Will You Get Vaccinated for Coronavirus (COVID-19)? Can It Make Tinnitus or Hyperacusis Worse?

[Daniel Lion]

There are also hundreds of thousands of people who are just fine. In the end everyone has to decide for themselves whether they want to take that risk or not. Simple as that.

Actually it is in the tens of millions. 1.3 billion vaccines have been administered around the world.
Peace

 

[twa]

Yeah, after reading about all the people who got tinnitus/tinnitus worsened after getting vaccinated, there is just no way in hell I'm going to take that vaccine. I'd rather eat my own arm. I'm not a vaccine sceptic, but I'm a reasonable person and this just seems like a ridiculous risk. They said it would take 8 to 15 years to develop a vaccine for COVID-19. They rushed something in place in 1 year. Of COURSE it's going to be enormous flaws with that thing.

I don't want COVID-19 and I don't want the vaccine. I'll just keep using a mask until the pandemic is over. I don't mind.

Hi @Lurius, I was worried about taking the shot. My doctors all said they thought I should take the shot. I've had a significant response to the 2nd vaccine. I think if you are in otherwise good health, it is a good idea to wait.

 

[Wrfortiscue]

The ratio of VAERS reports citing tinnitus is higher for J&J versus other vaccines. One dose of Moderna or Pfizer has a higher efficiency rate, too.

Yup, my new tinnitus came from J&J vaccine. Funny how my old roaring tinnitus doesn't bug me because I've adapted to it over the years. It's also relatively mild. I can sleep like a baby with it.

Post jab tinnitus is causing me depression and anxiety lol. I figure the brain needs to learn that one too.

 

[Julien87]

Yup, my new tinnitus came from J&J vaccine.

That sucks. Good luck, I hope it will subside soon.

Do we know if adenovirus based vaccines (J&J and AstraZeneca) are more likely to cause tinnitus than others? I kind of changed my mind about vaccination and I think of getting Pfizerized in the coming weeks. Needless to say, I am a bit concerned about potential effects, especially on the audiological level.

 

[Wrfortiscue]

Do we know if adenovirus based vaccines (J&J and AstraZeneca) are more likely to cause tinnitus than others? I kind of changed my mind about vaccination and I think of getting Pfizerized in the coming weeks. Needless to say, I am a bit concerned about potential effects, especially on the audiological level.

All the vaccinations have a small chance of causing or worsening tinnitus. It's a crap shoot and you need to decide what's worth more of a risk to you (vaccine, or being infected with COVID-19).

 

[PeteJ]

It's also not directly related to stress, as a loud tone can come out of nowhere and ruin a perfectly good day. A quiet squeal from deep within the ear is not the same as the feeling of your whole head vibrating, but some tinnitus specialists just brush it off as it being all the same. How are we supposed to trust medical professionals when they don't trust or believe us?

I agree with this.

Doctors and ENTs don't care what we have to say or what we say we experience.

If anyone cares, maybe auditory/tinnitus researchers might. Maybe. These are my conclusions. I don't see how anyone can argue them.

 

[Matchbox]

After reading a bit into how vaccines actually work I think a large part of this might actually be as to how it's injected.

The spike protein itself can actually cause endothelial damage, not just binding to ACE2 receptors. That and fall out inflammation from the immune reaction and probably damage to small vessel walls.

Realistically the vaccine being in your lymph tissue is the goal here, and I can't see how that would worsen tinnitus at all. Sure there's the same immune cascade but it'd be self limited really. Someone could have a drastic response but even still, that implies an immune reaction that's way different than usual viruses, which doesn't make sense when the vaccine isn't replication or free floating. It's bad receptors being recognized.

Now if it got into the bloodstream in decent amounts then all bets are off as to what gets those proteins and a localized fallout immune reaction. "Why it makes" blood clots baffles me too unless it has something to do with fallout of small blood vessel damage (the same process occurs in arterial plaques but by deposition of oxidized cholesterol and immune mediators).

That again implies the vaccine is somewhere it shouldn't be, blood and not lymph.

I'd be interested to see co-relations of BMIs or muscle/fat thickness where the shots are injected (deltoid muscle?) versus incidence of these fun side effects. Larger places injected I'd "...assume...." would have a lower side effect incidence (less collateral damage by leakage into blood as opposed to tissues and lymph).

They are all mRNA vaccines. I think one is a legit hijacked virus actually. Whether there's immune fallout due to that in concert with something expressed on healthy cells or other signals a healthy cell would display when compromised (as it would be by this vaccine). I don't know. At least with a weak/dead virus strain you know where the antigens are going to be.

 

[Tinker Bell]

I'd be interested to see co-relations of BMIs or muscle/fat thickness where the shots are injected (deltoid muscle?) versus incidence of these fun side effects. Larger places injected I'd "...assume...." would have a lower side effect incidence (less collateral damage by leakage into blood as opposed to tissues and lymph).

I read recently that the vaccine can be administered in the thigh. Would that possibly cause less side effects? Lymph nodes nearest the injections are swelling (finding that with women getting mammograms). Maybe pulling any potential swelling away further from the head would help, too.

 

[Matchbox]

I read recently that the vaccine can be administered in the thigh. Would that possibly cause less side effects? Lymph nodes nearest the injections are swelling (finding that with women getting mammograms). Maybe pulling any potential swelling away further from the head would help, too.

Well at least it isn't jugular veins.

Historically I can see it not mattering to have some vaccine in your blood, but COVID-19 and the vaccine being mRNA based which causes the dreaded spike on healthy cells makes this a whole new ball game.

Add to that I don't think there's any receptors on the mRNA envelopes. It's just a micelle, so nothing is stopping it from getting into any cell, "except red blood cells"...

At the end of the terminal maturation, mammalian erythroblasts expel their nuclei and lose all their organelles, such as the Golgi apparatus, endoplasmic reticulum (ER), mitochondria and ribosomes.

So, if it got into red blood cells, no dice as there's no ribosome to instruct to make the spike.

It'd likely have found a cell to "infect" before it gets to our ear arterioles. They don't have nuclei so any vaccine inserting genetic material wouldn't affect them.

Basically if it could infect red blood cells, I'd be more dubious of the vaccine, but it cannot.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

Can anybody make an updated chart on the effects on tinnitus and hyperacusis of the different vaccines? I think I saw one chart on here, but it hasn't been updated in a while I think. It would be much appreciated.

 

[Matchbox]

Can anybody make an updated chart on the effects on tinnitus and hyperacusis of the different vaccines? I think I saw one chart on here, but it hasn't been updated in a while I think. It would be much appreciated.

I think the real differences would be in immune reaction "flux", where some vaccines may give a stronger response.

It could be argued you wouldn't need a booster shot with those vaccines.

The other brands will still create an immune response, and if you get a booster shot, well, if we were to graph immune mediator concentrations under a curve of time, it'd look a lot like the GameStop short squeeze.

Either it's very intense and sudden, or it's a slow burn to a new level and then gradually goes away.

The "area" under that curve I'd suspect would be the same (within standard error) for all brands, they are all based on a very similar mechanism.

It's anyone's guess whether a prolonged immune reaction or an intense but very short one is the cause of tinnitus!

 

[KazM]

Hi people,

I've just checked the adverse reactions that are listed up to April in New Zealand and there is one report of induced tinnitus out of over 100,000 jabs, there have been other serious reactions and apparently 3 deaths; however only one is listed so far and it has been dismissed by the powers that be.

I refuse to call it a vaccine as it is a gene modifying treatment.

See Tal Zaks|TEDxBeaconStreet "The disease eradicating potential of gene editing."

Google search Sucharit Bhakdi for information and also Geert Vanden Bossche for a warning.

FLCCC — Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance — is another excellent source outlining a treatment for COVID-19 that would make the "jab" redundant, and one treatment I am extremely interested in.

Over 40 countries are using this treatment with excellent results. The FLCCC have also provided the necessary research papers to WHO, and have been ignored by WHO, fobbed off with lame excuses.

I will not be having the "jab" as I do not want to be a GMO, and from what I've learned and the information provided by other members on this forum, it will definitely be "wait and see."

For those considering getting a flu shot, the following article has some information on how it could affect susceptibility to COVID-19; could be helpful in making a decision:

Might Flu Shots Increase COVID-19 Pandemic Risk?

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

• People who received the trivalent influenza vaccine during the 2008-2009 flu season were between 1.4 and 2.5 times more likely to get infected with pandemic H1N1 in the spring and summer of 2009 than those who did not get the seasonal flu vaccine
• A double-blind, placebo-controlled study on ferrets confirmed the results, showing the seasonal influenza vaccine did worsen symptoms after subsequent exposure to the H1N1 virus
• A 2011 study found the seasonal flu vaccine may weaken children's immune systems and increase their chances of getting sick from influenza viruses not included in the vaccine
• In a 2012 study, children receiving inactivated influenza vaccines had a 4.4 times higher relative risk of contracting noninfluenza respiratory virus infections in the nine months following their inoculation
• A 2020 study found people were 36% more likely to get some form of coronavirus infection if they had been vaccinated against influenza

Managed to find the research paper I was looking for as it does back up the information you've provided.

Conclusions: Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population.
Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus;

The conclusion clearly notes "virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus..."

@ajc -- It's actually (from my understanding) pretty well documented that getting the disease after getting a vaccination can actually make you worse than if you had no vaccination at all. Below is a snippet from an article which discusses some of the history of coronavirus vaccine development. I found this article after a quick online search, but I'm sure there are many more than might give more succinct explanations of this phenomena.

"... Around 2012, they had about 30 [coronavirus] vaccines that looked promising. They took the four best of those and … manufactured the vaccines. They gave those vaccines to ferrets, which are the closest analogy when you're looking at lung infections in human beings.

The ferrets had an extraordinarily good antibody response, and that is the metric by which FDA licenses vaccines. Vaccines, as you know, are never tested in the field. They never give 5,000 people the vaccine, 5,000 people a placebo vaccine, and then tell them to go out and live life and watch what happens to those people. That never happens.

The way that vaccines get licensed is that FDA gives people a vaccine or the industry gives them the vaccines, and then they do a serological response [test to] see 'Did you develop in your blood antibodies to that target virus?' The ferrets developed very strong antibodies, so they thought, 'We hit the jackpot.' All four of these vaccines ... worked like a charm.

Then something terrible happened. Those ferrets were then exposed to the wild virus, and they all died. [They developed] inflammation in all their organs, their lungs stopped functioning and they died."

It's worth repeating in case you missed it. The vaccines worked great, based on vaccine theory, but when the vaccinated animals were exposed to the wild virus, they died. This is as bad an outcome as one could possibly get. Kennedy continued:

"Then those scientists remembered that the same thing had happened in the 1960s when they tried to develop an RSV vaccine, which is an upper respiratory illness very similar to coronavirus. At the time, they did not test it on animals. They went right to human testing.

They tested it on I think about 35 children, and the same thing happened. The children developed a champion antibody response — robust, durable. It looked perfect [but when] the children were exposed to the wild virus, they all became sick. Two of them died. They abandoned the vaccine. It was a big embarrassment to FDA and NIH …

Those scientists in 2012 remembered that, and they said, 'This is the same thing that happened [back then].' So, they look closer and they realize that there are two kinds of antibodies that were being produced by the coronavirus. There are neutralizing antibodies, which are the kind you want, which fight the disease, and then there are binding antibodies.

The binding antibodies actually create a pathway for the disease in your body, and they trigger something called … a paradoxical immune response or paradoxical immune enhancement. What that means is that it looks good until you get the disease, and then it makes the disease much, much worse..."​

I'll back up your information with a warning from Geert Vanden Bossche. He has worked in the field of vaccine development and is extremely concerned about this "vaccine" and the timing of the Global Vaccination Program right in the middle of a pandemic. Either Google search or YouTube (if he hasn't been "cancelled"), also Sucharit Bhakdi, another informative professional.

A couple of paramedics I know are going to be force jabbed if they want to keep their jobs. They're front line NHS workers, fine with all manner of vaccine, and given what they have to deal with on a daily basis are very level people not prone to panic. That said, regarding the COVID-19 vaccine they're deeply concerned and just don't want to take it.

Yep, in NZ six people working in quarantine facilities refused to take the "Jab" and have lost their jobs.

And the vaccines are deadly to none ;-)

Actually depending on the "vaccine" it can be extremely harmful, causing long term disability or death; however the deaths are being fobbed off as not being linked to the "vaccine". Please Google or YouTube Sucharit Bhakdi, and also Geert Vandeen Bossche for more information.

There is also a perfectly excellent treatment available for COVID-19, for more information Google FLCCC - Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance.

 

[Michael Leigh]

Had my second vaccine today and no problems.

 

[Jack Straw]

Can anybody make an updated chart on the effects on tinnitus and hyperacusis of the different vaccines? I think I saw one chart on here, but it hasn't been updated in a while I think. It would be much appreciated.

If you check the Share Your Coronavirus (COVID-19) Vaccine Experience thread, there might be an updated one. I think overall Pfizer is the way to go.

 

[Alexandor Scott]

Had my second vaccine today and no problems.

Hey Michael. I just wanted to ask you, if you had received a bad spike from the first dose, would you have followed through with the second dose?

I have found your posts to be extremely helpful over the years and I have a tremendous amount of respect for you, so just wanted to get your opinion on whether or not getting the second dose if one experiences a spike from dose one would make sense from a tinnitus perspective.

 

[Michael Leigh]

Hey Michael. I just wanted to ask you, if you had received a bad spike from the first dose, would you have followed through with the second dose?

Hi Alexandor,

I did not experience a spike with the first dose of AstraZeneca vaccine but did have some dizziness for about one hour, then began to feel better. If I had a spike, I still would have gone for the second dose this morning. I haven't experienced any dizziness nor any other symptoms. I haven't had a spike in over 20 years.

I have found your posts to be extremely helpful over the years and I have a tremendous amount of respect for you, so just wanted to get your opinion on whether or not getting the second dose if one experiences a spike from dose one would make sense from a tinnitus perspective.

I am pleased that you have found my posts helpful. Thank you for your kind comments.

Take care,
Michael

 

[K.A.]

I'd be interested to see co-relations of BMIs or muscle/fat thickness where the shots are injected (deltoid muscle?) versus incidence of these fun side effects. Larger places injected I'd "...assume...." would have a lower side effect incidence (less collateral damage by leakage into blood as opposed to tissues and lymph).

I think you are onto something here.

As I understand, there is actually a dispute between countries/health officials about whether there exists a large blood vessel in the deltoid muscle, to be possibly hit by the injection. Which results in some countries aspirating the injection (to make sure not to hit blood vessels) and some not.

Anyone know more about this? How is it possible not to just know or find out for sure, in 2021, whether the deltoid muscle has or has not such blood vessels...?

Controversial vaccination techniques differ greatly between different countries

Also, some of the Nordic countries have now banned AstraZeneca + taken Johnson & Johnson out of the official vaccine program (though you may still buy it from a doctor willing to prescribe it).

So they think the viral vector variants are more risky than Pfizer and Moderna - but you say all the vaccines are "mRNA"?

 

[Matchbox]

I think you are onto something here.

As I understand, there is actually a dispute between countries/health officials about whether there exists a large blood vessel in the deltoid muscle, to be possibly hit by the injection. Which results in some countries aspirating the injection (to make sure not to hit blood vessels) and some not.

Anyone know more about this? How is it possible not to just know or find out for sure, in 2021, whether the deltoid muscle has or has not such blood vessels...?

Controversial vaccination techniques differ greatly between different countries

Also, some of the Nordic countries have now banned AstraZeneca + taken Johnson & Johnson out of the official vaccine program (though you may still buy it from a doctor willing to prescribe it).

So they think the viral vector variants are more risky than Pfizer and Moderna - but you say all the vaccines are "mRNA"?

They all involve hijacking your ribosomes to make the spike protein and display it on a healthy host cell.

How they all do it is a bit different but that's the end game.

 

[Manex]

If you check the Share Your Coronavirus (COVID-19) Vaccine Experience thread, there might be an updated one. I think overall Pfizer is the way to go.

I took Pfizer first dose. Tinnitus increased that night but really kicked in 3 days later (as others have reported). And 5 weeks later now my tinnitus is still like 50% worse at least.

If you have a history of tinnitus from medication like me, I would say don't take the vaccine. I shouldn't have. My ears tones have not stopped changing, there is no chance to get used to anything. It's miserable.

My 2018 increase (4 times previous level) was life changingly bad and now... I don't know. Not one day have I not felt terrible because of it and wishing I respected that I already knew I was medically sensitive.

I got talked into it because COVID-19 in theory causes tinnitus... but maybe it wouldn't have been permanent like this is feeling.

 

[Wrfortiscue]

I took Pfizer first dose. Tinnitus increased that night but really kicked in 3 days later (as others have reported). And 5 weeks later now my tinnitus is still like 50% worse at least.

If you have a history of tinnitus from medication like me, I would say don't take the vaccine. I shouldn't have. My ears tones have not stopped changing, there is no chance to get used to anything. It's miserable.

My 2018 increase (4 times previous level) was life changingly bad and now... I don't know. Not one day have I not felt terrible because of it and wishing I respected that I already knew I was medically sensitive.

I got talked into it because COVID-19 in theory causes tinnitus... but maybe it wouldn't have been permanent like this is feeling.

Same. I got the vaccine to prevent worsening of tinnitus and then well... lol. I guess it could be worse.

 

[Manex]

Same. I got the vaccine to prevent worsening of tinnitus and then well... lol. I guess it could be worse.

Have you had any bad (temporary or permanent) reactions to medicine before with regards to your tinnitus?

 

[Deamon22]

I could get the AstraZeneca vaccine now, but I am undecided. My tinnitus is behaving very well and I am pretty scared of doing something that makes it worse (I know that involves also catching COVID-19). At a loss what to do, maybe I´ll wait until I can get the Pfizer.

 

[KazM]

I could get the AstraZeneca vaccine now, but I am undecided. My tinnitus is behaving very well and I am pretty scared of doing something that makes it worse (I know that involves also catching COVID-19). At a loss what to do, maybe I´ll wait until I can get the Pfizer.

If you're unsure about what to do, I would advise you to wait as there is an effective treatment for COVID-19 that is being quashed, Google FLCCC Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance; this group comprise Critical Care experts who advocate an effective treatment and have a list of countries and professionals that will prescribe and monitor

 

[Static Sophie 73]

Believe it or not, I'd rather take my chances going about my life unvaccinated than risk any negative auditory changes. I believe my tinnitus journey started 19 years ago from taking just a few antidepressants - static. It has gotten worse over time probably due to the normal aging process. I wouldn't cope if any of these experimental 'vaccines' made things worse.

 

[Ken219]

Los Angeles Times, May 20, 2021:

"Doctors at Johns Hopkins University treated some of the people whose hearing suffered in the wake of a COVID-19 shot, and it made them wonder whether the vaccine really could have been responsible. So they decided to investigate.

Their verdict: The vaccine wasn't to blame. The timing of the hearing loss was just a coincidence, according to a report published Thursday in the journal JAMA Otolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery."

 

[Wrfortiscue]

Los Angeles Times, May 20, 2021:

"Doctors at Johns Hopkins University treated some of the people whose hearing suffered in the wake of a COVID-19 shot, and it made them wonder whether the vaccine really could have been responsible. So they decided to investigate.

Their verdict: The vaccine wasn't to blame. The timing of the hearing loss was just a coincidence, according to a report published Thursday in the journal JAMA Otolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery."

I hate that they are trying to hide this lol.

 

[Alexandor Scott]

Believe it or not, I'd rather take my chances going about my life unvaccinated than risk any negative auditory changes. I believe my tinnitus journey started 19 years ago from taking just a few antidepressants - static. It has gotten worse over time probably due to the normal aging process. I wouldn't cope if any of these experimental 'vaccines' made things worse.

What about the risk of COVID-19 infection worsening tinnitus? I've had one dose of Moderna and got a temporary spike from it, and I'm really on the fence about the second dose. I think eventually I'll get it since COVID-19 itself is much more likely to worsen tinnitus. It sucks we don't seem to have any good options here.

 

[Static Sophie 73]

What about the risk of COVID-19 infection worsening tinnitus? I've had one dose of Moderna and got a temporary spike from it, and I'm really on the fence about the second dose. I think eventually I'll get it since COVID-19 itself is much more likely to worsen tinnitus. It sucks we don't seem to have any good options here.

It's a classic example of being caught between a rock and a hard place.

 

[t_scot randal]

What about the risk of COVID-19 infection worsening tinnitus? I've had one dose of Moderna and got a temporary spike from it, and I'm really on the fence about the second dose. I think eventually I'll get it since COVID-19 itself is much more likely to worsen tinnitus. It sucks we don't seem to have any good options here.

I was on the fence about my second dose too. I had begun to develop what would be considered mild tinnitus after the first Moderna shot (never had tinnitus before). I was concerned it was due to the shot but plowed ahead anyway under the assumption that I'd be kicking myself if I had skipped the shot and then caught a COVID-19 variant.

Anyhow, 8-weeks after shot #2 I can safely say that I should have skipped the shot.

Like many others I am in a very bad place right now. Don't risk it until more is known about why these vaccines (seemingly all brands) cause ear damage in some people.

 

[Alexandor Scott]

I was on the fence about my second dose too. I had begun to develop what would be considered mild tinnitus after the first Moderna shot (never had tinnitus before). I was concerned it was due to the shot but plowed ahead anyway under the assumption that I'd be kicking myself if I had skipped the shot and then caught a COVID-19 variant.

Anyhow, 8-weeks after shot #2 I can safely say that I should have skipped the shot.

Like many others I am in a very bad place right now. Don't risk it until more is known about why these vaccines (seemingly all brands) cause ear damage in some people.

I'm so terribly sorry to hear you're having such a rough go mate. I've read it could take 3 to 6 months for post COVID-19 vaccine spikes to subside, so don't give up hope that your tinnitus will subside to much more tolerable levels at some point soon!

If I were able to hang out at home in the United States these next few months, I'd probably forego shot 2. But I've got to fly to Indonesia next week where I'll remain until early next year, so I'll probably end up getting the second dose before I go, for better or worse.

I hate that we all seem to be stuck with two bad options here.