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Yawn... petty American politics and tribalism rearing its ugly head here. This kind of division and distrust is exactly what Putin and the Kremlin love btw.
It's good to see that we at least have bipartisanship support (in both chambers) for Ukraine and assisting them against evil.
I saw it play out in the earlier parts of the war on social media from many far left groups. First it was "it's inevitable, Ukraine should quit", then it was "but Ukraine have a Nazi inspired patch', implying justification for war. Last I recalled, now it seems to be a mixture of whataboutism (to the surprise of no one) and 'capitulation to nuclear brinkmanship'. The goal posts kept moving.
But not to take away from your point @Lane because you're also correct. MAGA people are very gullible and eat up Russian propaganda whole. Because of the disinformation campaigns being constantly run on the country (by the likes of Paul Manafort and Tucker Carlson), many MAGA Republicans will view Ukraine with disdain. The "Hunter Biden corruption' comes to mind or Ukraine being a "Hotbed of Nazis" too. I've also seen far-right nut cases who believe the aid we give is not actually aid, but is instead being laundered by Zelensky and being sent back to the Democrat's bank accounts in the form of campaign donations and bribes. No, I'm not joking.
Then you have those conservatives who are always complaining about funding. They are pissed that "their tax dollars" are being used to provide aid to Ukraine and they believe that the aid is directly contributing to inflation which is obviously not true because that's not how inflation works.
There has been an ongoing effort from Tucker Carlson and other propaganda machines to turn the tide of public opinion against Ukraine but fortunately it's not working. Older neoconservative types (who are increasingly winning out) are actually pro Ukraine and recognize it's good foreign policy to send Ukraine aid.
You missed the point. Anytime we come up with policy proposals that attempts to improve quality of life for middle and low working class Americans, it's always met with opposition. Whether it's student loan relief, universal healthcare, or UBI, there's always some kind of resistance. But now we have people saying we should be using this money that's being sent to Ukraine to help Americans instead. Hypocritical to the max.Forcing people who did not go to college, or struggled to pay the cost of it themselves, to pay for others' college loans, is totally wrong and I hope it never happens. It was just another undoable promise that Biden used, to gain support.
It's good to see that we at least have bipartisanship support (in both chambers) for Ukraine and assisting them against evil.
You might want to look at how much money the US spends on the military per year (regardless if there's any ongoing conflict), and how much of it actually gets used. Also, the US military-industrial complex has barely spun up for the Ukraine war. So far, it's mainly been just spares and near end of life equipment and supplies that are being sent. This 'at the expense of the American taxpayer' talking point is a weak argument especially in the midst of this aggressive invasion. The US has always been the single biggest military spender in the world year after year.The War Industry will profit, at the expense of the American taxpayers, and the dead soldiers and civilians killed in Ukraine.
@Lane, there's manipulation (in support of Russia) happening on both ideological extremes I'm afraid. It's not only MAGA Republicans being manipulated and having their confirmation biases confirmed by Russian propaganda, but also extreme leftists, tankies, and anti western dipshits as well. Tankies straight up love anyone who is in opposition to US military interests. They will find any reason to support other nation's aggression if it makes us uncomfortable, because to them they believe America is the greatest evil in the world. They have a habit of supporting authoritative regimes associated with Marxism-Leninism or Maoism.Hi @xyz -- The primary reason I've been able to discern is because of Russia's wide-ranging propaganda machine(s) targeting MAGA Republicans, mostly on social media. They're really not very smart, and (probably) don't realize how they're being manipulated. However, they may know, and don't care, because it suits their narrative in some manner. It all strikes me as a freakin' freak show!
I saw it play out in the earlier parts of the war on social media from many far left groups. First it was "it's inevitable, Ukraine should quit", then it was "but Ukraine have a Nazi inspired patch', implying justification for war. Last I recalled, now it seems to be a mixture of whataboutism (to the surprise of no one) and 'capitulation to nuclear brinkmanship'. The goal posts kept moving.
But not to take away from your point @Lane because you're also correct. MAGA people are very gullible and eat up Russian propaganda whole. Because of the disinformation campaigns being constantly run on the country (by the likes of Paul Manafort and Tucker Carlson), many MAGA Republicans will view Ukraine with disdain. The "Hunter Biden corruption' comes to mind or Ukraine being a "Hotbed of Nazis" too. I've also seen far-right nut cases who believe the aid we give is not actually aid, but is instead being laundered by Zelensky and being sent back to the Democrat's bank accounts in the form of campaign donations and bribes. No, I'm not joking.
Then you have those conservatives who are always complaining about funding. They are pissed that "their tax dollars" are being used to provide aid to Ukraine and they believe that the aid is directly contributing to inflation which is obviously not true because that's not how inflation works.
There has been an ongoing effort from Tucker Carlson and other propaganda machines to turn the tide of public opinion against Ukraine but fortunately it's not working. Older neoconservative types (who are increasingly winning out) are actually pro Ukraine and recognize it's good foreign policy to send Ukraine aid.