Why Do Some People Hate Bill Bauer?

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#61
This is a great thread. Seriously, very honest and it gets to the core of many of my concerns. There seems to be different factions on this site. You have veterans who think they know it all and aren't afraid to give their opinion (some quite condescendingly), yet they don't have it all worked out. If they did then why do many still take meds or are still on this site, instead of living their "normal" lives?

So what if @Bill Bauer has a different approach? Why is that threatening to many? He's advocating caution, which is a good thing, right? Hint: the answer is 'yes'. Maybe his approach can actually help some people? If you read negativity in what he says, it says to me that you are actually negative.
 
#62
So what if @Bill Bauer has a different approach?
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No problem about that. People seeing him as "the guru who speaks the truth" is quite problematic though ^^ His advice have been harmful for some people. I have read several comments about it in the chat and on the forum. If in your case they helped, that's great.
 
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AZeurotuner said:
Key word, "case report"... These are published by doctors regarding patients that are under THEIR care, and I personally have never seen a case report used as a reference in anything I've read concerning medical treatments for tinnitus. Are you going to tell me now that you personally evaluated each one of these individuals, recommend a course of action, ensured that each was following the same treatment plan, monitored their progress and conducted a second evaluation after said treatment plan? No you just pieced together some forum posts.
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Damn, guess that's game, set and match ... ouch
 
#64
Julien87 said:
No problem about that. People seeing him as "the guru who speaks the truth" is quite problematic though ^^ His advice have been harmful for some people. I have read several comments about it in the chat and on the forum. If in your case they helped, that's great.
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Nope. I don't think he has ever made himself out to be a guru at all.
He just says what he feels is correct. Not just regurgitating what audiologists have said like others do. They're the pretend gurus wanna-bes
 
#66
I think no good will come of this thread on a tinnitus support forum.
One of the forum rules is not make it personal .
This thread is making it personal and not a thread for help in the support section ☹☹☹
 
#67
glynis said:
I think no good will come of this thread on a tinnitus support forum.
One of the forum rules is not make it personal .
This thread is making it personal and not a thread for help in the support section ☹☹☹
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Well i think @Bill Bauer should continue to be supportive as he has always been. His point of view is refreshing for this place and i consider it helpful.
 
#68
glynis said:
I think no good will come of this thread on a tinnitus support forum.
One of the forum rules is not make it personal .
This thread is making it personal and not a thread for help in the support section ☹☹☹
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You are very right Glynis, what should not be overlooked though is the reason why this thread has been created.

It clearly shows there is a rather large following and sub-sequential opposition to Bill's views which many on this forum take to heart. His views in my opinion lack any substantial backing as so eloquently explained by @AZeurotuner and have a strong (and perhaps undesirable) influence on this forum.

Leading a life of social isolation deprived from sound and in perpetual anxiety is not healthy, damaging your ears by recklessly exposing yourself to loud sounds is not either. The key is moderation.

What sounds one can tolerate or not is very specific per individual case and seeing as Bill hands out generalised advice left and right it might be a good question to ask if this is in fact helpful on a ''support'' forum as it can also cause harm to people's (mental) wellbeing. If the advice works for some that is great however I believe it to cause more harm than good as his advice feeds of anxiety, paranoia and fear of a already incredibly difficult ailment.
 
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Gman said:
This is a great thread. Seriously, very honest and it gets to the core of many of my concerns. There seems to be different factions on this site. You have veterans who think they know it all and aren't afraid to give their opinion (some quite condescendingly), yet they don't have it all worked out. If they did then why do many still take meds or are still on this site, instead of living their "normal" lives?

So what if @Bill Bauer has a different approach? Why is that threatening to many? He's advocating caution, which is a good thing, right? Hint: the answer is 'yes'. Maybe his approach can actually help some people? If you read negativity in what he says, it says to me that you are actually negative.
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Using that logic Bill doesn't have it "all worked out either"... He has more posts than many and in a very short period of time. I personally am still working through a nasty increase T I got a little while back, which is how I found my way onto the forum. This came from recklessness combined with a car accident, you don't need to live the Bauer way to avoid it getting worse. Just protect your ears within reason... I actually drove my buddies single turbo ls1 swapped 300zx yesterday (quite loud), I had a great time, no spikes, just made sure to protect. Bill would have advised me to avoid things like that forever based on the crazy idea that 8 year tinnitus can somehow get better.
 
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AZeurotuner said:
Using that logic Bill doesn't have it "all worked out either"... He has more posts than many and in a very short period of time. I personally am still working through a nasty increase T I got a little while back, which is how I found my way onto the forum. This came from recklessness combined with a car accident, you don't need to live the Bauer way to avoid it getting worse. Just protect your ears within reason... I actually drove my buddies single turbo ls1 swapped 300zx yesterday (quite loud), I had a great time, no spikes, just made sure to protect. Bill would have advised me to avoid things like that forever based on the crazy idea that 8 year tinnitus can somehow get better.
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Didn't say he does have it all worked out.
You don't have to follow his opinions. It's not mandatory.
 
#71
Gman said:
Didn't say he does have it all worked out.
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I just fail to see why just because one is a veteran and still on the forums, that it is somehow correlated with the quality of their advice. Bill on average posts around 350 times a month, that's about 150 times more than I have in the span of four months. I'd say the vast majority of us are "living our lives" in comparison to Bill. As to why I stick around, I am recovering from the terrible spike that brought me here, but still find myself on the forums. I find it comforting to speak with others that have tinnitus, I'm not a big Facebook person (I see most of friends in person enough as it is), so this is the social platform I choose to waste time on.

*I should add too that I view tinnitustalk on my phone and stay logged in, I don't sit in front of a computer all day on this forum.
 
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Julien87 said:
No problem about that. People seeing him as "the guru who speaks the truth" is quite problematic though ^^ His advice have been harmful for some people. I have read several comments about it in the chat and on the forum. If in your case they helped, that's great.
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Lmao you want to talk about gurus, look no further than Michael and Dr Nagler, people follow their words religiously and most of the time they dont have any proper statistics to back up their claims, unlike Bill, whos studies may not be the best at times, but hey at least he has some form of evidence, instead of just another useless opinion.
 
#73
Bill's studies? Some sort of evidence? :ROFL:

And I wouldn't compare Michael's advice, already very moderate and qualified, with Bill's extreme views presented as assertions (even if they are based on "some sort of evidence").
 
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Julien87 said:
Bill's studies? Some sort of evidence? :ROFL:

And I wouldn't compare Michael's advice, already very moderate and qualified, with Bill's extreme views presented as assertions (even if they are based on "some sort of evidence").
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Michael literally tells everyone that Hyperacusis and Reactive tinnitus are the same thing, but when questioned about any evidence he has to support this theory he says it comes from personal experience, and when he is questioned about this he automatically shuts down and refuses to engage in a debate or any form of discourse for that matter, unlike Bill who you can reason with and have a debate with. Its like part of the userbase on this forum is so old that they are literally bordering on senile.
 
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Michael Leigh said:
Half of what people say is to cover up what they really mean. In this instance, the author's true message is one of negativity...
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What on earth are you talking about, holy moly the combo of benzos and old age have really taken their toll on your mental health.
 
#78
Liam_Cairns said:
What on earth are you talking about, holy moly the combo of benzos and old age have really taken their toll on your mental health.
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The mere fact that you do not understand what I'm referring to suggests that you're the one with the problem and not me. I will not be corresponding with you further as I find your conduct quite repugnant.
Goodbye..
Michael
 
#79
Michael Leigh said:
The mere fact that you do not understand what I'm referring to suggest that you're the one with the problem and not me. I will not be corresponding with you further as I find your conduct quite repugnant.
Goodbye..
Michael
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You wanna talk about repugnant behavior, how about we talk about the time you victim blamed blue28 and completely dismissed her claims about micro suctioning being dangerous, she poured her heart out in an attempt to warn others, and you just completely shat on her. You deluded old man, you literally can't handle anyone having an opposing opinion to you can you? Im honestly so sick of the idiots like you on this forum, it really makes me sad as there are some really good people here who genuinely care and arent in it for an ego boost.
 
#80
So he has to limit his posts now? There a limit? Where's that in the forum rules?

The veteran thing isn't about you. I won't name names. It isn't helpful. But people who aren't long time T sufferers who offer their advice shouldn't be vilified like this.
 
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Julien87 said:
Bill's studies? Some sort of evidence? :ROFL:

And I wouldn't compare Michael's advice, already very moderate and qualified, with Bill's extreme views presented as assertions (even if they are based on "some sort of evidence").
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I agree that Michael has some very carefully considered and templated advice. I have read and adopted a lot of it. But I also think Bill has valid, refreshing points of view on a lot of things and shouldn't be treated with disdain because he's coming from a more cautious ("extreme") angle. Both are attempting to help people and not get worse.
No one truely knows what's going on with this lame condition(s).
 
#84
Michael Leigh said:
Thank you for your kind comments about my articles and I'm pleased that you find them helpful. I do put a lot of time into writing them.

Michael
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No problem @Michael Leigh. But I also do not agree with some of what you say and sometimes the way you say it. But that's my choice.
That's what is good about TT - different points of views. Everyone is free to choose what is right, or think is right, for them.
 
#85
Everyones views are important and it's up to the authour of the thread to take on board what they find most helpful.
Facts however should be backed up!!!
Our own tinnitus journey can help others but are not facts or medical advice.

Posts should not contain personal remarks out to belittle a member or disrespect their views .
Whom are we to say YOU ARE RIGHT OR WRONG WITHOUT BACKING IT UP WITH EVIDENCE AS A FACT.

Can we now put an end to this thread targeting members ....... we are here to support you !!!!!!!!
 
#87
This thread is a prime example why more real research needs to be done and data collected so people could stop guessing and giving vague advices based on gut-feeling. In the end, everybody's different.

Supporting is important, but it's also a double-edged sword: as long as we keep the TRT type culture alive, the longer medical world views it as a small nuisance rather than a horrible health issue that needs to be resolved.
 
#88
Bill does give some decent advice but he also has flawd comments like "I am positive, you will hear silence again", "The first 4-8 weeks are the hardest for new tinnitus suffers", "Another small spike can give you a permanent spike " These are incorrect and new members believe it.

he might mean well, but giving wrong advice is not helpful to newcomers.....

I would love to hear silence again, but I will never promise someone that suffer, this. It may or may not happen. To get someone's hopes up and it doesn't happen, is not a good thing.

Tinnitus can have it's hardships for longer than 4-8 weeks, it all depends on the person. So there is no timeline for this at all.

Veterans like myself know better to NOT listen to advice like this...

PS- I think Bill means well, I do not dislike him, but some of his answers are just incorrect :)
 
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Putting a Hint up !!!!!
All this energy and views im sure could be put to good use joining Tinnitus Awareness ...........

Putting my hard hat on ......:woot::wideyed::censored:
 
#90
Bill Bauer said:
LOL

I am convinced that a considerable fraction of T sufferers will benefit if they avoid moderate noises. This has been my experience, and I know many here who also got better after adopting this policy.

It is possible/likely that some people had such a severe trauma that their T will never fade (no matter what they do or don't do), and at the same time they could get exposed to pretty loud noise and not get a spike (although there is a risk that in the long run they Will get the spike they spent so much time "earning").

Without Hard evidence, it must be tempting to dismiss someone who says that you need to give up something that you enjoy. I confess that I have never been to concerts and I had always hated loud bars/restaurants, so it is easy for me to follow my own advice, whereas it is probably a lot harder to do for most other people.

In any case, if you don't find my posts to be useful, please place me on your Ignore list.
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If you believe it is right to be cautious,
@Bill Bauer is your man !!
 
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