Member- Apr 28, 2021
- 1,881
- Tinnitus Since
- 1999
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Trauma
Suicidal
- Thread starter jeremy06
- Start date
- Oct 19, 2019
- 862
- Tinnitus Since
- 2016/2017/2019
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Unknown
Worst thing is Hyperacousis, cannot even watch normal TV, everything is too loud, everywhere...
Yeah. Yesterday, I read a thread with someone claiming they got a spike from a saline nasal spray.
Maybe some vaccines just have saline in them and then they got a spike (and went back to baseline if lucky). Who knows?
- Oct 31, 2020
- 1,254
- Tinnitus Since
- 9-17-2020
- Cause of Tinnitus
- turning everything up to 11
I was just making a point in the form of a question (and subsequent comments). I think Wrfortiscue 'got it.'
I am depressed as anything but still read up/research on COVID-19 stuff. Yes, as it pertains to tinnitus (and hyperacusis).
There's mixed claims on here of vaccines causing spikes, both permanent and temporary along with it supposedly doing nothing (i.e. no spikes, no worsening). Therefore, there's confusion of what to do or why that is.
I merely suggested an explanation that makes sense to me.
I included a story from a thread - suggesting even a saline solution can cause a *temporary* spike (in the form of nasal saline spray). So, I suggested that some vaccines might have saline in them only - instead of typical vaccine contents. It makes to me, that theory.
If that were true, you might have no effect or a temporary spike. But, my theory is most are harmful with the actual contents. Thus, I recommend people not risk it.
That puts me at odds with most "vaxx people" here including you know who.
I don't do it for my health. I just try to help.
What is to replace it?
Some people do not realize tinnitus is mostly mental, this is the reason treatments like TRT and CBT when done correctly, can be effective in helping people to live with tinnitus.
- Apr 28, 2021
- 1,881
- Tinnitus Since
- 1999
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Trauma
I don't know why people laugh at you when in the past I've created extreme pain just from thinking I had whatever disease (hypochondria) and I've managed to block out tinnitus at times recently by distracting my brain hard enough (truly distracting removing from subconscious as well).
I'm still suffering but I truly believe this journey is indeed mental as well.
A person is entitled to their opinion. If they laugh at the things I say I haven't got a problem with that. They do not understand what I mean and therefore, I will not allow myself to become embroiled in squabbles and petty arguments. They will be given a wide berth.
Whilst I welcome your comments, your interpretation of what I mean isn't quite correct. When I say tinnitus is mostly mental, I do not mean the intensity of the noise is able to be controlled entirely by our thoughts. Although what you have said does have some bearing.
The tinnitus noise is usually an indication that a problem has occurred somewhere within the auditory system. Whether it is noise induced or caused by an underlying medical problem, it is the brain that hears the noise and ultimately, our mental and emotional well-being will be affected by it.
Until a cure for tinnitus is found, some of the best treatments available for it are: hearing aids, sound therapy, medication and counselling. They can be incorporated in TRT or CBT. These treatments cannot do all the work. They need to be reinforced with positive thinking from the patient to achieve maximum results. They are not cures but can help a person to live a better quality of life.
In the case of hyperacusis, wearing white noise generators and having regular counselling can be helpful. Over time the oversensitivity to sound can be reduced and in some cases completely cured.
@Contrast said TRT is outdated. If this is the case, what is in use today to replace it? Tinnitus has been around for centuries and dates back to Ancient Egyptians, when the first medical treatments for it were recorded. The Mesopotamians found benefit chanting a mantra or meditated to help relax the mind and ease the whispering in the ears as it was called.
Michael
- Oct 31, 2020
- 1,254
- Tinnitus Since
- 9-17-2020
- Cause of Tinnitus
- turning everything up to 11
Yea the vaccine feels like Russian roulette. A lot of the terrible symptoms I had from it have calmed down, but it took months and I still don't think I'm 100% recovered from it. But others here haven't been so lucky.
To be fair, TRT is outdated, but I suppose it's good to have the option of something if you are new and suffering. However, are the costs worth it? It's ridiculously expensive for something that doesn't have very good evidence. CBT is a better option if one can find someone who is experienced and doesn't charge the earth. Or, one could buy a book and try some self-therapy.
We should have better treatment options at this point, though. There has to be a drive to push for something that can actually reduce the noise and treat the symptom.
I'm curious as to which thread you believe is "the appropriate" one, for discussion of COVID-19 vaccines, and their safety and efficacy.
Because we are still in a clinical phase. All the major vaccines are still undergoing Phase 3 trials, and you and everyone else who took them are the experimental group. The earliest completion of Phase 3 trials is for Moderna, set for October 27th 2022.
Not at all. Every vaccine has a batch number. If a recipient ends up in hospital or dies, then it is easy to follow up. Not to mention people register their vaccination status now so they can get their cookie... I mean "vaccine passport", making them even easier to trace.
I actually agree with you on this. This could just be another conspiracy theory cooked up by people hoping their decision not to take the vaccine, proved in some way, that they were smarter than everyone else, and that they were destined for "natural selection". No doubt a lot of the anti-COVID-19-vaccine people seem to want the vaccinated to come to a grizzly end so they can say "ha! I was right!". (A lot of the vaccinated want the same thing for the unvaccinated too though, so there's no moral high-ground here).
On the other hand, Pharmaceutical companies are shady as f*ck, and none more so than Pfizer (who has used dozens of shell companies to avoid legal suits over the years) and Bill Gates (a partner of BioNTech, who happily backed the use of experimental vaccines on children in third world countries, causing mass sterilisation). Have a look into those things.
Again, you're right. But in anywhere else but the clown world we are now living in @Kriszti, a new drug would be pulled from the market after just 50 deaths. What we're looking with the COVID-19 vaccines (worldwide) is way over six-figures now.
Here @PeteJ, while I'm not dismissing the placebo theory (that's not what people who like science do), it has it's place amongst all the other theories (as we are currently in an ongoing experiment). But look at these posts by @Matchbox and @K.A.:
Will You Get Vaccinated for Coronavirus (COVID-19)? Can It Make Tinnitus or Hyperacusis Worse? | Page 22 | Tinnitus Talk Support Forum
They both make an extremely good point, that considering how the spike protein works, some people may be getting ill and others not, simply by luck of the draw, regarding how (and by whom) their vaccines are administered.
Add it to the pile.
Attachments
- Feb 25, 2021
- 1,133
- Tinnitus Since
- 01/2020
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Noise
How's it going in the basement with parents above your head...? Is the basement a smelly moist one or nice?
Hugs.
- Feb 11, 2019
- 801
- Tinnitus Since
- 01/2014
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Headcold/Flu
To Michael Leigh:
There appears to be only one practitioner of TRT in the entire Chicago area (which is incredible given that this is the third largest city in the US) who is located in the most out-of-sight wealthy North Shore suburb.
In fact, I am not sure how old this website is, and whether it is still even offered.
And, if in fact they no longer offer it, then how am I supposed to find and get to someone who does?
If this has been demonstrated to be so effective, then why are there not more practitioners in such a large metropolitan area?
No ENT Doctor I have ever seen has recommended or alluded to this in any way.
Are you actually serious about how this entire program could cost in excess of $6,600.00 and take in excess of two years?
I can guarantee you that Medicare and all of the Private Health Insurance Carriers in the US would unconditionally not provide coverage for this.
How many posters on Tinnitus Talk do you think have this kind of discretionary income, outlay of time and capacity for such patience?
Given the cost, scarcity of practitioners, and extensive time commitment isn't it unrealistic to expect anyone to be able to avail themselves of this?
There appears to be only one practitioner of TRT in the entire Chicago area (which is incredible given that this is the third largest city in the US) who is located in the most out-of-sight wealthy North Shore suburb.
In fact, I am not sure how old this website is, and whether it is still even offered.
And, if in fact they no longer offer it, then how am I supposed to find and get to someone who does?
If this has been demonstrated to be so effective, then why are there not more practitioners in such a large metropolitan area?
No ENT Doctor I have ever seen has recommended or alluded to this in any way.
Are you actually serious about how this entire program could cost in excess of $6,600.00 and take in excess of two years?
I can guarantee you that Medicare and all of the Private Health Insurance Carriers in the US would unconditionally not provide coverage for this.
How many posters on Tinnitus Talk do you think have this kind of discretionary income, outlay of time and capacity for such patience?
Given the cost, scarcity of practitioners, and extensive time commitment isn't it unrealistic to expect anyone to be able to avail themselves of this?
All funding to TRT and CBT as "treatments" for tinnitus should be cut immediately, and be redistributed into funding for research into real and upcoming treatments, such as: Xenon Pharmaceuticals reformulation of Retigabine/Trobalt (Xenon Pharmaceutical's XEN1101 — Kv7 Potassium Channel Modulator | Tinnitus Talk Support Forum) and of course, the soon to be released Susan Shore device (New University of Michigan Tinnitus Discovery — Signal Timing | Tinnitus Talk Support Forum).
The list of ventures targeting tinnitus is exciting, but unfortunately is being starved of oxygen by stupidity and complacency, and any tinnitus sufferer endorsing TRT is tantamount to a checkout assistant endorsing self-service shopping.
- Aug 5, 2019
- 1,852
- Tinnitus Since
- 05/2019
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Autoimmune hyperacusis from Sjogren's Syndrome
Omg, please stay the fuck out of the suicidal thread. That's literally all that I ask.
- Feb 11, 2019
- 801
- Tinnitus Since
- 01/2014
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Headcold/Flu
To Damocles:
Excellent analogy in characterizing TRT in relation to the Checkout Assistant vs. Self Service.
The real nature of the proponents of TRT is revealed when they not only want to remain with the checkout assistants, but will argue against replacing them with computerized self-service stations (because, obviously there will no longer be any reason to seek out their "services.")
I regard this as having a salesman in an electronics store recommend a Black and White TV when perhaps in the not-to-distant future he may be getting in a multi-product shipment of flat screen digital Color Units.
Or, as far as I am concerned TRT is equivalent to suddenly not having any electricity
in your home. When you call out the electrician, he says "There's nothing I can do about restoring your power, so why don't you just learn to read until it gets too dark to see?"
Excellent analogy in characterizing TRT in relation to the Checkout Assistant vs. Self Service.
The real nature of the proponents of TRT is revealed when they not only want to remain with the checkout assistants, but will argue against replacing them with computerized self-service stations (because, obviously there will no longer be any reason to seek out their "services.")
I regard this as having a salesman in an electronics store recommend a Black and White TV when perhaps in the not-to-distant future he may be getting in a multi-product shipment of flat screen digital Color Units.
Or, as far as I am concerned TRT is equivalent to suddenly not having any electricity
in your home. When you call out the electrician, he says "There's nothing I can do about restoring your power, so why don't you just learn to read until it gets too dark to see?"
- Apr 28, 2021
- 1,881
- Tinnitus Since
- 1999
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Trauma
I mean you and Damocles aren't wrong. We SHOULD have more available treatments out there, but like you said we don't, and TRT is the next best thing. Not everyone can afford it nor will it work for all, but it's worth a shot if it's an option to someone.
- Feb 11, 2019
- 801
- Tinnitus Since
- 01/2014
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Headcold/Flu
Damocles's very insightful comment about the paucity of funding for tinnitus research is described potently by Dr. Susan Shore when she testified before Congress. She said:
"When you consider that cost ($3 billion in disability payments to tinnitus-afflicted veterans) in comparison to what is being spent on tinnitus research, there is a severe disconnect. Up until very recently the amount of money being spent on tinnitus research was negligible. At the end of 2012, between all private and public funding in the US approximately $10 million was spent on funding research. This is up from a mere $1.5 million in 2005."
For her complete testimony, go to "Dr. Susan E Shore / House Committee on Veterans Affairs."
If you want proof of the incomprehensible ineptitude and financial wastage of the US Government, (and why there is no effective treatment), just consider that they were willing to pay out $3 billion for a condition that they originally funded (the relative pittance) of $1.5 million to find a cure for.
If they had allocated that $3 billion for research, how much closer would we be in having a cure?
"When you consider that cost ($3 billion in disability payments to tinnitus-afflicted veterans) in comparison to what is being spent on tinnitus research, there is a severe disconnect. Up until very recently the amount of money being spent on tinnitus research was negligible. At the end of 2012, between all private and public funding in the US approximately $10 million was spent on funding research. This is up from a mere $1.5 million in 2005."
For her complete testimony, go to "Dr. Susan E Shore / House Committee on Veterans Affairs."
If you want proof of the incomprehensible ineptitude and financial wastage of the US Government, (and why there is no effective treatment), just consider that they were willing to pay out $3 billion for a condition that they originally funded (the relative pittance) of $1.5 million to find a cure for.
If they had allocated that $3 billion for research, how much closer would we be in having a cure?
So, is it better to get jabbed in the right arm or the left arm?
Did you know that an Ontario research team is working towards a COVID-19 nasal spray? Maybe going up your nose is better?
Ask @Matchbox. Maybe he knows?
Tinnitus is a very common condition that many people habituate to within a short space of time. However, it can also be complex, because it comes in different levels of severity and no two people will experience it the same. If a person also has hyperacusis it can complicate matters especially when it is severe. If there are other health conditions affecting the person it compounds the issue even more.
TRT, CBT, medication, sound therapy, counselling, hearing aids may not help everyone with tinnitus but these are the treatments currently available. I welcome any advancement in medicine that will help people to cope better with tinnitus. Some people put all their hopes on new medical research into tinnitus and trials only to feel let down. Whilst it's good to be optimistic, I say if you're having difficulty coping with tinnitus and hyperacusis and self help isn't working, then try and seek some professional help.
Take care,
Michael
Lol. It definitely makes no difference (assuming the theory is correct).
I did know about this, as well as the daily COVID-19 pill that Pfizer is currently in the process of trialling to take alongside their vaccine "booster shots", and their application to administer the vaccine to babies as young as 6 months old.
Pfizer has come out on top here and is looking to make a diabolical sum of money by completely monopolising the COVID-19 board game. Which is interesting because AstraZeneca (one of the big 4) have bucked the trend of being a greedy and cynical pharmaceutical company, and actually demonstrated a modicum of honesty by announcing that "booster shots" are completely unnecessary.
AstraZeneca vaccine designer says Covid boosters are unnecessary for most people & should be sent to countries in need instead — RT UK News
Hence why Pfizer, I believe, will eventually become the sole distributor of (useless and potentially harmful) COVID-19 preventatives and treatments.
I think we both know the answer to this.
Think about cocaine, when you snort it, where does it go? Directly into the bloodstream via blood vessels in the nose. If the Rebel Alliance of anti-COVID-vaccine scientists and doctors are correct, and the spike protein in the vaccines is indeed directly causing: the blood clots, myocarditis and neurological damage we're seeing in some vaccinated, then inhaling the thing is going to cause damage on an unimaginable scale.
At this point you completely eliminate one of the two things pro-COVID-19-vaccine lobbyists were sticking to as a reason that said vaccines were "perfectly safe"; that the spike proteins remain at the site of injection, in the deltoid muscle and lymph nodes. This would totally cut out the middle man (aka. deltoid muscle) and introduce the spike protein directly to the bloodstream, with no obstacle.
I take it you're not fond of @Matchbox then. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Just ask for a placebo lol. No, seriously though, if they were to jab me I would immediately cut off my arm
Then the 2nd shot I'd cut off my other arm... no arms, no more shots, problem solved 
Log in or register to get the full forum benefits!
Similar threads
