MemberThe US military relies on propaganda so much.
Anti-War groups are considered the zealots when in reality it's the other way around.
2020 US Presidential Election
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Anti-War groups are considered the zealots when in reality it's the other way around.
People here are sheep thinking the Democrats will be any different. I "liked" the posts of people who raised good points.
https://www.businessinsider.com/dem...ing-he-wants-738-billion-defense-bill-2019-12
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...nd-trump-738-billion-military-budget-includes
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/24/15681846/trump-defense-budget-obama-readiness
Trump said they would increase the budget. The parties are the same. The differences are negligible. The USA has a debt of 25 trillion, people are not working because of a scamdemic and also not working because they are in stupid protests. I guess COVID-19 must be over.
I am anti-war and I think spending excessive billions on the military while people are struggling including tinnitus conditions is insane. But, I am not a delusional leftist.
Anti war facebook pages are known for making activist memes about big-oil companies and US Government contractors like Boeing and Lockheed Martin that get paid for helping the military make weapons of war. Common themes include warning young people joining the military that going to war is a great way to help the Government contractors and throw away your life.
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I figure we can inform these groups about the tinnitus problem, if they get a hold of the tinnitus statistics. They can use this as a new anti war argument and how clumsy the VA is for wasting so much money on TRT. It can draw extreme negative criticism towards both TRT and war.
These anti war zealots could become an ally of tinnitus research. They always seem to be looking out for Government/war related corruption and we have a story they haven't heard.
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I figure we can inform these groups about the tinnitus problem, if they get a hold of the tinnitus statistics. They can use this as a new anti war argument and how clumsy the VA is for wasting so much money on TRT. It can draw extreme negative criticism towards both TRT and war.
These anti war zealots could become an ally of tinnitus research. They always seem to be looking out for Government/war related corruption and we have a story they haven't heard.
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https://www.nj.com/politics/2016/07/dnc_2016_10_big_ways_the_democratic_platform_diffe.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-republican-parties-too-different-to-compare/
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4823768/historical-differences-republican-democratic-parties
https://www.kqed.org/lowdown/4487/the-10-biggest-differences-between-republicans-and-democrats
https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/can_your_politics_predict_how_empathic_you_are
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-republican-parties-too-different-to-compare/
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4823768/historical-differences-republican-democratic-parties
https://www.kqed.org/lowdown/4487/the-10-biggest-differences-between-republicans-and-democrats
https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/can_your_politics_predict_how_empathic_you_are
I'm not really looking forward to 2020 elections. The two party system is shit but if all third party folks can run is John McAfees and Vermin Supremes or nobodies it's back to the major parties this election. They need to set up mobile sterilization chambers and maybe even hand out confessionary pamphlets right outside the voting booth because I'm going to feel like a 10 year old dirty diaper after this one.
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Trump and the American Idiocracy -- Contempt for intellectuals and experts worsened the U.S. response to the pandemic and bodes ill for the current racial crisis.
Precisely 100 years ago, H.L. Mencken wrote:
"As democracy is perfected, the office [of president] represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. . . . On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
Now it is. Just in time for Donald Trump to mishandle a lethal pandemic and inflame an incendiary racial crisis. The cost in lives, and to our national spirit, has yet to be reckoned."
"How," asks Stephen Walt, "could a serious country possibly choose as its leader a narcissistic, manifestly unqualified self-promoter with a long track record of failure and deceit?"
The answer, in great measure, is that too many Americans stopped caring about capacity or knowledge, and so elected an uncredentialed ignoramus. But Donald Trump is merely the apotheosis of a growing disdain among Republicans for the intellect, experience, wisdom, and respect for expertise essential to governance.
Historically, American anti-intellectualism has been as bipartisan as ignorance. But by trafficking for decades in a pseudo-populist contempt for perceived elites, the GOP wound up creating a political Frankenstein monster: an American idiocracy governed by an idiot....
https://ivn.us/2016/08/03/50-ways-democratic-republican-parties-same/
https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=367696.0
Others have reached a similar conclusion so if you think 'my' perspective is so "funny."
https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=367696.0
Others have reached a similar conclusion so if you think 'my' perspective is so "funny."
lightning
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Saying Democrats and Republicans are the same because they both ultimately spend a lot of money on the military and don't worry much about debt is glossing over a lot of meaningful differences.
That kind of sentiment is a form of learned helplessness.
'Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…'
Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947
Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947
No, it isn't. It was just some examples. Believe what you want. I guess I am done here since the mods threatened me.
I know you are wrong and most of you are. We live in an insane world and the Left controls everything. People are stupid. All the criticism of lack of funding (talking about tinnitus since it concerns us, in particular) is due to the left wing in control of all Western nations. That is, the mainstream and status quo. Nothing will change when brainwashed, indoctrinated idiots are the mob majority. I hate this world.
So many lies here. Most people don't know this....
https://greatgameindia.com/george-floyd-criminal/
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/29/8658...hauvin-were-co-workers-says-former-club-owner
The point is the MSM is provoking or helping to provoke tensions and there is an agenda instead of just reporting the news.
https://greatgameindia.com/george-floyd-criminal/
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/29/8658...hauvin-were-co-workers-says-former-club-owner
The point is the MSM is provoking or helping to provoke tensions and there is an agenda instead of just reporting the news.
The parties aren't the same but there are some valid criticisms of the two party system.
In general, establishment Democrat politicians only pretend to care about minorities and poverty to any great degree but want money and power and, in general, establishment Republicans only pretend to care about religion and the US as a symbol (flag worship) but really want money and power.
The biggest difference is democratic voters (though they can have blind spots too like Obama's deportation record and use of drone strikes and Clinton jailing people for life for 3 minor drug offenses) hold their leaders more accountable to making things better for everyone and conservatives, well I will just post this quote again:
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:
There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
—Frank Wilhoit"
Here is a great example of the lack of accountability in conservative voters:
Trump supporters heavily criticized Obama for even saying he'd meet with North Korea calling him a traitor and posting about Otto Warmbeir. In contrast, this was what Trump said about Kim Jong-Un in a rally:
"I was really being tough and so was he," Trump said. "And we would go back and forth. And then we fell in love. No really. He wrote me beautiful letters."
"They were great letters. And then we fell in love," he continued.
Crickets from his supporters. This makes the GOP very very dangerous. There is zero accountability from their voters. It's not even criticized. The new opinion is suddenly it's great to meet with North Korea.
In general, establishment Democrat politicians only pretend to care about minorities and poverty to any great degree but want money and power and, in general, establishment Republicans only pretend to care about religion and the US as a symbol (flag worship) but really want money and power.
The biggest difference is democratic voters (though they can have blind spots too like Obama's deportation record and use of drone strikes and Clinton jailing people for life for 3 minor drug offenses) hold their leaders more accountable to making things better for everyone and conservatives, well I will just post this quote again:
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:
There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
—Frank Wilhoit"
Here is a great example of the lack of accountability in conservative voters:
Trump supporters heavily criticized Obama for even saying he'd meet with North Korea calling him a traitor and posting about Otto Warmbeir. In contrast, this was what Trump said about Kim Jong-Un in a rally:
"I was really being tough and so was he," Trump said. "And we would go back and forth. And then we fell in love. No really. He wrote me beautiful letters."
"They were great letters. And then we fell in love," he continued.
Crickets from his supporters. This makes the GOP very very dangerous. There is zero accountability from their voters. It's not even criticized. The new opinion is suddenly it's great to meet with North Korea.
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I've noticed that people who exhibit learned helplessness on one subject, often exhibit the same on another. I also think that chronic health conditions can do a great job of reinforcing this, because if we're deprived of agency over our body, of course we feel powerless. Understanding the great degree of agency we generally still have over our minds and the way we process signals from our bodies consciously is one way to address that.
This was a study which looked at adolescents with asthma, and concluded that being asthmatic did indeed contribute to learned-helplessness behavioral correlates: https://academic.oup.com/jpepsy/article/24/3/259/918082
As you would expect, there's a wealth of data indicating that things which generally fall into the cognitive behavioral bucket, can reduce the extent to which learned helplessness increases suffering among the chronically ill: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/art.1790040405
"Learned response to chronic illness" and even just "Learned response" are other good search terms for finding research into this.
That said, I also think that simple laziness and not wanting to look the unpleasantness of what's happening here in the eye, has a lot to do with some of the very false equivalencies between parties. If I have a set of votes that matter (especially at a local level), then I feel an obligation to inform myself, to be active in my community, to influence others and to show up and vote. On the other hand, if I can convince myself "both parties are the same and nothing matters" then I can just sit on my ass and feel sorry for myself and watch Netflix and wonder why my life never seems to get any better.
totally agree; once we deal with the current set of crisis, having an opposition party hellbent on toning down military spending in the interests of better social programs and life at home sounds like a great goal. National debt in the US is, at present, pretty far down my list of concerns for a number of reasons.
They are the same. You're delusional. So are the rest of you. Nothing major happens between parties exchanging power. Nothing significant. It's hard to believe how people can't see that.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...ver-here-s-how-the-military-rates-his-legacy/
There was no significant change. Enough disgruntled people who switched parties.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016...ma-approves-greater-military-role-afghanistan
It's always status quo when it comes to both parties. Neither will help regular people with health issues and problems.
lightning
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Yeah. That makes sense. 99% mainstream media presents a viewpoint contrary to what I suggest. But, *I* am the brainwashed one. Good logic there, pal.
False equivalence.
I criticized Obama in my post specifically to make my point that liberals are willing to criticize their leaders while conservatives aren't. You responded with whataboutism with Obama.
Inadvertently, you proved my point.
Out of curiosity, what was your opinion of leaders meeting with North Korea before and after Trump took office?
lightning
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In an environment with free press, it is more likely that a small group of people are brainwashed than a large group.Yeah. That makes sense. 99% mainstream media presents a viewpoint contrary to what I suggest. But, *I* am the brainwashed one. Good logic there, pal.
Huh? I am not American for one thing. I don't think Liberals criticize their leaders. Please.
I said these parties are the same. Do Conservatives say that? I am not a fan of Trump. I think he's a puppet. I don't think he's conservative or even political. He's an actor playing a part. He's a distraction for useful fools. I don't like our country's Conservative party. I don't think neocons do anything better than what liberals do. They do a lot of the same things. Some of the policies might be conservative but they are the same coin, just a different side. I am sure you understand me. You just want to believe you can pigeon hole me but, wrong.
At the end of the day, all this is BS anyway. My t is bad enough that this is just words. Nothing will help me so I don't understand people who get really bothered by it. It must be nice to care about something other than your tinnitus condition.
Free press? Please. A biased, manipulative press that has been criticized for bias, lying, having ulterior motives and under corporate control among other things... you really are in clown world.
lightning
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Gotcha. You aren't a conservative as much as skeptical. I can understand that though I disagree they are equally bad.
For what? I already posted a few links examples demonstrating the two parties comparison. Perhaps, think outside the box instead of letting the MSM decide your viewpoints for you?
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You seem to make an awful lot of assumptions about the thought processes of people you don't know. You ruin discussion by insulting the people that are actually trying to engage with you. Just gonna go ahead and put you on ignore.
This thread was intended for civil discourse. Calling people "brainwashed" and "pathetic" is not civil. Please respect our fellow members.
The lot of you just can't accept the truth. It wasn't discussion anyway. One half just clicked the "funny" icon and the rest ignored most of my points which were quite clear.
I guess ignoring facts are typical of liberals. Here's another: donating to BLM is a laundering scheme for the Democratic party.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...smatter-com-go-directly-dnc-money-laundering/
Like the actual story regarding Floyd and the hypocrisy of ignoring the entire picture regarding crime, police violence/murder of civilians or excessive force on civilians, there's just a lot of red flags and questions that liberals ignore and disregard or laugh off. It's annoying.
Financing of tinnitus research and the associated conditions is woefully neglected regardless of party or political spectrum because there are negligible differences in mainstream parties. To me, this is blatantly obvious yet I am laughed at here, shrugged at or receive what I consider ridiculous requests. Sorry if I reacted in a way in which I sounded annoyed. Most of that is due to tinnitus as I think our situation in society is hopeless.
I guess ignoring facts are typical of liberals. Here's another: donating to BLM is a laundering scheme for the Democratic party.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...smatter-com-go-directly-dnc-money-laundering/
Like the actual story regarding Floyd and the hypocrisy of ignoring the entire picture regarding crime, police violence/murder of civilians or excessive force on civilians, there's just a lot of red flags and questions that liberals ignore and disregard or laugh off. It's annoying.
Financing of tinnitus research and the associated conditions is woefully neglected regardless of party or political spectrum because there are negligible differences in mainstream parties. To me, this is blatantly obvious yet I am laughed at here, shrugged at or receive what I consider ridiculous requests. Sorry if I reacted in a way in which I sounded annoyed. Most of that is due to tinnitus as I think our situation in society is hopeless.
