating a heightened perception.

Our behaviour can be an important factor in how the problem gets handled. Some of the overprotection, and avoidance practices, attach significant weight to the tinnitus signal in your subconsciousness. The brain is smart, and will usually learn to ignore it if you don't become overly anxious about it. Loud noise is a common trigger, but the way we deal with the aftermath can lead to further problems if we let it get out of control.

You can seek out more information about this online. Another area of research implicates a faulty gating (filtering) system (which I've read about many times in New Scientist magazine), which is jointly connected with chronic pain disorder. I'll post a excerpt and a couple of links below, but I recommend further research and reading:

"Tinnitus and chronic pain are sensory-perceptual disorders associated with negative affect and high impact on well-being and behavior. It is now becoming increasingly clear that higher cognitive and affective brain systems are centrally involved in the pathology of both disorders. We propose that the ventromedial prefrontal cortex and the nucleus accumbens are part of a central 'gatekeeping' system in both sensory modalities, a system which evaluates the relevance and affective value of sensory stimuli and controls information flow via descending pathways. If this frontostriatal system is compromised, long-lasting disturbances are the result. Parallels in both systems are striking and mutually informative, and progress in understanding central gating mechanisms might provide a new impetus to the therapy of tinnitus and chronic pain."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26412095/


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21220097/?i=2&from=/26412095/related
 
Here's another old post of mine, that may be relevant to this thread as well, regarding stress:

There are certain signs that stress can play an important role with tinnitus, and more studies in this area may begin to show some solid conclusive proof. There is some evidence however - scientific and anecdotal - that shows stress is a very important contributor.

A common feature of burnout syndrome, for example, is tinnitus. Why is this? You could find a relationship between excessive cortisol levels in the bloodstream - over an extended period of time - and problems with tinnitus arising or getting worse. There is certainly a lot of evidence to support this from the frequent reports of tinnitus arising after intense periods of emotional stress. Excessive cortisol is not good for us and can cause all kinds of problems if left unchecked. Another issue is that many people are simply unaware that their cortisol levels are high, as they adapt or get used to it. Stress in this instance is a hidden danger.

Here is a link explaining more on the subject; I will copy and paste the content below:
http://www.deutsche-tinnitus-stiftung-charite.de/en/projects/tinnitus_and_stress/

"Many people who suffer from tinnitus believe that stress is the cause. And first studies indicate that there is indeed a connection. What is lacking is scientific proof.
The project "Influence of emotional stress on auditory functions" (for short: "Tinnitus and Stress") is contributing to remedying this lack. It draws on research done by the molecular biology research laboratory of the ENT Clinic and the Tinnitus Center Charité.

It is established that chronic stress can in general induce and exacerbate changes to the auditory system. They include above all thehypersensitization of auditory perception (hyperacusis), tinnitus, and Menière's disease, a disorder of the inner ear that leads to attacks of rotatory vertigo, one-sided hearing loss, and ringing in the ears.

But how does stress arise? As a rule it develops when people cannot cope with the growing and/or unexpected demands of their environment. They live under constant emotional pressure. The most frequent reaction is to deny any physical risk in an effort to enhance one's own achievement potential and staying power.

The physical effects of stress include increased production of the stress hormone cortisol. This raises the blood sugar level (gluconeogenesis) and intensifies the breakdown of stored fat (lipolysis), as well as protein breakdown (proteolysis), making more energy available. Higher blood pressure, a high pulse rate, and constipation are the result. But the immune system also suffers. Many patients complain of sleeplessness and a lack of appetite, psychomotor disturbances, and growing feelings of anxiety.

According to Professor Birgit Mazurek, "All these stress-induced mental changes can also influence auditory phenomena, leading, for example to the development of tinnitus or the exacerbation of an existing tinnitus. In the ear, cortisol causes a massive release of glutamate into the neurons. This ultimately leads to a greater accumulation of calcium, which damages auditory sensory cells and nerve cells in the ear."

With the "Stress and Tinnitus" project, the Foundation seeks to promote research in this field to develop better individual therapeutic approaches for patients with tinnitus and hyperacusis.

The HEINZ AND HEIDE DÜRR FOUNDATION is contributing € 150,000 over a period of three years to fund the research project."

Here is another study that finds evidence of stress having a direct effect on tinnitus. Again, I will quote some excerpts below, but I highly recommend reading the whole study:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6815/12/4

"We report three novel findings that establish differences between tinnitus participants and controls in terms of cortisol hypersuppression, longer-lasting effects of the DEX test on basal cortisol levels, and hearing discomfort threshold. The first novel finding is that tinnitus participants had more strongly suppressed cortisol levels than controls after pharmacological challenge, despite similar basal cortisol levels. This is consistent with the normal diurnal and blunted response to psychosocial stress in tinnitus participants described in a previous study [23], and supports the hypothesis that tinnitus participants have greater sensitivity to HPA axis negative feedback. Hypersuppression in the presence of normal or near-normal basal cortisol levels has also been found in other clinical populations, such as patients with chronic fatigue syndrome [4547] and burnout [48]. All these findings are consistent with the notion that basal cortisol and post-DEX cortisol suppression are mediated by two separate receptor feedback systems. More importantly, the suppression effect was independent of hearing loss. This is a key finding, because these factors are difficult to disentangle in tinnitus studies [19, 23], and it argues for a true effect of tinnitus in addition to, but unrelated to, hearing loss. Our findings therefore directly link tinnitus to a stress-related disorder, and not just to a hearing-related disorder, as some recent population studies suggest [12, 49].

The second important finding is that tinnitus participants showed a long-lasting carryover effect of cortisol manipulation. They had lower basal cortisol the day after the post-DEX day assessment compared to the two other basal cortisol assessment days, indicating not only cortisol hypersuppression, but also a longer-lasting effect of DEX administration. Although it cannot be excluded that these findings could be related to slower DEX clearance in these patients, this possibility is unlikely, because there is no rationale for altered liver function in this particular group, which moreover did not differ from controls in terms of age, BMI, or physical or mental health. Furthermore, the carryover effect was observed in the tinnitus participants approximately 36 hours after DEX administration, whereas cortisol and DEX levels should return to baseline 24 hours after oral administration of 0.5 mg DEX [50]. A likely interpretation is that the carryover effect might have been due to HPA axis homeostatic vulnerability, and that hypersuppression might have been caused by increased glucocorticoid sensitivity."

"Subjective tinnitus ("tinnitus") is the perception of sound in the ears or head in the absence of an external sound and difficult to treat. Individuals with tinnitus can experience severe emotional distress, depression, anxiety, and insomnia [15]. A recent study in 14,278 adults reported anoverall prevalence of 25.3% for any experience of tinnitus in the previous year and 7.9% for frequent or constant (at least once a day) tinnitus [6]. Prevalence increases with age, peaking at 31.4% and 14.3% from age 60 to 69 years for these two tinnitus frequencies, respectively [6]. The increasing prevalence with age is not surprising, because hearing loss is known to be an associated risk factor for tinnitus [7]. With increasing life expectancy, and because hearing loss and noise exposure are increasingly affecting military personnel [8, 9] and youth [10], tinnitus has become a significant public health issue.

Hearing loss predicts tinnitus presence, but not severity [11, 12]. Conversely, individuals with hearing loss do not necessarily experience tinnitus. There is therefore a need to determine other factors for this debilitating hearing disorder and its consequences for health in order to better prevent and treat it. One likely candidate is stress. Because stress has long been identified as a trigger or co-morbidity of tinnitus, based mainly on anecdotal and retrospective reports, this idea has been taken for granted in classical teachings on tinnitus [13]. In addition, recent large population studies have established that emotional exhaustion and long-term stress are predictors of hearing disorders, including tinnitus [14, 15]. Functional and electroencephalographic brain imaging studies have also shown aberrant links between limbic (involved in emotions) and auditory system structures [1618]. Structural brain differences (i.e., grey matter decrease) in tinnitus involving parts of the limbic system have also been reported. More specifically, less grey matter in the nucleus accumbens [18, 19] and the left hippocampus [20] suggests a depletion that could be related to long-term exposure to stress, among other factors."

"Our findings suggest heightened glucocorticoid sensitivity in tinnitus in terms of an abnormally strong GR-mediated HPA-axis feedback (despite a normal MR-mediated tone) and lower tolerance for sound loudness with suppressed cortisol levels. Long-term stress exposure and its deleterious effects therefore constitute an important predisposing factor for, or a significant pathological consequence of, this debilitating hearing disorder."
 
I'm pretty sick of all of this nonsense. It's just grandstanding. Not really very useful at all, when people just want help. No one in the anti protect group (the self appointed experts) in this forum have actually offered me any advice in any of my posts. I noticed the lack of responses from the "experts", before I starting offering any opposing opinions which seemed to upset at least one vet.

I started this journey by not overprotecting. Why? I had very mild, stable T that was not noise induced or affected by sound. I was kind of habituated from the start, no sleep issues. I simply avoided excessively loud situations, just in case. I followed the 'keep it under 85db' rule as much as is possible in this world- something I had adhered to for many years pre T. I tried to do the right thing and seek help, but was either not helped at all or had things done that made things worse. My trust in the medical profession used to be high, now it's rock bottom.

There were some acoustic events too which I can only put down to wrong place, wrong time or just bad luck. I have ended up with H and peristent TTTS that can be brought on by moderate sounds. Nothing helps it go away except avoiding sounds and maybe prednisolone because it's anti inflammatory (but as I haven't been exposed to loud noise recently it's questionable whether I use the minute dosage prescribed or not - a GP I saw recently thought it was a good idea). There's no significant anxiety, no fear, no negative thoughts. Ignoring it won't make it go away.
Once it flares up my H resets and all my progress is wiped clean. T usually spikes when it happens but not always, although has become wildly unpredictable.

As with Canadaman I started get spikes even briefly walking down a busy street and this was before I ever used ear protection.

I honestly don't think overprotecting should be the way to go and I have still been selective when I actually use protection. Not overboard at all - making sure also to expose to nourishing sounds as much as possible. Yet here I am typing this messaging with one ear seized up in the middle ear area, with hardly any low end and a lovely whooshing/rushing/humming sensation in said ear after a day of normal noise levels (2nd time in a week). I really have to wonder if I had taken the ultra cautious route, whether I could have avoided all of this. Maybe, maybe not... but the only thing to help my ear is being exposed to as little sound as possible till it goes away. Then attempt to rebuild sound tolerance from scratch.

I've never proposed to be an expert and have quite clearly said it's my opinion and people can do as they wish. We all have an opinion when it comes to tinnitus and you have just given yours. I am only here to try and help. I am certainly not 'grandstanding' as you put it which could be equally levelled at you. Every now and then I drop by to see how people are doing because I genuinely care. I'm not bothered about how I'm perceived or if I'm liked or not. The culture of collecting likes - if you'd like to call it that - has no appeal to me whatsoever. A lot of my discussions are by PM anyway.

It's ok to disagree, it's cool, but I often find that people don't want to try. The first step has to come from within which is extremely hard. I've had enough trauma in my life to know how hard it is to scrape yourself up off the floor.
 
@Gman Your post is right on and very well stated. Every word. I agree with every word. I would like to talk to you about any physical or somatic issues that could be present.
 
the protect all the time group, and the protect when necessary group.
I am in the "protect when necessary" group. This group can be further split between
"Let's ignore signals given to us by our bodies, as well as experiences of others and just Assume that what Ought to not change T will not change it"
and
"Listen to the signals given to you by your own body; take into account experiences of others; also take into account the overwhelming cost to you if you give yourself a permanent T spike as well as the benefit (that is likely negligible comparing to that cost, even when the low probability of having to pay the cost is taken into account)"
groups. I am part of the latter group.
In almost every post Bill keeps suggesting that a spike is related to the sound your ears have to deal with, while there are a lot of other factors.
Let's find out, shall we
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/what-is-usually-the-main-cause-of-your-tinnitus-spikes.27378/
Having a spike does NOT always (actually rarely) mean that your haircells or nerves are getting more damaged. It's much more complicated than that.
Nobody knows, right? The hair cells or nerves might not be damaged, but something else get changed in a way that gives you a temporary or a permanent spike. I was sloppy and referred to those changes as "being hurt". I guess this can be justified as long as one is hurt when one's T gets louder.
And there is a lot of evidence that overprotecting leads to H, H leads to spikes.
Most (all?!) of that "evidence" is based on people who didn't make sure to do things like watch TV at the loudest volume they can handle without experiencing any problems. It is easy to avoid H, even when you "protect".
comparing your ears to a broken arm is beyond silly.
Not as silly as getting signals from your body that what you are doing is NOT OK, and totally ignoring those signals.

In other words, if every time you do A, your body is reacting with a spike, you can use this information the same way someone who recently broke an arm would use the signal of pain.
Have you not thought that it is not that simple?
If a stranger tells you that he is going to kill you, it is also Not So Simple. There are countless possibilities where you would be completely safe if you ignore the guy. He could be joking, he might think you are someone else, he might be hallucinating, etc. However, with so much to lose if you get this wrong, it is not a good idea to ignore that thread, it is a good idea to do something about it (e.g., contact police).

There are certain signs that stress can play an important role with tinnitus
Soon, we will be able to use the results of that poll I liked to above, to get a sense of just How important a role it is.
I've never proposed to be an expert and have quite clearly said it's my opinion and people can do as they wish.
Same here!
 
These topics are debated at least once a day and we go through the same scenarios and arguments every time. There's clearly two sides to this forum: the protect all the time group, and the protect when necessary group.

The former believe it's essential that earplugs be worn whilst out and about. This includes: travelling in cars, walking around shopping malls, walking near roads/a city, using public transport, using certain home appliances, any place where doors and other objects could potentially slam together, etc.

The latter believe it's essential to protect your ears around sustained levels of dangerous noise. Such as: nightclubs, loud bars, concerts, parties, sports events, power tools, lawnmowers, motorsports, the theatre/cinema, etc.

Do your own research and come to your own conclusions, because I know from experience that these discussions never end. We start the same debate everytime a new thread begins and the process repeats itself. I'm firmly in the latter camp for various reasons; the others will vehemently disagree.

Look, Ed - My job is to scare people. Your job is to unscare them. May the best man win.
 
I've been going through some bad spikes caused by repeated emotionally stressful physical exertions. There was minimal noise exposure. But maybe it's just me.

Stress/anxiety can bring on some horrible spikes and keep it going. Even if someone protects and over protects their ears, the stress involved can bring on spikes. It's not always the noise that brings on the spikes, the stress/anxiety for sure is a culprit.

Things need to be balanced out or the tinnitus can wreak havoc.....
 
Earplugs are ok indoors..
I wore them as a drummer,
or now when I get disturbed in my forest where it's not scary, just bothersome when I hear people's voices..
Thanks for the good info!
I came here cause I have a sound like water dripping in my head, faster than da heartbeat.. found it quick, thanks!
I wear headphones at minimum volume, and still have a loud hiss right now..
And those Harleys.. @$&holes
Aloha
 
Thanks for the discussion everyone.

It was a loud, rainy windy day in the city. Traffic noise splashing by was loud but I think what really got me might have actually been the wind blasting past my head. Strong wind at certain angles makes a really loud noise in the ear; I didn't really register it at the time because it's never something I thought of as a "real" sound but later I realized that it's actually really loud when you just consider the energy hitting your cochlea.

In any case, I walked through that outside for maybe 15-25 minutes.

It was fine that evening! Tinnitus didn't seem to spike at all.

But the next day, for the first time in months, I had a "morning spike". I woke up to absolutely screaming, whoosing, shimmering, screeching tinnitus. These sounds aren't normal for me; usually my T is relatively mild. I'd had morning T before, a few times in the first month after onset. But not since then. It was really worrying.

As usual, the morning T calmed down within an hour of getting out of bed. But what I'm left with seems to be a persistent whine that is some amount louder than it was before. Though, it's hard to tell, I'm quite afraid I did some long-term damage that day walking outside in the wind.

Over and over I've taken damage from sounds that seemed harmless. Heck, I got my initial tinnitus from a bar where I had a comfortable conversation at 1m distance, not a screaming nightclub or concert. It was within OSHA limits, but it still hurt me, possibly because I was already hurt or because I was on levofloxacin.

All this to say - from here on out I'll be maintaining better earplug discipline, at least for a while.

The good news is that I found the cheap foam earplugs make a lot less occlusion noise than the plastic music-listening ones I was using; the occlusion effect was the main thing that bothered me about earplugs since my own voice would hurt me. Plus, foam is more comfortable than plastic. So I'm pretty comfy wearing earplugs outside now. I'm also experimenting with cutting notches in the back of them to reduce the dB reduction a bit (30+dB is more than necessary and I want to be able to talk to someone with these in).
 
It's been four months since onset, and I've spent lots of time wearing earplugs when I'm outside, but I didn't want to have to do that forever.
The good news is that I found the cheap foam earplugs make a lot less occlusion noise than the plastic music-listening ones I was using; the occlusion effect was the main thing that bothered me about earplugs since my own voice would hurt me. Plus, foam is more comfortable than plastic. So I'm pretty comfy wearing earplugs outside now

Hi @Canadaman

I advise you to try and stop wearing any form of earplugs outside to suppress normal everyday sounds, as soon as possible, because you risk lowering the loudness threshold of your auditory system. This will make your spikes increase and possibly make the tinnitus more intrusive. If you have hyperacusis which seems likely, it's possible to make this worse with the overuse of earplugs. If you haven't read my post: Hyperacusis, As I see it. Please click on the link before as you might find it helpful.

All the best
Michael

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/hyperacusis-as-i-see-it.19174/
 
I actually have no issue with hyperacusis, since a possibly psychosomatic and in any case mild version that ended within 2 weeks after tinnitus onset. In fact very loud sounds don't bother me at all at the moment they're happening. That's why I'm prioritizing protection. I'm watching to see if H rises but it's not.

The sounds in my area might not be "everyday" sounds as most people think of them. I live in the center of one of the biggest commercial districts of one of the world's biggest cities. These streets can get to 80+dB sometimes with multiple giant video screen advertisements blasting away.

In any case, I appreciate the thought and will be vigilant.
 

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