Yet, Swedes vote for them.
You can't support a welfare state if you are causing people to flee the country (due to high taxes, crime, decaying schools, migrant insanity etc.).
It amazes me too. But in my opinion, there's a broader issue in the entire parliament. No one seem to have a long term plan to set things right, and most debates I've seen has rarely been objective, just a bunch of name calling.
If I'm not mistaken, the right wing did at least raise objections as the situation started to escalate. The problem was that the politicians in charge did not think for themselves, but relied purely on what the Swedish Public Health Agency said.
I pay 1/3 of my income in tax, and I'm totally okay with that, as I support the idea of a welfare state. I'd say most people here, except the very rich, are alright with this high tax. The problem with crime and education are complex, and I don't think it's necessarily due to it being a welfare state, as both of those things have been much better historically.
Right wing has been calling left wing socialist or communist since 1950 at least. That is getting old. Hard to have a discussion with someone. Did you ever here of the McCarthy hearings, since I suppose you arent in US? I am sure Sweden has a healthy Nazi contingent, and they probably love Trump too.
Nobody should be subject to name calling, regardless of where one is placed on the political scale. I guess the difference here is that pretty much every party in the Swedish parliament supports a good welfare state, everyone's Socialists. Pretty much the only ones who are being called communists today are "Left Party" whose official name was "Left Party – the Communists" up until the 1990s.
You do you.
If they obviously hold a Nazi ideology, then yes, but if they simply have conservative values, then no. I'm not going to comment on that because I do not know the details. I only share what is my experience in the Swedish debate.
How can Trump be both be pro-Israel and be a Nazi? Besides having some family who are Jews, he moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem which is what the more religious Jews wanted.
People like Paul and Juan use the same media talking points. Conservatives harbor hate, are racists, homophobic etc and paints that picture that EVERYONE is this way. This is just not true, I have yet to meet anyone that meets that criteria who votes Republican. A little nuts yeah lol, but that applies to both sides. My democratic friends say the same crap as these guys do here... I've heard it so much I just go "yup, sure, mmhmm" and carry on.
You see that is the thing. It isn't obvious, people don't realize they have been sucked into something. Propaganda works.
They are not trying to "set things right." If anything, they create a problem and then declare themselves as the rightful problem solvers or the best candidates to "fix" it.
In Western nations, if not all nations, most mainstream parties are some variation of leftist/left-wing party, with various degrees of ideology, fitting into a related category of socialism, communism and nowadays, increasingly far-left. Or they enable or support far-left organizations, groups and far-left ideology in general.
I pay even more tax and I live in Spain.
The left's logic in a nutshell (re: Paul's comment):
Corporations support leftist policies since they perceive it as profitable in our modern world and for most, they can find advantages. Also, they perceive most of their customers as liberal and left-leaning, politically, so they only care about image and profit.
I already addressed those remarks
I agree that part of it was the loose immigration policy, but also things like the major reorganization of the police, reorganization of the schooling system, e.t.c. key decisions that turned out to be not very good. I fail to see how the problems are just because it's a "welfare state". Crime can thrive regardless of whether it's a welfare state or not, how's that even related? And we got plenty of freedom, we can't just buy a gun however we want.
That's the reason it's hard to compare the Swedish political climate to many other nations, because all parties just make up varying degrees of Socialism. As you said, there are not really any true hardcore "right wing", but I think it's more about "conservative values" vs. "progressive ones", to put it loosely.
Another great example is Elon Musk. His companies get tax breaks on building their plants and the government heavily subsidizes his industries. I read SpaceX is seeking a 16 billion in subsidies. Tesla has received billions in subsidies. He is worth 313 billion, several times the subsidies and loans he receives. He is now richest in the world. If he is smart, he pays next to zero on federal taxes.
Where did you address it?I already addressed those remarks
I agree that part of it was the loose immigration policy, but also things like the major reorganization of the police, reorganization of the schooling system, e.t.c. key decisions that turned out to be not very good. I fail to see how the problems are just because it's a "welfare state". Crime can thrive regardless of whether it's a welfare state or not, how's that even related? And we got plenty of freedom, we can't just buy a gun however we want.
That's the reason it's hard to compare the Swedish political climate to many other nations, because all parties just make up varying degrees of Socialism. As you said, there are not really any true hardcore "right wing", but I think it's more about "conservative values" vs. "progressive ones", to put it loosely.
Check my quotations above;
I don't know if we're arguing or what, because I kinda do agree with most of what you're saying. I've stated that the issue is in the entire parliament. I don't believe any certain party will be able to save us, as of right now at least.
Yes, I live in Spain. This is a tax hell, and very bureaucratic. It's hard to do anything. There is always tons of paperwork, licences etc involved.
For me the important issue is getting results on this and making those billionaires pay taxes like we all do. In Spain the maximum income tax is close to 50%.Corporations support leftist policies since they perceive it as profitable in our modern world and for most, they can find advantages. Also, they perceive most of their customers as liberal and left-leaning, politically, so they only care about image and profit.
Think about it.
Their financial support, marketing, promotion and advertising is towards what most will perceive as leftist/western culture (leftist "values").
Another e.g. even though BLM set fire to corporate businesses, they went out of their way to assert their support.
There's so many examples, yet people still try to claim as these billionaires and billion dollar businesses with the right - they're affiliated with "Republican donors," they must be on the right.
The nightmare is the pseudo-economy created by that idiot who "runs" the FED and at the same time trades with his private money while deciding on interest rates. His name is Jerome Powell.
I never said it's due to the Welfare state. But, Sweden utilizes it so that citizens keep their heads in the sand. Their decision to import millions of migrants and put them on welfare increases the financial burden.
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