Suicidal

[Kriszti]

@Damocles, maybe this one would be more appropriate? And not the Suicidal one:

Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19) and Tinnitus

Are you referring to this trial?

A Study to Evaluate Efficacy, Safety, and Immunogenicity of mRNA-1273 Vaccine in Adults Aged 18 Years and Older to Prevent COVID-19

I agree that how the public will react to the vaccines will have meaningful information going forward, but placebo groups and experimental groups probably are restricted to participants who are actually enrolled in trials. In that sense that's easier to track how the vaccines work, because it gives researchers opportunity to compare groups with comparable features and analyze their progression. That must be much more troublesome with the general public.

Well, ok. It is doable to trace everyone who got the vaccines, but mainly for hospitalization and death, I doubt that every sore arm, fever, or headache would be followed through batch numbers and so on. Many people don't even report mildish side effects. And Pete, maybe he was joking, said that lack of reactions of Dan's mom means that she got lucky and probably had the placebo.

I'll look into the things you said about Pharma companies, thanks.

We live in strange times, you are right, but I guess in emergency use, benefits of the vaccines still probably outweigh the risk of death caused by COVID-19. Maybe in a couple of years we will have more definitive answers.

So another reason to not off ourselves because of tinnitus to have the chance to "know the truth" about these lovely times in hindsight. (Sorry for being a bit morbid, having a shitty day.)

 

[Wrfortiscue]

Lol. It definitely makes no difference (assuming the theory is correct).

I did know about this, as well as the daily COVID-19 pill that Pfizer is currently in the process of trialling to take alongside their vaccine "booster shots", and their application to administer the vaccine to babies as young as 6 months old.

Pfizer has come out on top here and is looking to make a diabolical sum of money by completely monopolising the COVID-19 board game. Which is interesting because AstraZeneca (one of the big 4) have bucked the trend of being a greedy and cynical pharmaceutical company, and actually demonstrated a modicum of honesty by announcing that "booster shots" are completely unnecessary.

AstraZeneca vaccine designer says Covid boosters are unnecessary for most people & should be sent to countries in need instead — RT UK News

Hence why Pfizer, I believe, will eventually become the sole distributor of (useless and potentially harmful) COVID-19 preventatives and treatments.

I think we both know the answer to this.

Think about cocaine, when you snort it, where does it go? Directly into the bloodstream via blood vessels in the nose. If the Rebel Alliance of anti-COVID-vaccine scientists and doctors are correct, and the spike protein in the vaccines is indeed directly causing: the blood clots, myocarditis and neurological damage we're seeing in some vaccinated, then inhaling the thing is going to cause damage on an unimaginable scale.

At this point you completely eliminate one of the two things pro-COVID-19-vaccine lobbyists were sticking to as a reason that said vaccines were "perfectly safe"; that the spike proteins remain at the site of injection, in the deltoid muscle and lymph nodes. This would totally cut out the middle man (aka. deltoid muscle) and introduce the spike protein directly to the bloodstream, with no obstacle.

I take it you're not fond of @Matchbox then. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I only see Trump supporters and anti-vaxxers dying on Facebook news. Don't support Trump and talk good about vaccines and you'll live problem solved. You're at 50% protection lol.

 

[Exit]

Just ask for a placebo lol. No, seriously though, if they were to jab me I would immediately cut off my arm Then the 2nd shot I'd cut off my other arm... no arms, no more shots, problem solved

I like your style broh!

 

[Damocles]

@Damocles, maybe this one would be more appropriate? And not the Suicidal one:

Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19) and Tinnitus

LOL @Kriszti! Well I'll concede, it is quite absurd that the vaccine debate has now spilled into this part of Tinnitus Talk.

If ever there were an inappropriate thread for such a thing, the Suicidal thread is definitely it.

I, however, am simply responding to what I identify as misinformation wherever it randomly pops up, and not really paying much attention to the thread titles anymore.

Still, I can only imagine how bizarre it must be if you're actually feeling suicidal with tinnitus at the moment, and then you enter this thread to find all this vaccine madness up in your face.

If/when I respond, I'll do so in the thread you linked there.

Apologies to everyone who is genuinely struggling right now.

 

[MissYouSilence]

After those many months I hoped I would be able to write a success story.

But no, I have no improvement since then. Ear discomfort is always there. The pain is still there, although it sometimes dissappears for a few hours. The many different tones are there.

Noises that people make are very uncomfortable and make the various tinnitus more apparent. Masking does not work at all and increase the discomfort. Wearing ear protections is not a relief as it did when I had mild tinnitus because the brain noises become very loud and they are very unpleasant.

Self-pity is pointless but I feel completely hopeless at this point. The worse part of it is that I did it to myself.

 

[PeteJ]

Tinnitus is a very common condition that many people habituate to within a short space of time. However, it can also be complex, because it comes in different levels of severity and no two people will experience it the same. If a person also has hyperacusis it can complicate matters especially when it is severe. If there are other health conditions affecting the person it compounds the issue even more.

TRT, CBT, medication, sound therapy, counselling, hearing aids may not help everyone with tinnitus but these are the treatments currently available. I welcome any advancement in medicine that will help people to cope better with tinnitus. Some people put all their hopes on new medical research into tinnitus and trials only to feel let down. Whilst it's good to be optimistic, I say if you're having difficulty coping with tinnitus and hyperacusis and self help isn't working, then try and seek some professional help.

Take care,
Michael

You sound like a physician giving the message, "you have to learn to live with it."

To that I say, *expletive, expletive.*

The only hope for severe tinnitus is some miracle cure/treatment and no, I don't think that's coming anytime soon.

Also, to the comments about COVID-19/vaccines coming into this thread.

You can be assured that Healthcare funding is moving away from tinnitus treatments and research to COVID-19 funding.

So, your suicidal thoughts won't change any time soon.

 

[Kriszti]

You can be assured that Healthcare funding is moving away from tinnitus treatments and research to COVID-19 funding.

I'm not very hopeful to be honest, but COVID-19 can also cause tinnitus and wide range of neurological issues, so maybe we can profit a little bit from that research as well. Fingers crossed.

 

[Michael Leigh]

You sound like a physician giving the message, "you have to learn to live with it."

I am not a physician and have no intention of trying to sound like one. I am someone like others in this forum that has experience with tinnitus. If I were a physician and didn't have tinnitus, then I wouldn't have the faintest idea what tinnitus is like to live with, or able to give advice to anyone having difficulty coping with it.

Michael

 

[PeteJ]

I'm not very hopeful to be honest, but COVID-19 can also cause tinnitus and wide range of neurological issues, so maybe we can profit a little bit from that research as well. Fingers crossed.

Incorrect.

Anyway, the $ is going into COVID-19, not researching treatment or cures for tinnitus as I said. My point remains.

 

[PeteJ]

Can you get tinnitus from a cold?

Does it spike from colds/flu (already have tinnitus, get a cold and it spikes)?

I believe I had only one bad cold after getting tinnitus. I got tinnitus in February 2019 and a cold in the early spring. My tinnitus spiked or intensified. But, it also goes extra haywire when I get a headache.

 

[Exit]

Can you get tinnitus from a cold?

Does it spike from colds/flu (already have tinnitus, get a cold and it spikes)?

I believe I had only one bad cold after getting tinnitus. I got tinnitus in February 2019 and a cold in the early spring. My tinnitus spiked or intensified. But, it also goes extra haywire when I get a headache.

Sounds very familiar to others here :/

 

[Óscar PP]

Every virus can give you tinnitus if it's able to infect and destroy your stereocilia.

The most common and documented ones are Measles virus, VZV, CMV, EBV, Ebola and all the famous coronaviruses (Sars1 & 2, MERS, etc).

 

[AfroSnowman]

Every virus can give you tinnitus if it's able to infect and destroy your stereocilia.

The most common and documented ones are Measles virus, VZV, CMV, EBV, Ebola and all the famous coronaviruses (Sars1 & 2, MERS, etc).

If you get viral damage, how does it normally appear on your audiogram? Bilateral, unilateral, symmetrical, sloping or notched?

 

[Óscar PP]

If you get viral damage, how does it normally appear on your audiogram? Bilateral, unilateral, symmetrical, sloping or notched?

Viruses normally reach your inner ear through the Eustachian tubes, and the damage is almost always bilateral.

 

[Ava Lugo]

@HootOwl, I got a question, do you still hear distortions in things?

 

[jasonbourne]

I was listening to an old soundtrack I used to listen to a lot a year or so back, there are higher pitched tones in the background that added a lot. Guess what? I can barely hear them anymore. I think this is a sign to check out. I've been super careful and it seems my hearing just keeps getting worse and my tinnitus louder. Even got one of those Chinese ear cameras to check for wax, it's clear.

I'm done with this simulation. Get me out.

 

[InfiniteLoop]

Most of the people in this thread are very depressed. We know that there is basically nothing that will treat the root cause that is tinnitus, but the depression can be treated better than the noise. Start working on that problem, and the noise will be more bearable. Sorry that I can not give better advice after being in this hell for more that seven years. Let the noise be part of you, let it be your soundtrack, and let it be your lullaby.

 

[jasonbourne]

Let the noise be part of you, let it be your soundtrack, and let it be your lullaby.

That would be fine if it stayed the same. We all know it gradually gets worse. As you get older, it's guaranteed to get worse. You can't accept something that keeps changing. Especially if it changes on a daily basis which happens for most of us. I don't know of a single day where my tinnitus volume was consistent.

 

[tpj]

Let the noise be part of you, let it be your soundtrack, and let it be your lullaby.

That's one painful lullaby.

 

[Gee82]

Most of the people in this thread are very depressed. We know that there is basically nothing that will treat the root cause that is tinnitus, but the depression can be treated better than the noise. Start working on that problem, and the noise will be more bearable. Sorry that I can not give better advice after being in this hell for more that seven years. Let the noise be part of you, let it be your soundtrack, and let it be your lullaby.

With all respect, I couldn't disagree more.

 

[Gabriel5050]

Today was a very bad day for me. Worse than usual. On top of tinnitus and hyperacusis, I also had an argument with my family.

It's like they yell at me because they know it hurts me. It's a sort of fight I can't win. I'm practically too disabled by this condition. They don't even have any remorse for hurting me. They even become physically aggressive hitting me if they can't find an argument to counter mine. It's not even the first time it happened. I'm better off killing myself than live a life where I have no one to turn to and in a world I can't survive because of tinnitus and hyperacusis.

 

[Stacken77]

Today was a very bad day for me. Worse than usual. On top of tinnitus and hyperacusis, I also had an argument with my family.

It's like they yell at me because they know it hurts me. It's a sort of fight I can't win. I'm practically too disabled by this condition. They don't even have any remorse for hurting me. They even become physically aggressive hitting me if they can't find an argument to counter mine. It's not even the first time it happened. I'm better off killing myself than live a life where I have no one to turn to and in a world I can't survive because of tinnitus and hyperacusis.

That's so damn sad and cruel, I'm so sorry.

Would I not had the support I had, I don't know if I would have survived this trying time. It's so though and stressful, and I know the feeling of getting perpetually worse.

You don't have to share, but why does arguments arise? Is it due to the tinnitus and hyperacusis?

I'm thinking about you a lot Gabriel,
Stacken

 

[TheDanishGirl]

Most of the people in this thread are very depressed. We know that there is basically nothing that will treat the root cause that is tinnitus, but the depression can be treated better than the noise. Start working on that problem, and the noise will be more bearable. Sorry that I can not give better advice after being in this hell for more that seven years. Let the noise be part of you, let it be your soundtrack, and let it be your lullaby.

You've never heard of pain hyperacusis, I take it?

 

[InfiniteLoop]

That would be fine if it stayed the same. We all know it gradually gets worse. As you get older, it's guaranteed to get worse. You can't accept something that keeps changing. Especially if it changes on a daily basis which happens for most of us. I don't know of a single day where my tinnitus volume was consistent.

My tinnitus is very variable in tones and loudness. It is an added challenge. My hearing has degraded further since onset seven years ago and the tinnitus has stayed about the same.

 

[Stacken77]

You've never heard of pain hyperacusis, I take it?

I think the original post was meant to address tinnitus alone. If it doesn't straight up perpetually worsen, then the advice given is very true.

Sensitivity to sound in its many manifestations and severities are just another beast. Words cannot describe how cruel it can be when its true wrath manifest.

I usually try to maintain a very positive outlook on things, but the above is just the plain truth about hyperacusis.

Stacken

 

[Gabriel5050]

@Stacken77, there's multiple reasons for arguments. I try to avoid most of them. I don't feel comfortable sharing all the causes, but some of them are from me not being able to take care of myself or my parents in the future; or me getting distressed by them being loud because "the world is loud anyway and what are you gonna about it?".

 

[Chinmoku]

Today was a very bad day for me. Worse than usual. On top of tinnitus and hyperacusis, I also had an argument with my family.

It's like they yell at me because they know it hurts me. It's a sort of fight I can't win. I'm practically too disabled by this condition. They don't even have any remorse for hurting me. They even become physically aggressive hitting me if they can't find an argument to counter mine. It's not even the first time it happened. I'm better off killing myself than live a life where I have no one to turn to and in a world I can't survive because of tinnitus and hyperacusis.

I have the same problem with my kids, I asked them not to shout many times but they forget and when they are angry with me they shout. It's a nightmare. Similarly with my ex. My brother is the only one who got it but he doesn't know how bad it is. Only some people here understand this ever worsening torture. I understand your feelings.

 

[jasonbourne]

My tinnitus is very variable in tones and loudness. It is an added challenge. My hearing has degraded further since onset seven years ago and the tinnitus has stayed about the same.

So even you haven't accepted your lullaby since you're still fighting it, so why do you advise others to? Accept means to accept your fate, not to accept your tinnitus tones since it's never consistent.

BTW your advice of accepting tinnitus definitely works for mild cases, but most of us here are in the moderate-severe group with multiple varying tones. That advice doesn't work anymore. Accepting your fate, is more honest.

 

[fishbone]

Today was a very bad day for me. Worse than usual. On top of tinnitus and hyperacusis, I also had an argument with my family.

It's like they yell at me because they know it hurts me. It's a sort of fight I can't win. I'm practically too disabled by this condition. They don't even have any remorse for hurting me. They even become physically aggressive hitting me if they can't find an argument to counter mine. It's not even the first time it happened. I'm better off killing myself than live a life where I have no one to turn to and in a world I can't survive because of tinnitus and hyperacusis.

I am so so sorry that you deal with this. I truly understand how you feel and what you are going through. My family and friends (that I do not see anymore) were not taking my ringing as a serious thing. They would just carry on and Ignore my situation. They would turn up the stereo, talk loud and have no care at all about the ringing. I have had to make a lot of adjustments in my life and I am still doing it.

I try my best to educate people on what I face 24/7, If they care, then great. If not, then I will not be around them.

 

[InfiniteLoop]

So even you haven't accepted your lullaby since you're still fighting it, so why do you advise others to? Accept means to accept your fate, not to accept your tinnitus tones since it's never consistent.

BTW your advice of accepting tinnitus definitely works for mild cases, but most of us here are in the moderate-severe group with multiple varying tones. That advice doesn't work anymore. Accepting your fate, is more honest.

My initial advice was about treating the depression that is the common denominator of this thread (as much as is tinnitus). Acceptance is a personal subject, and it is very common that one can accept the tinnitus intellectually, but not accepting it emotionally.

About my personal tale, I will never be a success story, the tinnitus still really affects me, but after 7.5 years I am still alive and kicking. Very slow habituation is my fate and curse.