2020 US Presidential Election
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I think Austria proposed setting a minimum price for airline tickets to fight low-cost tourism, massive tourism. It was at least announced in the press. I am not totally sure if it was approved in Austria.
You're wrong. Spanish people are not in favour of receiving tons of refugees and illegal immigrants.
It was Angela Merkel who said Germany would welcome 1 million refugees from the Syrian war (another US absurdity) in 2016.
So it is about time the US is held accountable and takes responsibility for its actions. I think the refugees from the Afghan war should go to the US, which is the country that started the conflict and created the whole mess.
MemberFor the umpteenth time, Afghanistan, with bin Laden, started this war by attacking the United States and killing three thousand innocent people, on 9/11/2001. The country of Afghanistan refused to hand bin Laden over to us, he kept threatening to launch more, even deadlier, attacks, and we had to stop him - which we did.
What is it about this that you do not understand?
You don't understand this was a reaction to the Gulf War the US started in the 90s, and to the war in Irak which was started by the US on fake evidence, pretending Irak possessed weapons of mass destruction, which was not true. Actually the US even forced an UN resolution on those "weapons of mass destructions" they had invented.. it was all made up by the US.
The Republicans who started those wars on fake evidence should have taken the responsibility for it and legal action should have been taken against them.
And again, a COUNTRY does NOT know where terrorists hide, and this is no exception in Afghanistan either. I wish we had known in Spain; we would have saved ourselves from decades of terrorism.
This is like Spain saying to France "hey, hand over those ETA terrorist". And of course the French want to find those terrorists too, but they just don't know where they are hiding.
Why doesn't Spanish citizens demand that their government say NO?
Of course, you have no answer.
Afghanistan was totally uncooperative, they didn't say that they could not find bin Laden, they said that they would not hand him over to the United States. If they had said that they could not locate him, but would cooperate with the United States in trying to find him, that would have been a different situation, entirely.
After 9/11, Osama Bin Laden had promised more attacks against the citizens of the United States, I am very glad that this was not permitted to happen. I'm sorry about the collateral damage and the loss of American and other allied countries' service members' lives, but invading Afghanistan was something that had to be done, unless of course we simply bombed them relentlessly, and killed a few hundred thousand of them, which is perhaps the better choice if we must fight them again.
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You're lucky to have such a landlord. Not all landlords are willing to open their wallets for something like maintenance costs and there are a lot of people who just have to suck it up because they have nowhere else to go. If it's government owned, well, that's not always perfect (certainly not in the Netherlands), but there are often a clear set of rules to which a public house cooperation is obligated, such as covering security of tenure, rent, rent increases and maintenance.
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I've never heard of this case and I don't know why he would be glorified for what he had done. There's not a lot of people here who are anti-police, for instance.
It has nothing to do with "luck", it is the law that landlords must provide the basic services that you pay for, otherwise, you can take them to housing court. If the landlord does not comply, he can be fined in addition to paying for whatever it is he has neglected.
I should have made it clearer. The landlord of my 80-year-old multi-dwelling six-story building owns multiple apartment buildings, and they are all part of a company, which has an office with employees who answer the phones. The buildings have superintendents who live in one of the apartments, who you go to if you have a problem with the water, heat, repairs, etc. If they do not respond or are not available, you can call the landlord. This is a very common thing in metropolitan areas of the United States.
Over 20 years later, since I was there, they are still at it. It's a fringe group, I guess, in the Netherlands. It is not surprising then, that you have not heard of it. But the French did name a street after this man, in Paris. Other countries have support networks for the killer, as well.
https://www.garda.com/fr/crisis24/a...therlands-demonstration-in-amsterdam-april-20
So you think this was necessary:
US airstrikes killed at least 22,000 civilians since 9/11, analysis finds | Global development | The Guardian
Hahaha you have to be kidding. For a start Spanish people demonstrated against the Irak war!
Go learn some history
That is terrible, but so was 9/11. If Afghanistan had not declared war on us by allowing bin Laden to operate, it would not have happened. War is never nice.
Trump suggested, in 2015, that we should kill the family of terrorists since the terrorists themselves have no problem with death for themselves. The jihadists don't care about their own lives, but how would they feel about their families being targeted if they commit jihad? This could possibly work to reduce the number of terrorists willing to pull suicide missions.
Well, so for you it seems to be ok that the US just killed 22.000 innocent civilians...
And no, Afghanistan did NOT declare war on the US. You can think whatever you want, that's one thing... but you cannot alter the truth.
I agree that twenty years was way too long to be there. We could have nuked the hills where bin Laden and Al Qaeda were hiding, in 2001, and the conflict would have been over in one day.
That's not very nice, you know.Hahaha you have to be kidding. For a start Spanish people demonstrated against the Irak war!
Go learn some history
I am sure you knew I was referring to the draconian COVID-19 measures in your country. That is much more important to protest than the US doing some bombing or whatever - it's right there! Americans can protest what military complex BS they do. But, I think you knew what I meant. You just wanted to take a shot at me. Shame.
P.S. You didn't directly answer me. It was not a personal critique of you either. I was just saying that Spaniards should say, "no, we are not accepting any more refugees/migrants, whatever. " End of story. I just don't think you will have an answer. Most people are leftists, neutral (indifferent) and the very few people who object, are called extremist/far right and are vilified with no say, anyway.
This post/reply is way longer than I planned. I hope it's clear I am not attacking but just trying to clarify my point.
We should have nuked the hills and mountains where Al Qaeda and Bin Laden were hiding, but that would have been considered unacceptable by the rest of the world, thus 22,000 casualties.
I have thus far held off from asking this, but what should we have done when Osama bin Laden hed a terrorist attack from Afghanistan, killing 3,000 Americans and proclaimed that more such attacks were forthcoming? What should our response have been?
Innocent civilians killed is the unfortunate by-product of war, as a result of back and forth attacks, since the beginning of time. Just most recently, under Biden's epic failed withdrawal, a drone strike killed 10 members of a single family in Kabul. Had the terrorists not attacked first and killed/injured dozens (including non-military) at the airport (which could have been easily avoided), this particular strike would not have happened.
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I think he is saying the 3000 Americans were killed in response to us killing civilians? I don't know. It's like the same stuff between you guys daily lol.
Republicans make war
Al qaeda should die
Republican bad
Taliban bad
Republicans are devil
They killed Americans
Republicans are orange
Bin laden needed to die
Orange man bad
Something about expensive homes
Unga republicans bunga
Kamalaalalalalalalalalallahahahahahhaha cackle
I am not saying that there could have been 22.000 civilians killed by the US.
I am saying there were 22.000 innocent civilians killed by the US.
It seems you can only see your angle, but you do not understand the whole situation and how absurd Republican wars produced it.
Oh yeah... we saw that in Japan when the US dropped atomic bombs on civil population. We also saw it in Vietnam.
More recently we saw that in Irak and Afghanistan.
But we are against it, Spanish people are against it. Democracy is just hijacked here completely. Illegal immigration and the successive waves of refugees are a business ruled and run by bureaucrats and fake NGOs. Do you know how much those EU officials specialised in immigration and refugees make? They earn a ton of money out of creating problems for others.
It was the same about the Irak war. Spanish people did NOT support the war. We did NOT want to be part of the whole US nonsense going on in Irak. Spanish people demonstrated repeatedly against the Irak war.
It was that fool of Aznar who sold our country and sealed a deal at the Azores with Bush and Tony Blair to get Spain involved in the war.
In war, from the perspective of the "good" side, you have to pick the lesser of two evils. Name a major war where innocent civilians did not die.
You have not answered the question as to what we should have done in response to the attacks of 9/11, to stop bin Laden from carrying out further attacks.
Every single thing that Biden does, is wrong. He has failed to control COVID-19, the withdrawal from Afghanistan is a disaster and continues to be, there are jobs but unemployed people do not want to fill them because Biden is making unemployment financially attractive with generous government payouts, inflation is rising fast with prices going through the roof, and his disapproval ratings are high while his approval ratings are sinking.
I did not vote for him and didn't expect much when he was inaugurated, but he has greatly surpassed my expectations of just how bad he could be.
I did not vote for him and didn't expect much when he was inaugurated, but he has greatly surpassed my expectations of just how bad he could be.
Yes, the war started in the Middle East was a mistake. I don't know how anyone could disagree with that (?)
That said, it was started in the interests of nefarious characters occupying the infamous 1% we heard so much about several years ago, under the pretence of a terror attack. It's no coincidence that it suited some very wealthy people to invade the Middle East just around the same time Trash-Laden (Oscar Nominee 10 years in a row) decided to have his guys plough a couple of planes directly into those towers. Not to mention all the evidence that made that whole event seem sketchy as f*ck.
But US involvement in the Middle East is (and should always have been) a necessity.
Because:
a) Without western facilitation, you just end up with despicable factions of extreme Islamists popping up all over the place, brutalising their own people and blowing themselves up in any countries boarder they manage to penetrate.
b) China is making large inroads in the Middle East through investment (especially in Pakistan), as a gateway to controlling and monopolising the mass of natural resources found in countries like Afghanistan. This is exactly the approach the US and it's allies should have taken; making peaceful trade and investment, thus ensuring a peaceful influence on the culture and a secure long-term harvesting of natural resources in said countries.
Again, nefarious characters in top positions with a lot to gain, wanted to test out their new toy, developed for them (innocently I might add) by the genius mind of Robert Oppenheimer, who expressed deep regret at it's use.
But make no mistake, if that bomb hadn't been dropped, Japan would have continued it's kamikaze attacks on the US and progressed it's trail of rape and murder through China.
You can be assured, there are plenty of Chinese (and even young Japanese men and their families) who were very grateful for the events of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
No offense, I like you @Juan, but I think you need a little perspective here:
The difference being that neither Irak nor Afghanistan ever declared war on the US: it was a conflict started unilaterally by US Republicans on fake evidence, like the non-existent weapons of mass destruction.
