2020 US Presidential Election

[FGG]

Biden was talking about labor unions in general, not specifically cop unions. The PBA in NYC supports Trump. They usually don't take sides, this year is different.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/08/15/nypd-police-benevolent-association-endorses-president-trump/

Last summer some cops knocked down a 75 year old man in Buffalo, at a demonstration, which put him in the hospital When Gov. Cuomo spoke of it on his daily coronavirus briefing, he said that he couldn't do anything about the cops who did this, because they "have a contract", with a little glace at the camera, but that's all he would say. He knows very well what the score is: Cop Unions 100% the Public 0%.

Can't really answer the question, except to say that nobody in government wants to tackle this very difficult issue.

Here's a Democrat who has shown her true colors, regarding cop unions, and her refusal to prosecute bad cops.

https://www.businessinsider.com/amy...ce-union-pacs-vice-president-contender-2020-6

Klobuchar was my second or third last choice. I don't trust her at all.

The Martin Gugino case was horrible. If you watch the footage, the cops who did that just kept walking and it was the National Guard who checked on him to see if it was ok.

But since he came up and you brought up that it is slander to assert unproven accusations how do you feel about Trump publicly asserting that Gugino was "Antifa" when he clearly wasn't and was part of a Catholic peace activism group instead?

 

[GlennS]

Hahaha then the US is going to bail out 100% of its population in one way or another. Is there enough money for that? How much the US dollar will be worth after printing so much paper?

We bailed out the banks, the auto industry, etc... back in 2008, but NOW people are asking whether we can afford this?

Slanderous stories about President Trump were published by The Atlantic, last Thursday, which Trump denied are true.

Well, gee. If Trump denies it, he must be trustworthy. Sort of like how Trump feels about Putin's denials. Says a lot about your view of politics.

Here's Trump's modus operandi (and level of maturity) right here:

 

[Born To Slay]

If the US, and the world in general, had been more cautious about risks and interest rates that are too low, now we would not have an economic problem... maybe bailing out everyone AGAIN will only make matters worse.

This is not the fault of your average American, the primary recipients of the bailout funds. This isn't like when we bailed out the banks 10 years ago, this pandemic really isn't the fault of anyone for the most part. Yes risks and interest rates are factors but the economy is primarily in the shitter because of the pandemic.

 

[Born To Slay]

Why not just 5 trillion or 10 trillion?

I guess liberals vote for Democrats because they believe it'll be another 20 trillion for everyone except for rich people who can provide part of that. Everyone parties and they will even allocate 30 trillion for tinnitus suffers. I am on board then. Go Biiiiiiiiiidennn..!

It's common practice to deficit spend when the economy is struggling. I'm not sure why passing a stimulus in a time of economic crisis is controversial. And yes I know you are skeptical of the pandemic but for those who aren't, they agree some level aid is necessary, even the republicans agree we need at least a trillion in stimulus spending.

 

[Luman]

Klobuchar was my second or third last choice. I don't trust her at all.

The Martin Gugino case was horrible. If you watch the footage, the cops who did that just kept walking and it was the National Guard who checked on him to see if it was ok.

But since he came up and you brought up that it is slander to assert unproven accusations how do you feel about Trump publicly asserting that Gugino was "Antifa" when he clearly wasn't and was part of a Catholic peace activism group instead?

I generally don't follow the tweets and that kind of thing, so I looked it up.

Trump tweeted:

"Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up"

He said "appears", and "could be", not stating anything as a fact. It was only a tweet. If Trump wants to explore the news on Twitter, and such, on his own time, it's fine with me. I have not seen the video. It probably did look suspicious to him. He didn't say that the man deserved to be pushed by the police.

After reading a little more about Gugino, a far-left do-gooder, he (Gugino) probably would not oppose the police having unions, because that is out of step with the rhetoric of the left. Only the true Progressives, seem to understand that the cop unions are bad news. Many not on the left would agree that cop unions are not a good thing.

My conclusion, based on experience with leftist agitators: Gugino should not have been pushed, but he was likely acting antagonistic, and the cops were at fault. I don't know his opinion on the matter, but he probably would not be in favor of eliminating the police unions and firing all cops with complaints against them. He will likely support Biden, who is very union friendly. Gugino sounds like a first rate chump.

 

[PeteJ]

It's common practice to deficit spend when the economy is struggling. I'm not sure why passing a stimulus in a time of economic crisis is controversial. And yes I know you are skeptical of the pandemic but for those who aren't, they agree some level aid is necessary, even the republicans agree we need at least a trillion in stimulus spending.

Sigh.

Okay. Why not print $100 trillion then? Won't that fix the economy?

 

[Juan]

This is not the fault of your average American, the primary recipients of the bailout funds. This isn't like when we bailed out the banks 10 years ago, this pandemic really isn't the fault of anyone for the most part. Yes risks and interest rates are factors but the economy is primarily in the shitter because of the pandemic.

I think people have taken risks they did not accurately measure and there is going to be a lot of pain.

Have a look at NASDAQ today just as an appetizer. People have put their bets on illiquid assets like real estate, using leverage, and there will probably be a wave of foreclosures. The irresponsibility lies on not measuring risk properly.

 

[Luman]

We bailed out the banks, the auto industry, etc... back in 2008, but NOW people are asking whether we can afford this?

Well, gee. If Trump denies it, he must be trustworthy. Sort of like how Trump feels about Putin's denials. Says a lot about your view of politics.

Here's Trump's modus operandi (and level of maturity) right here

I don't really care about Putin, he's got his hands full as well. Trump had this country in great shape until the pandemic hit, and he will start to restore the economy, once there's a vaccine, which appears to be on the horizon very soon.

 

[Born To Slay]

Sigh.

Okay. Why not print $100 trillion then? Won't that fix the economy?

So just so I understand, are you opposed to any deficit spending at anytime? Because if so, that's your opinion and you have a right to it. That said, the difference between a few trillion dollars to fill in the whole because of a depression and printing 100 trillion should be fairly obvious.

I think people have taken risks they did not accurately measure and there is going to be a lot of pain.

Have a look at NASDAQ today just as an appetizer. People have put their bets on illiquid assets like real estate, using leverage, and there will probably be a wave of foreclosures. The irresponsibility lies on not measuring risk properly.

Most of the bailout money isn't going to people who get to make big bets though, most of the money outlined in the heroes act is going to the working class who are struggling to make ends meet.

 

[Born To Slay]

I generally don't follow the tweets and that kind of thing, so I looked it up.

Trump tweeted:

"Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up"

He said "appears", and "could be", not stating anything as a fact. It was only a tweet. If Trump wants to explore the news on Twitter, and such, on his own time, it's fine with me. I have not seen the video. It probably did look suspicious to him. He didn't say that the man deserved to be pushed by the police.

After reading a little more about Gugino, a far-left do-gooder, he (Gugino) probably would not oppose the police having unions, because that is out of step with the rhetoric of the left. Only the true Progressives, seem to understand that the cop unions are bad news. Many not on the left would agree that cop unions are not a good thing.

My conclusion, based on experience with leftist agitators: Gugino should not have been pushed, but he was likely acting antagonistic, and the cops were at fault. I don't know his opinion on the matter, but he probably would not be in favor of eliminating the police unions and firing all cops with complaints against them. He will likely support Biden, who is very union friendly. Gugino sounds like a first rate chump.

A few things:

1. Saying someone "could be" something without any evidence whatsoever, is still a smear. It'd be like if I said my local cashier could be a murderer with no evidence and just walked away. There is no excuse for this, he's the president. He should know better. And while he didn't out right he should've been pushed, that's the implication. When a man is assaulted and you out of nowhere baselessly accuse the man of being a terrorist agitator (remember he views ANTIFA as terrorists), it's obvious what you're trying to say.

2. Trump has been endorsed by the police unions, meaning the unions think Trump will be more friendly to them than Biden. So if Gugino does vote for Biden, he'll be voting against the police unions preferred candidate. Seems pretty common sense to me.

 

[Tanni]

Trigger warning for RW snowflakes

I came across this video and thought it was cool. Fictional depiction of Thaddeus Stevens opposing slavery before Congress (the real kind, not the kind talked about in this thread). He had to pretend not to believe black and white citizens were equal in order to appease racists (sound familiar?). His opponett was racist, and this was his response to him.



Look him up if you dare; he was excellent.

 

[Luman]

A few things:

1. Saying someone "could be" something without any evidence whatsoever, is still a smear. It'd be like if I said my local cashier could be a murderer with no evidence and just walked away. There is no excuse for this, he's the president. He should know better. And while he didn't out right he should've been pushed, that's the implication. When a man is assaulted and you out of nowhere baselessly accuse the man of being a terrorist agitator (remember he views ANTIFA as terrorists), it's obvious what you're trying to say.

2. Trump has been endorsed by the police unions, meaning the unions think Trump will be more friendly to them than Biden. So if Gugino does vote for Biden, he'll be voting against the police unions preferred candidate. Seems pretty common sense to me.

Demonstrators demand something be done about bad cops. Their preferred candidate, Joe Biden, supports the unions, who enable and protect bad cops, the very people that the demonstrators are up in arms about. They don't even realize the irony of this.

It's so unbelievably stupid, and mind boggling, that I wonder, at times, if perhaps I've lost my mind.

 

[FGG]

A few things:

1. Saying someone "could be" something without any evidence whatsoever, is still a smear. It'd be like if I said my local cashier could be a murderer with no evidence and just walked away. There is no excuse for this, he's the president. He should know better. And while he didn't out right he should've been pushed, that's the implication. When a man is assaulted and you out of nowhere baselessly accuse the man of being a terrorist agitator (remember he views ANTIFA as terrorists), it's obvious what you're trying to say.

2. Trump has been endorsed by the police unions, meaning the unions think Trump will be more friendly to them than Biden. So if Gugino does vote for Biden, he'll be voting against the police unions preferred candidate. Seems pretty common sense to me.

Trump implicates people in all sorts of things all the time but phrases it with enough hint of plausible deniability that his followers can just accuse people of taking it the wrong way.

Like when he accused Ted Cruz's dad of being involved in JFK's shooting but worded it as "he was with Oswald right before the shooting and the media should look into that." Notice Trump always says "people say..." Or "they should look into..." and never names his sources.

When asked if he regrets the suggestion about Cruz's Dad, he said "well it all worked out." No wonder his followers don't see his faults because he doesn't admit to them and his words are absolute fact to them.

Trump's response for calling for the death penalty for the Central Park 5 after they were found innocent with DNA evidence was not an apology but rather: "You have people on both sides of that."

https://time.com/5597843/central-park-five-trump-history/

He *still* won't accept that he was wrong about that and even recently said when asked about it again: "Tell me, what were they doing in the Park, playing checkers?" This is the same tactic he used with Gugino and there is something really pathological about that. And his supporters never call him out on it.

Trump even bragged about this. He said he could "stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody" and not "lose any voters." I bet Keith Raniere is jealous af.

 

[Born To Slay]

Demonstrators demand something be done about bad cops. Their preferred candidate, Joe Biden, supports the unions, who enable and protect bad cops, the very people that the demonstrators are up in arms about. They don't even realize the irony of this.

It's so unbelievably stupid, and mind boggling, that I wonder, at times, if perhaps I've lost my mind.

And despite this love affair between Biden and unions, the unions want Trump. If almost every police union in America endorses Donald Trump, then it only stands to reason that Trump is better for the interests of police unions. The only way that's not true is if the unions are all idiots, which clearly isn't the case.

Yes it's true that neither candidate is good on this issue but if neither candidate is good on this issue, how can you blame people for voting for the candidate that at least hasn't been outright endorsed by these unions?

 

[all to gain]

@all to gain, you might find these articles interesting (or entertaining, depending on your p.o.v.)?:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/...red-him-a-bribe-to-impose-covid-restrictions/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...onditional-imposing-extreme-lockdowns-curfews

I think it's believable/feasible. It's not the first time banks and NGOs tried to intimidate/bribe a country (and its government) into adhering to an agenda.

I guess this is off topic but we have mentioned Russia/Ukraine/Belarus here, right?

The short answer is I don't know.

When I saw your post the first thing I did was check the websites you've linked to see their agenda:

"Over time, Zero Hedge expanded into non-financial analysis, such as conspiracy theories and fringe rhetoric that has been associated with the US radical right and a pro-Russian bias. Zero Hedge's non-financial commentary has led to a number of Site bans by various global social media platforms, although its 2019 Facebook ban and 2020 Twitter ban were later reversed."

That said I wouldn't put it past the World Bank and IMF to offer bribes of sorts to help its agenda. I'd be surprised if they aren't at it all the time. At the same time, Lukashenko bringing this to light in his case, if true, is for nothing other than political gain.

This thread is a free-for-all: anything is up for discussion.

 

[Luman]

And despite this love affair between Biden and unions, the unions want Trump. If almost every police union in America endorses Donald Trump, then it only stands to reason that Trump is better for the interests of police unions. The only way that's not true is if the unions are all idiots, which clearly isn't the case.

Yes it's true that neither candidate is good on this issue but if neither candidate is good on this issue, how can you blame people for voting for the candidate that at least hasn't been outright endorsed by these unions?

I have decided to vote for Trump because he is the more honest candidate. Neither one of them are going to risk going against the unions, so we might as well put Biden on the sidelines with that woman. Biden is letting the progressives lead him along like a lost dog. The woman that he chose, is a disaster waiting to happen, should he (Biden) win, and expire or be forced to leave the presidency due to failing health. He is making promises that he has no intention of keeping, whereas Trump, on the other hand, has a pretty good track record of keeping his promises and when he doesn't, there's usually good reason for it.

In the meantime, the bad cops will remain on the unionized police department's payrolls. I would suggest that unless it's absolutely necessary, don't talk to the cops. Don't push their buttons, call them names, or antagonize them in any way. Just steer clear of them, whenever possible. This is common sense, but apparently many people are deficient in this area, from all backgrounds, when it comes to police officers.

 

[all to gain]

We really haven't had a healthy amount of true patriotism in the US since WWII.

Patriotism seems to be a dirty word to some.

I wonder how many in this thread can say "I am a patriot" without having to add some qualifier? In fact, how many would say it even with a qualifier?

The UK lacks patriotism, and being a patriot in England seems to be belittled by some to the point where you can't even fly an English flag (or even a British one) without being shouted down.

 

[Luman]

President of the United States Donald J. Trump has been officially nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...tes-trump-for-nobel-peace-prize-idUSKBN2601R4

 

[aot]

I have decided to vote for Trump because he is the more honest candidate. Neither one of them are going to risk going against the unions, so we might as well put Biden on the sidelines with that woman. Biden is letting the progressives lead him along like a lost dog. The woman that he chose, is a disaster waiting to happen, should he (Biden) win, and expire or be forced to leave the presidency due to failing health. He is making promises that he has no intention of keeping, whereas Trump, on the other hand, has a pretty good track record of keeping his promises and when he doesn't, there's usually good reason for it.

In the meantime, the bad cops will remain on the unionized police department's payrolls. I would suggest that unless it's absolutely necessary, don't talk to the cops. Don't push their buttons, call them names, or antagonize them in any way. Just steer clear of them, whenever possible. This is common sense, but apparently many people are deficient in this area, from all backgrounds, when it comes to police officers.

Why does Trump continue to accept donations from White Supremacists? And why does he refuse to condemn them?

Why did he call countries in Africa shithole countries?

If Trump is going to do away with Police Unions, then why do Cops love him so much?

Why did Trump brag about assaulting women?

Why has Trump repeatedly insulted Anthony Fauci for doing his job? Why did he leave the W.H.O in the middle of a pandemic?

Why did he have the police assault peaceful protesters all for a photoshoot with a bible?

It's possible that I may have missed your responses, but it seems you keep dodging these questions.

 

[GlennS]

Why does Trump continue to accept donations from White Supremacists? And why does he refuse to condemn them?
Why did he call countries in Africa shithole countries?
If Trump is going to do away with Police Unions, then why do Cops love him so much?
Why did Trump brag about assaulting women?
Why has Trump repeatedly insulted Anthony Fauci for doing his job? Why did he leave the W.H.O in the middle of a pandemic?
Why did he have the police assault peaceful protesters all for a photoshoot with a bible?

Trump voters just don't care about any of this.

It's like what Michael Cohen said. It's a cult. And there is a BIIIG component of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" going on.

 

[all to gain]

President of the United States Donald J. Trump has been officially nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...tes-trump-for-nobel-peace-prize-idUSKBN2601R4

Reading that reminds me of the question of why the hell did Obama get awarded the prize only 8 or so months into his first term? He was nominated for it only two weeks after being in office

 

[DaveN]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-william-barr-justice-department-b420787.html

Why is he enlisting the help of the DOJ in his personal defamation case?

 

[Zugzug]

I have decided to vote for Trump because he is the more honest candidate. Neither one of them are going to risk going against the unions, so we might as well put Biden on the sidelines with that woman. Biden is letting the progressives lead him along like a lost dog. The woman that he chose, is a disaster waiting to happen, should he (Biden) win, and expire or be forced to leave the presidency due to failing health. He is making promises that he has no intention of keeping, whereas Trump, on the other hand, has a pretty good track record of keeping his promises and when he doesn't, there's usually good reason for it.

Why do you (often) address Trump as "President Trump" like he's some king to worship, while calling Kamala Harris "that woman"? Why not Senator Harris? Why is there such a vast difference in how you address them? You have made it clear that you think Harris got to where she is because of Willie Brown. Do you think Trump has a clean path to success? Do you think Trump's success is because of moral, honest, hard work?

I'm probably wasting my time posting this. It's a sickness and a cult.

 

[just1morething]

Trump implicates people in all sorts of things all the time but phrases it with enough hint of plausible deniability that his followers can just accuse people of taking it the wrong way.

Like when he accused Ted Cruz's dad of being involved in JFK's shooting but worded it as "he was with Oswald right before the shooting and the media should look into that." Notice Trump always says "people say..." Or "they should look into..." and never names his sources.

When asked if he regrets the suggestion about Cruz's Dad, he said "well it all worked out." No wonder his followers don't see his faults because he doesn't admit to them and his words are absolute fact to them.

Trump's response for calling for the death penalty for the Central Park 5 after they were found innocent with DNA evidence was not an apology but rather: "You have people on both sides of that."

https://time.com/5597843/central-park-five-trump-history/

He *still* won't accept that he was wrong about that and even recently said when asked about it again: "Tell me, what were they doing in the Park, playing checkers?" This is the same tactic he used with Gugino and there is something really pathological about that. And his supporters never call him out on it.

Trump even bragged about this. He said he could "stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody" and not "lose any voters." I bet Keith Raniere is jealous af.

@FGG, can we count on your vote for Trump this November? You know if Biden would win and his health failed or he expired, which no one wants to happen, Harris would be president, which of course would be a complete disaster. I think she possibly could be the anti-Christ as prosephied in the Bible.

 

[aot]

I think she possibly could be the anti-Christ as prosephied in the Bible.

It's hard to tell via text, but this is a joke, right?

 

[FGG]

Reading that reminds me of the question of why the hell did Obama get awarded the prize only 8 or so months into his first term? He was nominated for it only two weeks after being in office

Looks like Trump was nominated by a Norwegian right wing politician, not the Nobel Association.

I agree about Obama. He got the prize basically just for not being George W. Bush which in and of itself shouldn't be a reason for the prize. That was kind of ridiculous.

 

[FGG]

@FGG, can we count on your vote for Trump this November? You know if Biden would win and his health failed or he expired, which no one wants to happen, Harris would be president, which of course would be a complete disaster. I think she possibly could be the anti-Christ as prosephied in the Bible.

Let's put it this way, I detest the Neolib direction of the Democratic party and I am still voting for Biden who is a corporatist through and through because Trump is really that sketchy and immoral.

And Harris is not the "Anti Christ" because there isn't one among other reasons.

I have heard it argued that Trump is the biblical antichrist because there are 7 Trump Towers and he is supposed to come from the "great whore of Babylon" and Fred Trump originally made part of their money from prostitution at the Arctic Hotel he owned.

But it's all made up anyway just like the end of the world ending with the Mayan Calendar and other "doomsday" magic.

 

[FGG]

It's hard to tell via text, but this is a joke, right?

He's mentioned it twice now so I think somehow he's serious.

 

[aot]

He's mentioned it twice now so I think somehow he's serious.

I mean... I like The Omen as much as the next guy, but still...

 

[just1morething]

It's hard to tell via text, but this is a joke, right?

No, look at her affiliation with planned parenthood. What kind of God would approve of that?