2020 US Presidential Election

[Born To Slay]

To say you'd have to fear for your life because of Trump is hyperbole. It's sensationalist statements like this that are creating extremes on both sides.

To be fair he did say "and/or rights" and Donald Trump has been unfriendly to civil rights causes. Particularly the LGBTQ cause.

 

[PeteJ]

These are the types of people liberals here support:

https://thepostmillennial.com/proje...o-of-refuse-fascism-claiming-soros-is-a-donor

 

[PeteJ]

Is Hillary still relevant to the current election? Should we be talking about John Kerry too?

I was just offering examples. I guess you didn't understand my point (e.g. Bush vs Kerry election)? I thought I was pretty clear. Sigh. Unfortunately, the video was removed. It had a lot of views and comments though.

 

[PeteJ]

I agree. The country needs to come together without attacking each other. You seem able to do this but I have been in situations where I will criticize an action or policy or Trump and it will turn into personal attacks. It sounds like you have been witness to the same on the other side.

It's like the whole country turned into a Cubs vs The White Sox bar brawl but with politics.

That's because liberals can't take constructive criticism.

 

[PeteJ]

I know. It's a sad day when these are our only choices. Maybe I just won't vote?

If I was an American, I'd either not vote or choose an independent candidate.

 

[aot]

To say you'd have to fear for your life because of Trump is hyperbole. It's sensationalist statements like this that are creating extremes on both sides.

Tell that to LGBT people who are no longer protected from discrimination in healthcare services. Or the children of undocumented immigrants who may be forced to live in heinous, unsanitary conditions.

 

[aot]

Maybe I just won't vote?

Not voting is a vote for Trump.

 

[Lane]

I'll have my local library put this on hold for me.

You might want to consider this one as well (from Simon & Schuster's website). Strikes me as a pretty good example of how some people will sell their souls for $30M/year.

About The Book

The urgent and untold story of the collusion between Fox News and Donald Trump from the New York Times bestselling author of Top of the Morning.

While other leaders were marshaling resources to combat the greatest pandemic in modern history, President Donald Trump was watching TV. Trump watches over six hours of Fox News a day, a habit his staff refers to as "executive time." In January 2020, when Fox News began to downplay COVID-19, the President was quick to agree. In March, as the deadly virus spiraled out of control, Sean Hannity mocked "coronavirus hysteria" as a "new hoax" from the left. Millions of Americans took Hannity and Trump's words as truth—until some of them started to get sick.

In Hoax, CNN anchor and chief media correspondent Brian Stelter tells the twisted story of the relationship between Donald Trump and Fox News. From the moment Trump glided down the golden escalator to announce his candidacy in the 2016 presidential election to his acquittal on two articles of impeachment in early 2020, Fox hosts spread his lies and smeared his enemies. Over the course of two years, Stelter spoke with over 250 current and former Fox insiders in an effort to understand the inner workings of Rupert Murdoch's multibillion-dollar media empire. Some of the confessions are alarming. "We don't really believe all this stuff," a producer says. "We just tell other people to believe it."

At the center of the story lies Sean Hannity, a college dropout who, following the death of Fox News mastermind Roger Ailes, reigns supreme at the network that pays him $30 million a year. Stelter describes the raging tensions inside Fox between the Trump loyalists and the few remaining journalists. He reveals why former chief news anchor Shep Smith resigned in disgust in 2019; why a former anchor said "if I stay here I'll get cancer;" and how Trump has exploited the leadership vacuum at the top to effectively seize control of the network.

Including never before reported details, Hoax exposes the media personalities who, though morally bankrupt, profit outrageously by promoting the President's propaganda and radicalizing the American right. It is a book for anyone who reads the news and wonders: How did this happen?

 

[lightning]

There really is no "press" anymore. There are just dueling activist groups who pretend to be journalists. For instance, NPR has decided to shift its broadcasting to regularly scheduled "white reeducation" programs like this.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/09/8733...le-can-still-be-complicit-in-a-racist-society

I resent being preached-to by news outlets. Just the facts, mam.

I find myself at present alienated from both parties, just slightly less alienated from democrats (at least mainstream democrats).

White people do need to be reeducated. But I get your point, many news outlets have agendas. There are plenty of ways to get boring, just the facts news though. You just won't be able to find it on Fox/CNN/MSNBC. Those channels are mostly for entertainment and to reinforce whatever bias its audience already has.

 

[PeteJ]

Wow, you guys really are nutjobs.

 

[PeteJ]

I am probably on ignore and that's great. Because, I wouldn't want people upset.

But, it always is fascinating to see how delusional and illogical you folks are. Except, you folks also simultaneously scare me. I hope I am not around when it gets really bad.

As for COVID-19 and your paranoia... AND YOU mocking people who suggest it might be a hoax. I hope you are really proud of yourselves. It makes a lot of sense that experts, politicians, governments and other useful idiots condemned people protesting the lockdown and claiming that rights were being infringed upon.

Now, everyone learned that the coronavirus is a leftist virus and won't infect leftist protesters. Just wear a mask and all the restrictions can be forgotten. Oh, the experts say it's worth risking as long as you are protesting the pre-approved liberal cause.

Hey, is it all possible to get off the Insane Train?

 

[Carlos1]

Huh? Impeachment was about Ukraine and not Russia.

@FGG
The impeachment culminated with the Ukraine phone call but the DNC and the Steel Dossier was the precursor of what was to come. Like I said I'm not a Trump supporter but doesn't it bother you that our institutions FBI, DOJ, CIA were all in on trying to dig dirt on a presidential candidate ? Our government used the FISA courts to spy on our own citizens. This is not what FISA was instituted for and the fact that the Democrates used it as a weapon is eye opening. They can do it to an presidential candidate they'll surely use it on you and I.

 

[FGG]

I am probably on ignore and that's great. Because, I wouldn't want people upset.

But, it always is fascinating to see how delusional and illogical you folks are. Except, you folks also simultaneously scare me. I hope I am not around when it gets really bad.

As for COVID-19 and your paranoia... AND YOU mocking people who suggest it might be a hoax. I hope you are really proud of yourselves. It makes a lot of sense that experts, politicians, governments and other useful idiots condemned people protesting the lockdown and claiming that rights were being infringed upon.

Now, everyone learned that the coronavirus is a leftist virus and won't infect leftist protesters. Just wear a mask and all the restrictions can be forgotten. Oh, the experts say it's worth risking as long as you are protesting the pre-approved liberal cause.

Hey, is it all possible to get off the Insane Train?

I dunno dude, it's a complicated issue and it's possible to have some nuance.

Ie: you can think Coronavirus should be taken seriously and that people should social distance and wear a mask AND that the protest is leading to some much needed public education and police reform.

I think if people weren't herded together like cattle and coughing from tear gas, it would help as well.

Wouldn't have been great if we could have had this discussion as a nation back when players were just kneeling at football games? I mean people were already dying: Philandro Castro, Eric Garner, etc etc.

The Charles Kinsey video especially got to me. He survived but the whole time he was the most concerned with protecting the kid under his care. He was on the ground, a clearly gentle and kind dude and he was still shot.

It would have been nice if people didn't feel the need to risk their lives to stop more people dying. But that's the only thing that seemed to get through.

Trump dismissed the movement but even he is now signing into law a police certification system that might help address this at least a little. That is not something they even concerned themselves with when Pence was walking out of NFL games.

 

[Watasha]

I know. It's a sad day when these are our only choices. Maybe I just won't vote?

Na, vote third party at least I'd say. Viable other parties were invigorate our system I believe. Don't throw your privilege to vote away when so many fought for it.

 

[Watasha]

To be fair he did say "and/or rights" and Donald Trump has been unfriendly to civil rights causes. Particularly the LGBTQ cause.

How is that fair? One is false and one could have some truth in it (though I can't say I am an expert on that piece). That's not fair at all and why I called out one element of his statement. I believe that is the definition of unfair.

 

[Watasha]

Tell that to LGBT people who are no longer protected from discrimination in healthcare services. Or the children of undocumented immigrants who may be forced to live in heinous, unsanitary conditions.

Have you read what those lack of protections actually involve? My understanding is that it does not require a doctor to perform transformation procedures on the basis of protecting the doctors religious liberties as well. Doctors will not turn away a sick patient, they took an oath.

The second point, nothing changed from the previous administration so I think it's a little silly to lay that at the hands of the current administration. I can finger point at any country and find dangers that I can accuse a government of not doing enough to prevent.

 

[GlennS]

White people do need to be reeducated.

I object to treating any group as a monolithic block and talking down to them (think "dear white people" sort of language). Nobody appreciates that but it's a lot easier to give those messages than receive them hence the hypocrisy. I also don't think the news should be involved in social engineering. Journalism has become a bastion for activist. To be fair, this started with Fox news but the left is now using the same tactics. I object to social engineering in general. You can't impose "right-think". You can open conversations, yes. Get people to think, yes. But preaching isn't a conversation. It's coercion.

I feel the same way about corporations who are also ideological mouthpieces. Remember the Gillette ad? We are a seriously messed up country if we think we should all learn how to behave as human beings from watching ads for razor blades and don't even get me started on heavy-handed movies and TV.

 

[just1morething]

Hey, is it all possible to get off the Insane Train?

I know the noise in my left ear is insane. Is it TMD or barotrauma caused? I'm not much interested in politics when my ear is screaming. I don't know how people maintain their concentration and are able to write long posts with severe tinnitus?

 

[Zugzug]

That's because liberals can't take constructive criticism.

LOL so you view the party of Trump as the party of personal accountability? Trump handles criticism better than Obama did? Come on.

 

[Watasha]

LOL so you view the party of Trump as the party of personal accountability? Trump handles criticism better than Obama did? Come on.

I think he does about as expected given the discrepancies in favorable vs negative news coverage.

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/02/5550...trump-more-negative-than-for-other-presidents

Trump 62% Negative 5% Positive
Obama 20% Negative 42% Positive

Also media covers his personality (which most agree to be less than favorable) much more than other presidents

 

[Carlos1]

I know the noise in my left ear is insane. Is it TMD or barotrauma caused? I'm not much interested in politics when my ear is screaming. I don't know how people maintain their concentration and are able to write long posts with severe tinnitus?

@just1morething

My left ear is ringing pretty damn loud today but I have noticed if I succumb to the depression that it brings me that my TEE seems to become even louder. I know it's very hard to stay positive I struggle every day with bad thoughts in my head. Hang in there my friend... Try to find something that will turn your focus away from your TEE.
I know it's easier said than done.

Stay Strong.

 

[PeteJ]

I dunno dude, it's a complicated issue and it's possible to have some nuance.

Ie: you can think Coronavirus should be taken seriously and that people should social distance and wear a mask AND that the protest is leading to some much needed public education and police reform.

I think if people weren't herded together like cattle and coughing from tear gas, it would help as well.

Wouldn't have been great if we could have had this discussion as a nation back when players were just kneeling at football games? I mean people were already dying: Philandro Castro, Eric Garner, etc etc.

The Charles Kinsey video especially got to me. He survived but the whole time he was the most concerned with protecting the kid under his care. He was on the ground, a clearly gentle and kind dude and he was still shot.

It would have been nice if people didn't feel the need to risk their lives to stop more people dying. But that's the only thing that seemed to get through.

Trump dismissed the movement but even he is now signing into law a police certification system that might help address this at least a little. That is not something they even concerned themselves with when Pence was walking out of NFL games.

So, you're just going to ignore my points then, eh? I appreciate your reply but calling you out just the same.

I will reiterate since you ignored me the first time. Media, governments, so-called health experts and useful idiots on Twitter chastised and vilified anyone not following restrictions, if not social distancing, less than 50 people, wear masks, stay in lockdown for as long as you can....FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. Some people protested that it was too harsh and were vilified for it. They were accused of harming others and if they were white, they were called extremists and even white supremacists. NOW, these same groups who are telling us what we should do is saying IT'S OKAY AS LONG AS IT'S protesting for BLM. It's insane.

You couldn't visit parents and grandparents in homes or if they die, you couldn't have a funeral. Yet, there was a Floyd funeral, televised, with tons of people and guests present.

Health experts and politicians said you can be in crowds (no social distancing) in which you're packed together like sardines IF you're protesting for BLM. Then the risk is allowed. Are you telling me you don't see a problem here?!?

All we have received are LIES, BS and conflicting info that makes no logical sense. Politicians and health experts have back tracked, made ridiculous exceptions and changed their mind when it suits the politics.

There's various info out there that is published that suggests the coronavirus paranoia is overblown and that people are overreacting. I guess when it comes to liberal and leftist agendas, they concur...when it suits them. I could go on???

 

[PeteJ]

LOL so you view the party of Trump as the party of personal accountability? Trump handles criticism better than Obama did? Come on.

I am talking about citizens not comparing President's reactions.

I know the noise in my left ear is insane. Is it TMD or barotrauma caused? I'm not much interested in politics when my ear is screaming. I don't know how people maintain their concentration and are able to write long posts with severe tinnitus?

I know. It's a struggle. I need to constantly distract myself and when my tinnitus is screaming I want to smash my head in. I agree with liberals when it comes to funding healthcare especially this condition. I don't care how much money they spend on it! As long as there are results and progress.

 

[PeteJ]

I dunno dude, it's a complicated issue and it's possible to have some nuance.

Ie: you can think Coronavirus should be taken seriously and that people should social distance and wear a mask AND that the protest is leading to some much needed public education and police reform.

I think if people weren't herded together like cattle and coughing from tear gas, it would help as well.

Wouldn't have been great if we could have had this discussion as a nation back when players were just kneeling at football games? I mean people were already dying: Philandro Castro, Eric Garner, etc etc.

The Charles Kinsey video especially got to me. He survived but the whole time he was the most concerned with protecting the kid under his care. He was on the ground, a clearly gentle and kind dude and he was still shot.

It would have been nice if people didn't feel the need to risk their lives to stop more people dying. But that's the only thing that seemed to get through.

Trump dismissed the movement but even he is now signing into law a police certification system that might help address this at least a little. That is not something they even concerned themselves with when Pence was walking out of NFL games.

P.S. I will respond directly now. I don't want to be accused of ignoring your points. I think I can easily reply to them. Police have been accused of excessive force and abusing powers for decades. We have had riots and looting before. But, what is so special about NOW? Suddenly, there's a political demand to DEFUND THE POLICE? WTF?!? What is going on here? Does this make sense? Sure, get rid of the police. Then what?

I noticed that there was one (at least? More?) city in the US in which the military/National Guard was called in. You had Military on the streets to keep order! As more police are cut, this will happen more. If you liberals think it's bad now....and it won't matter which party is in the White House.

What you leftists support is absurd and your lack of reasoning and critical thinking skills is pathetic. My screaming tinnitus is debilitating but I can still somewhat discuss/post things. I know I'd be more capable if normal but the point is people should be able to do the minimum. There's so much conflicting info and illogical reporting plus biased, liberal propaganda, it's easy to see through.

 

[Lane]

It fairly astonishes me that so many people try to make an issue out of Biden's mental competency, and neglect to mention Trump's all to many examples of "cognitive dissonance". Here's just the latest, which I have to admit, I was able to get a bit of a chuckle out of:

His [Pence's] new offensive came a day after Trump made the illogical statement that if the US stopped testing, there would be no more coronavirus cases.
​

The following is from AN ARTICLE in the Los Angeles Times:

The Trump campaign is trying to cast Biden as a doddering old man, too forgetful to be president. It's the same gambit they used on Hillary Clinton, whose "stamina" was called into question by Trump, who — remember? — became a laughingstock when he refused to walk 700 yards for a photo op with other G7 leaders in Sicily and had to be transported by golf cart.

Here's the thing: Everybody forgets stuff. -- Everybody misspeaks now and then. -- But Biden, after eight years as vice president and 36 years in the Senate, could have forgotten half of what he knows and still have a better grip on the world than Trump does. -- I'll take common decency and empathy over cruelty and narcissism any day...​

 

[Watasha]

It fairly astonishes me that so many people try to make an issue out of Biden's mental competency, and neglect to mention Trump's all to many examples of "cognitive dissonance". Here's just the latest, which I have to admit, I was able to get a bit of a chuckle out of:

His [Pence's] new offensive came a day after Trump made the illogical statement that if the US stopped testing, there would be no more coronavirus cases.​

He's actually spot on with that statement....case counts are determined by confirmed cases through lab testing. He wasn't saying that there would actually be ZERO, or ALMOST zero actual cases throughout the country, but that reported cases would show very little. It is the opposite of when they INCREASED testing in April and warned us that we will see MORE cases (some may think are spikes) because we are testing MORE, which is why we need to focus on the percent positive as well. It's completely logical, you just hate him.

Late add: I don't think those were his words exactly either. His discrepancies do come into play depending on how he wants to convey his message. Sometimes he blames testing, and sometimes he praises testing.

 

[Lane]

I'm not a Trump supporter but doesn't it bother you that our institutions FBI, DOJ, CIA were all in on trying to dig dirt on a presidential candidate ?

Hi @Carlos1 -- I'm happy to see you're not a Trump supporter. Regarding your question, I would have been bothered if the FBI, DOJ, and CIA were not involved in trying to figure out what was going on between the Trump campaign and the Russians. I could list so many things why it was necessary, from almost everyone in the Trump campaign lieing about their contacts with the Russians, to the campaign sharing polling data with the Russians. I mean, who does that???

Regarding whether the Trump campaign ever solicited any kind of support for their campaign from a foreign government (which I believe is against the law), take a look at this new information that's set to come out in John Bolton's new book. He's still at it! And Bolton is certainly not some die hard liberal. He's got a long conservative record in government, and has been a frequent "contributor" on FOX news. I suspect his book is going to come across as very, very credible.

Trump asked China's Xi to help him win reelection, according to Bolton book

June 17, 2020 at 12:25 p.m. PDT

President Trump asked Chinese President Xi Jinping to help him win the 2020 U.S. election, telling Xi during a summit dinner last year that increased agricultural purchases by Beijing from American farmers would aid his electoral prospects, according to a damning new account of life inside the Trump administration by former national security adviser John Bolton.

During a one-on-one meeting at the June 2019 Group of 20 summit in Japan, Xi complained to Trump about China critics in the United States. But Bolton writes in a book scheduled to be released next week that "Trump immediately assumed Xi meant the Democrats. Trump said approvingly that there was great hostility among the Democrats.

"He then, stunningly, turned the conversation to the coming U.S. presidential election, alluding to China's economic capability to affect the ongoing campaigns, pleading with Xi to ensure he'd win," Bolton writes. "He stressed the importance of farmers, and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome. I would print Trump's exact words but the government's prepublication review process has decided otherwise."

Bolton's 592-page memoir, obtained by The Washington Post, is the most substantive, critical dissection of the president from an administration insider so far, coming from a conservative who has worked in Republican administrations for decades and is a longtime contributor to Fox News. It portrays Trump as an "erratic" and "stunningly uninformed" commander in chief, and lays out a long series of jarring and troubling encounters between the president, his top advisers and foreign leaders.​

 

[Watasha]

@FGGbut doesn't it bother you that our institutions FBI, DOJ, CIA were all in on trying to dig dirt on a presidential candidate ? Our government used the FISA courts to spy on our own citizens. This is not what FISA was instituted for and the fact that the Democrates used it as a weapon is eye opening.

I didn't see @Lane address your legitimate concerns on FISA abuse.

 

[AtlasFainted]

I object to treating any group as a monolithic block and talking down to them (think "dear white people" sort of language). Nobody appreciates that but it's a lot easier to give those messages than receive them hence the hypocrisy. I also don't think the news should be involved in social engineering. Journalism has become a bastion for activist. To be fair, this started with Fox news but the left is now using the same tactics. I object to social engineering in general. You can't impose "right-think". You can open conversations, yes. Get people to think, yes. But preaching isn't a conversation. It's coercion.

I feel the same way about corporations who are also ideological mouthpieces. Remember the Gillette ad? We are a seriously messed up country if we think we should all learn how to behave as human beings from watching ads for razor blades and don't even get me started on heavy-handed movies and TV.

"White people need to be reeducated" is also a blantantly racist statement.

It's just as ridiculous as a blanket statement such as "latinos need to work harder" or "blacks need to stop being criminals".

MLK said judge a person by their character, not by their skin color. This seems all but forgotten in 2020.

 

[AtlasFainted]

Not voting is a vote for Trump.

Or maybe it's simply not supporting either of the two parties that don't care about you.

Trump & Biden are both cut from the same cloth. Creepy narcissists who would be in retirement homes screaming at their pudding cups by now if they weren't so rich & powerful.

If you stand 100% behind either of these men you should check your premise...