Why Do Some People Hate Bill Bauer?

[Gman]

I mean no disresec


Beautifully said @Samantha R if I may say so. I hope the author of this thread reads your post as he's lost the plot completely

You obviously haven't read what he has written.

 

[AZeurotuner]

You call it a fallacy without addressing all of the evidence I produced of people who get better when they are able to stay away from noise, and who get worse after being exposed to noise.

Sorry, it is getting late in the Pacific Time Zone, so I will be unavailable for a while.

All you have is anecdotal evidence, you tend to rely on it quite frequently to bolster your claims. You know what I tend to rely on? Scientific evidence... Until a report is released proving a correlation between avoiding all loud noise (even with hearing protection), and tinnitus fading away, all you will is stories Bill. When's the last time you read a medical article or report that sourced an internet forum as a reference?

 

[Julien87]

The "Hall of Fame" plaque is not given on the basis of the sheer volume of posts, it is given on the basis of the number of positive ratings (e.g., the number of useful/informative ratings).

Bill, let's be honest, eveytime you argue with someone on this issue it is your detractor who has all the Agree mentions. You just cumulated a lot of them little by little because you post thousands and thousands of messages.

 

[Bill Bauer]

When's the last time you read a medical article or report that sourced an internet forum as a reference?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_report

A case report is generally considered a type of anecdotal evidence.[2] Given their intrinsic methodological limitations, including lack of statistical sampling, case reports are placed at the foot of the hierarchy of clinical evidence, together with case series.[3] Nevertheless, case reports do have genuinely useful roles in medical research and evidence-based medicine.[4] In particular, they have facilitated recognition of new diseases and adverse effects of treatments.
...
Proponents of case reports have outlined some particular advantages of the format. Case reports and series have a high sensitivity for detecting novelty and therefore remain one of the cornerstones of medical progress; they provide many new ideas in medicine.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Bill, let's be honest, eveytime you argue with someone on this issue it is your detractor who has all the Agree mentions.

I haven't been counting/looking at the number of Agree mentions of my detractors. Even if they get more than me, we are talking about me getting three "agree" vs my detractors getting four "agree". This is not statistically significant. I feel bad about my detractors and for people who agree with them. I believe that many of them need to prove to themselves that they haven't screwed up their own chances of recovery.

Let's be honest - I am the one who is providing all of the evidence (albeit "case report" type of evidence), and my detractors are just providing their opinions.

 

[AZeurotuner]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_report

Key word, "case report"... These are published by doctors regarding patients that are under THEIR care, and I personally have never seen a case report used as a reference in anything I've read concerning medical treatments for tinnitus. Are you going to tell me now that you personally evaluated each one of these individuals, recommend a course of action, ensured that each was following the same treatment plan, monitored their progress and conducted a second evaluation after said treatment plan? No you just pieced together some forum posts.

 

[Julien87]

Let's be honest - I am the one who is providing all of the evidence (albeit "case report" type of evidence), and my detractors are just providing their opinions.

The problem is that this "evidence" is only evidence for you Bill.
It's a complexe matter we know very little about, it is not wise to assert one thing or the other based on some specific cases you find here.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Bill, let's be honest, eveytime you argue with someone on this issue it is your detractor who has all the Agree mentions. You just cumulated a lot of them little by little because you post thousands and thousands of messages.

I love it how you make this comment in This thread, where it is GMan, Jazzer, Threefirefour, Foliefortuna, and me (5 people) versus
AZeurotuner, Fishbone, Michael Leigh, and you (4 people).

 

[Julien87]

Good that you love it. I was more thinking about past discussions, you and Ed for example.

 

[Liam_Cairns]

Its funny cause if I had listened to someone like Bill when I first got tinnitus, I would still have mild tinnitus. Being cautious would have saved my life, but I was bullied by audiologists into thinking I was wrong, I should have listened to my body.

 

[foliefortuna]

@AZeurotuner what has Bill Bauer said that is so unreasonable? All I have seen him say is to avoid vacuum cleaners, blenders, and concerts. That seems fine to me.

 

[glynis]

Why Do Some People Hate Bill Bauer?

A Bit of a silly thread!
But hey! You asked
I love everybody ♡♡♡♡
Love glynis x

 

[Bill Bauer]

It's a complexe matter we know very little about, it is not wise to assert one thing or the other based and the specific cases you find here.

So, your advice is to ignore all of the information that one finds here, right?

Ok, I give up. I had already addressed the above multiple times, and I can't do this any longer.

It is 2 am around here. Perhaps I will have more energy tomorrow, but I doubt it.

 

[Julien87]

The information you find here is interesting of course, but it does not give you the big picture.

 

[Julien87]

Its funny cause if I had listened to someone like Bill when I first got tinnitus, I would still have mild tinnitus. Being cautious would have saved my life, but I was bullied by audiologists into thinking I was wrong, I should have listened to my body.

Well I think most people here see micro suction as something dangerous.

 

[Julien87]

@AZeurotuner what has Bill Bauer said that is so unreasonable? All I have seen him say is to avoid vacuum cleaners, blenders, and concerts. That seems fine to me.

Blenders and concerts in the same sentence. Seriously, is it the same level of risk for you?

 

[Gman]

If I had followed the advice from audiologists and many people on here then I would be MUCH worse off than I am now - which isn't good but not catastrophic.

My non sound induced T has worsened in the almost 2 years since onset despite doing my best to not worsen it. Maybe I'm just unlucky in getting hit by loud unexpected sounds and now even some moderate sounds make it react in a bad bad way. I can't definitively say what I have because no one could be bothered to check, yet they happily take money.

I started out more easy going about it and it got me nowhere. I didn't invest in ear protection until a year into it because I just avoided the places that experts advised could make it worse. I just lived a mostly normal as-quiet-as-possible life.

I still go to work, still go places and spend time with my family but it's different now. There are bigger risks now than before and it's always in the back of my mind. No amount of positive thinking changes that.

We all have to do what we can to make sure we don't end up worse. Making drastic lifestyle changes is necessary. Stop deluding yourselves that everything is still normal. I've learnt the hard way to be more careful, despite not partaking in risky activities. The medical nitwits are not always right and can/do make things worse - they don't know best and mostly do not care.

@Bill Bauer has offered some of the best advice out of anyone here, even if I haven't adopted all his practices (probably to my detriment). Sorry if that hurts some veterans egos. Being ultra cautious is the only way to be now and maybe, just maybe, things might get better or just stabilise.

 

[Julien87]

If I had followed the advice from audiologists and many people on here then I would be MUCH worse off than I am now - which isn't good but not catastrophic.

How can you tell?

 

[AZeurotuner]

@AZeurotuner what has Bill Bauer said that is so unreasonable? All I have seen him say is to avoid vacuum cleaners, blenders, and concerts. That seems fine to me.

There's a thread were bill wished a permanent spike on a member so he would learn his lesson. The member had attended a dance recital at his school (not a concert or a night club) and had also worn earplugs, he was worried that he had a spike, this is the "support" he received from Bill. There's another thread where Bill says he feels sorry for people that want/have girlfriends and states, (very crudely) that women are worthless. This is the Bill Bauer that I know... A lonely, misogynistic, paranoid, socially maladjusted man who believes that even with hearing protection, one should abstain from even moderate noises. Wear your ear plugs and life your life.

 

[Liam_Cairns]

Well I think most people here see micro suction as something dangerous.

Not Michael Leigh, whose article on Microsuction and Irrigation is one of the first things that comes up. And in that he basically dismisses its risks and deems as being completely safe as long as you use olive oil drops lmao. If only i had given into my anxiety and dug deeper instead of taking the word of someone who belives headphones are the devil but everything else is 100% safe.

 

[Liam_Cairns]

Well I think most people here see micro suction as something dangerous.

Additionally, every audiologist I ever saw recommended this procedure to me when I told them I had tinnitus as they said syringing would make it worse. The only one who has questioned it was the one who I am currently seeing.

 

[Liam_Cairns]

Well I think most people here see micro suction as something dangerous.

So keep your victim blaming to yourself thx

 

[Julien87]

one more maybe?

 

[Gman]

How can you tell?

Because I did follow their advice and I got worse. For example, you just need to avoid 85db and up sounds. WRONG.

 

[Liam_Cairns]

one more maybe?

What is your problem, seriously? You have no idea what it is like to have tinnitus inflicted upon you by someone else, you have no idea how helpless it makes you feel. I often feel like suicide is the only thing that will give me a feeling a control over my life once again. I spent years protecting my ears and all for nothing because I was told to stop being "paranoid", you absolute garbage human being. I am litearlly 23 years old and have tinnitus I can hear everywhere except the shower. You literally have no idea what that feels like.

 

[Gman]

There's a thread were bill wished a permanent spike on a member so he would learn his lesson. The member had attended a dance recital at his school (not a concert or a night club) and had also worn earplugs, he was worried that he had a spike, this is the "support" he received from Bill. There's another thread where Bill says he feels sorry for people that want girlfriends and states, (very crudely) that women are worthless. This is the Bill Bauer that I know... A lonely, misogynistic, paranoid, socially maladjusted man who believes that even with hearing protection, one should abstain from even moderate noises. Wear your ear plugs and life your life.

You're taking things too literally dude. Hah.

 

[Julien87]

What is your problem, seriously? You have no idea what it is like to have tinnitus inflicted upon you by someone else

Definitely.. Looks like you know me well.
I did not judge your decision to try micro suction, no need to be so agressive.

 

[Samantha R]

@Bill Bauer
I respect each person's opinion and choices on how to manage their tinnitus.... after all, it is the individual who must live with the noise.
I was making a general comment, more in respect of the previous responses on the thread, not on you.
You have some views that I don't necessarily agree with (namely in relation to children), but as I said above, each to their own and as long as no harm is done then I have no problem.

I do believe the key to my habituation has been letting go of the stress and fear of sound and be sensible and prepared. I have three very young children prone to screaming and crying and noise is a part of my life whether I like it or not.

I am aware, but not obsessed.

I see you've had worsenings from incidents so I understand your caution. My tinnitus has been stable for at least a year now, and never worsened from a noise exposure (not that I've really had anything significant).

As I said, almost every adult in the world would have some level of damage to their hearing, and given that tinnitus may also manifest itself due to other reasons than noise exposure, we can't live in fear of worsening our tinnitus by living our life.

It's all about balance.

I also think the thread really wasn't started well. I don't think "hate" is the right word to use, probably more "disagree".
You've also helped and supported a lot of people and for that I certainly commend you.

 

[Chris Holland]

That's the life that you advocate Bill, of course it's entirely your prerogative to live that way, but pushing that lifestyle on desperate and vulnerable individuals isn't right. Especially considering that the "hall of fame" plaque next to your name gives people the impression that you're here to guide them in the proper direction.

I could not agree more.

 

[Rohit Saluja]

I am with bill