2020 US Presidential Election

[Luman]

He panders to racists and white fear for their vote. He's been stoking racial tension for his benefit, when he could just as easily make speeches that encourage the coming together and healing of our great nation.

The below was April 14th 2020, nothing has changed with North Korea, It sounds like you are buying into his charisma and think world leaders will buy in to him the way Americans do. They don't.

North Korea fires barrage of missiles in weapons test

SEOUL, South Korea — A barrage of North Korean missiles fired from both the ground and fighter jets splashed down on the waters off the country's east coast on Tuesday, South Korea's military said.

The show of force comes on the eve of a key state anniversary in the North and parliamentary elections in the rival South.

The back-to-back launches were the latest in a series of weapons tests that North Korea has conducted in recent weeks amid stalled nuclear talks and outside worries about a possible coronavirus outbreak in the country.

North Korean troops based in the eastern coastal city of Munchon first launched several projectiles — presumed to be cruise missiles — on Tuesday morning, South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff said in a statement.​

Here's a record of what is publicly known, I started from 2017 as that was when President Trump came into office.

• February 11, 2017 North Korea test-fired a Pukkuksong-2 missile over the Sea of Japan. This was the first launch of the new medium-range ballistic missile.
• March 6, 2017 North Korea launches four ballistic missiles from the Tongchang-ri launch site in the northwest. Some flew 620 mi (1,000 km) before falling into the east sea.
• April 4, 2017 North Korea test-fired a medium-range ballistic missile from its eastern port of Sinpo into the Sea of Japan.
• April 15, 2017 North Korea test-fired an unidentified land-based missile from the naval base in Sinpo but it exploded almost immediately after the takeoff.
• April 28, 2017 North Korea test-fired an unidentified missile from Pukchang airfield. The missile, believed to be a medium-range KN-17 ballistic missile, faltered and broke apart minutes after liftoff.
• May 13, 2017 North Korea test-fired a Hwasong-12 missile from a test site in the area of Kusong. The missile, later revealed to be an intermediate range ballistic missile, traveled 30 minutes, reached an altitude of more than 2,111.5 km, and flew a horizontal distance of 789 km (489 miles), before falling into the Sea of Japan. Such a missile would have a range of at least 4,000, reaching Guam, to 6,000 km.
• May 21, 2017 North Korea test-fired another Pukkuksong-2 medium-range ballistic missile from Pukchang airfield, which traveled approximately 500 km (300 miles) before falling into the Sea of Japan. The missile landed about 350 km (217 miles) from North Korea's east coast.
• May 29, 2017 North Korea fired a Short Range Ballistic Missile into the Sea of Japan. It traveled 450 km.
• June 8, 2017 North Korea fired several missiles into the Sea of Japan. They are believed to be anti-ship missiles. The South Korean military said the launches show the reclusive regime's "precise targeting capability."
• June 23, 2017 North Korea tested a new rocket engine that could possibly be fitted to an intercontinental ballistic missile.
• July 4, 2017 North Korea tested its first intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) named Hwasong-14 on July 4. It launched from the Panghyon Aircraft Factory 8 km southeast of Panghyon Airport. It was aimed straight up at a lofted trajectory and reached more than 2,500 km into space. It landed 37 minutes later, more than 930 km from its launch site, into Japan's exclusive economic zone. Aiming long, the missile would have traveled 7,000–8,000 km or more, reaching Alaska, Hawaii, and possibly Seattle. Its operational range would be farther, bringing a 500 kg payload to targets in most of the contiguous United States 9,700 km away.
• July 28, 2017 The 14th missile test carried out by North Korea in 2017 was another ICBM launched at 23:41 North Korea time (15:41 GMT) from Chagang Province in the north of the country on July 28, 2017. Los Angeles, Denver, Chicago, Boston, and New York City appear to be within range. The missile's reentry vehicle (RV) was seen by people in Japan as it entered the atmosphere and landed near the northernmost Japanese island, Hokkaido. Analysis later revealed that the RV broke up on re-entry; further testing would be required. The CIA made an assessment expecting adequate performance of the RV under the different stresses of a shallower trajectory towards the continental US.
• August 26, 2017 North Korea test-fired three short-range ballistic missiles from the Kangwon Province on August 26. Two travel approximately 250 kilometers in a northeastern direction and one explodes immediately after launch.
• August 29, 2017 On August 29, 2017, at 6 AM local time, North Korea launched a ballistic missile over Northern Japan. The missile's short and low trajectory and its breakup into three pieces is consistent with the failure of a heavy post-boost vehicle.
• September 15, 2017 North Korea launched a ballistic missile on September 15 from Sunan airfield. It reached a height of 770 km and flew a distance of 3,700 km for 17 minutes over Hokkaido before landing in the Pacific.
• November 28, 2017 North Korea launched an ICBM from the vicinity of Pyongsong at 1:30pm EST/3:00am Pyongyang time. The rocket traveled for 50 minutes and reached 2800 miles (4,500 km) in height, both of which were new milestones. The missile flew 600 miles (1,000 km) east into the Sea of Japan; unlike summer launches, the Japanese government did not issue cellphone alerts to warn its citizens. North Korea called it a Hwasong-15 missile. Its potential range appears to be more than 8,000 miles (13,000 km), able to reach Washington and the rest of the continental United States. Much about the missile is unknown. The missile might have been fitted with a mock warhead to increase its range, in which case the maximum missile range while carrying a heavy warhead might be shorter than 13,000 km. Based on satellite imagery, some experts believe that North Korea may now be able to fuel missiles horizontally, shortening the delay between when a missile becomes visible to when it can be launched. The rocket is believed to have broken up on re-entry into the atmosphere.
• May 4, 2019 North Korea launched several short-range projectiles from the vicinity of Wonsan on the country's east coast, one possibly a Russian Iskander missile which can make course corrections during its flight.
• May 9, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles from the vicinity of Sinori in North Pyongan Province (launch area also, in another source, identified as Kusong) at 4:29 p.m. and 4:49 p.m. local time.
• July 25, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles, believed to be of a new design.
• July 31, 2019 North Korea launched "several" short-range ballistic missiles.
• August 2, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles at 2:59 a.m. and 3:23 a.m. local time.
• August 24, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles from Sondok in South Hamgyong Province. Both fell in the Sea of Japan.
• September 10, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range projectiles from Kaechon shortly after proposing to resume denuclearization negotiations with the US. Both the projectiles fell into the sea off the North's east coast.
• October 2, 2019 North Korea test-fired a new-type submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) in the waters off Wonsan. The Republic of Korea Armed Forces said the missile, which was dubbed Pukguksong-3, flew about 450 kilometers and reached a maximum altitude of 910 kilometers, making it an intermediate-range ballistic missile. It fell into the exclusive economic zone of Japan off Shimane Prefecture. North Korea said the launch was successful.
• October 31, 2019 North Korea test-fired two short-range projectiles from Sunchon at 4:35 p.m. and 4:38 p.m. Both flew around 370 km and reached a maximum altitude of 90 km before falling in the Sea of Japan.
• November 28, 2019 North Korea test-launched two "short-range projectiles". Rocket exhaust was visible from Russia.
• March 2, 2020 North Korea carried out test-launch of two unidentified projectiles from eastwards over the sea from the Wonsan area on the east coast. Projectiles are equipped with an operational range of 240 kilometres, and capable to flew a height of 35 kilometres.

The above April 14th 2020 article is not listed here as the list has not been updated yet.

The Koreans have not fired an ICBM, since 2017.

The missiles since 2018 have been short range, not intercontinental ballistic.

 

[Luman]

........He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him.

@Juan A "Racist" would not make this speech. He condemned them all, in Charlottesville, VA: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-40930948

Another instance of Trump condemning all types of racial violence and bigotry in the very strongest language:

.....on Aug. 14, 2017, Trump issued a statement from the White House, and referred to "KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."

Trump, Aug. 14, 2017: As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.

Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our Creator. We are equal under the law. And we are equal under our Constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America.

 

[all to gain]

He panders to racists and white fear for their vote. He's been stoking racial tension for his benefit, when he could just as easily make speeches that encourage the coming together and healing of our great nation.

The below was April 14th 2020, nothing has changed with North Korea, It sounds like you are buying into his charisma and think world leaders will buy in to him the way Americans do. They don't.

North Korea fires barrage of missiles in weapons test

SEOUL, South Korea — A barrage of North Korean missiles fired from both the ground and fighter jets splashed down on the waters off the country's east coast on Tuesday, South Korea's military said.

The show of force comes on the eve of a key state anniversary in the North and parliamentary elections in the rival South.

The back-to-back launches were the latest in a series of weapons tests that North Korea has conducted in recent weeks amid stalled nuclear talks and outside worries about a possible coronavirus outbreak in the country.

North Korean troops based in the eastern coastal city of Munchon first launched several projectiles — presumed to be cruise missiles — on Tuesday morning, South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff said in a statement.​

Here's a record of what is publicly known, I started from 2017 as that was when President Trump came into office.

• February 11, 2017 North Korea test-fired a Pukkuksong-2 missile over the Sea of Japan. This was the first launch of the new medium-range ballistic missile.
• March 6, 2017 North Korea launches four ballistic missiles from the Tongchang-ri launch site in the northwest. Some flew 620 mi (1,000 km) before falling into the east sea.
• April 4, 2017 North Korea test-fired a medium-range ballistic missile from its eastern port of Sinpo into the Sea of Japan.
• April 15, 2017 North Korea test-fired an unidentified land-based missile from the naval base in Sinpo but it exploded almost immediately after the takeoff.
• April 28, 2017 North Korea test-fired an unidentified missile from Pukchang airfield. The missile, believed to be a medium-range KN-17 ballistic missile, faltered and broke apart minutes after liftoff.
• May 13, 2017 North Korea test-fired a Hwasong-12 missile from a test site in the area of Kusong. The missile, later revealed to be an intermediate range ballistic missile, traveled 30 minutes, reached an altitude of more than 2,111.5 km, and flew a horizontal distance of 789 km (489 miles), before falling into the Sea of Japan. Such a missile would have a range of at least 4,000, reaching Guam, to 6,000 km.
• May 21, 2017 North Korea test-fired another Pukkuksong-2 medium-range ballistic missile from Pukchang airfield, which traveled approximately 500 km (300 miles) before falling into the Sea of Japan. The missile landed about 350 km (217 miles) from North Korea's east coast.
• May 29, 2017 North Korea fired a Short Range Ballistic Missile into the Sea of Japan. It traveled 450 km.
• June 8, 2017 North Korea fired several missiles into the Sea of Japan. They are believed to be anti-ship missiles. The South Korean military said the launches show the reclusive regime's "precise targeting capability."
• June 23, 2017 North Korea tested a new rocket engine that could possibly be fitted to an intercontinental ballistic missile.
• July 4, 2017 North Korea tested its first intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) named Hwasong-14 on July 4. It launched from the Panghyon Aircraft Factory 8 km southeast of Panghyon Airport. It was aimed straight up at a lofted trajectory and reached more than 2,500 km into space. It landed 37 minutes later, more than 930 km from its launch site, into Japan's exclusive economic zone. Aiming long, the missile would have traveled 7,000–8,000 km or more, reaching Alaska, Hawaii, and possibly Seattle. Its operational range would be farther, bringing a 500 kg payload to targets in most of the contiguous United States 9,700 km away.
• July 28, 2017 The 14th missile test carried out by North Korea in 2017 was another ICBM launched at 23:41 North Korea time (15:41 GMT) from Chagang Province in the north of the country on July 28, 2017. Los Angeles, Denver, Chicago, Boston, and New York City appear to be within range. The missile's reentry vehicle (RV) was seen by people in Japan as it entered the atmosphere and landed near the northernmost Japanese island, Hokkaido. Analysis later revealed that the RV broke up on re-entry; further testing would be required. The CIA made an assessment expecting adequate performance of the RV under the different stresses of a shallower trajectory towards the continental US.
• August 26, 2017 North Korea test-fired three short-range ballistic missiles from the Kangwon Province on August 26. Two travel approximately 250 kilometers in a northeastern direction and one explodes immediately after launch.
• August 29, 2017 On August 29, 2017, at 6 AM local time, North Korea launched a ballistic missile over Northern Japan. The missile's short and low trajectory and its breakup into three pieces is consistent with the failure of a heavy post-boost vehicle.
• September 15, 2017 North Korea launched a ballistic missile on September 15 from Sunan airfield. It reached a height of 770 km and flew a distance of 3,700 km for 17 minutes over Hokkaido before landing in the Pacific.
• November 28, 2017 North Korea launched an ICBM from the vicinity of Pyongsong at 1:30pm EST/3:00am Pyongyang time. The rocket traveled for 50 minutes and reached 2800 miles (4,500 km) in height, both of which were new milestones. The missile flew 600 miles (1,000 km) east into the Sea of Japan; unlike summer launches, the Japanese government did not issue cellphone alerts to warn its citizens. North Korea called it a Hwasong-15 missile. Its potential range appears to be more than 8,000 miles (13,000 km), able to reach Washington and the rest of the continental United States. Much about the missile is unknown. The missile might have been fitted with a mock warhead to increase its range, in which case the maximum missile range while carrying a heavy warhead might be shorter than 13,000 km. Based on satellite imagery, some experts believe that North Korea may now be able to fuel missiles horizontally, shortening the delay between when a missile becomes visible to when it can be launched. The rocket is believed to have broken up on re-entry into the atmosphere.
• May 4, 2019 North Korea launched several short-range projectiles from the vicinity of Wonsan on the country's east coast, one possibly a Russian Iskander missile which can make course corrections during its flight.
• May 9, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles from the vicinity of Sinori in North Pyongan Province (launch area also, in another source, identified as Kusong) at 4:29 p.m. and 4:49 p.m. local time.
• July 25, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles, believed to be of a new design.
• July 31, 2019 North Korea launched "several" short-range ballistic missiles.
• August 2, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles at 2:59 a.m. and 3:23 a.m. local time.
• August 24, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles from Sondok in South Hamgyong Province. Both fell in the Sea of Japan.
• September 10, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range projectiles from Kaechon shortly after proposing to resume denuclearization negotiations with the US. Both the projectiles fell into the sea off the North's east coast.
• October 2, 2019 North Korea test-fired a new-type submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) in the waters off Wonsan. The Republic of Korea Armed Forces said the missile, which was dubbed Pukguksong-3, flew about 450 kilometers and reached a maximum altitude of 910 kilometers, making it an intermediate-range ballistic missile. It fell into the exclusive economic zone of Japan off Shimane Prefecture. North Korea said the launch was successful.
• October 31, 2019 North Korea test-fired two short-range projectiles from Sunchon at 4:35 p.m. and 4:38 p.m. Both flew around 370 km and reached a maximum altitude of 90 km before falling in the Sea of Japan.
• November 28, 2019 North Korea test-launched two "short-range projectiles". Rocket exhaust was visible from Russia.
• March 2, 2020 North Korea carried out test-launch of two unidentified projectiles from eastwards over the sea from the Wonsan area on the east coast. Projectiles are equipped with an operational range of 240 kilometres, and capable to flew a height of 35 kilometres.

The above April 14th 2020 article is not listed here as the list has not been updated yet.

However he did call Kim Jong-un short and fat, which admittedly I found very funny

"Why would Kim Jong-un insult me by calling me "old," when I would NEVER call him "short and fat?" Oh well, I try so hard to be his friend - and maybe someday that will happen!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)" November 12, 2017

 

[just1morething]

I'd personally say like 40% or so think Trump has committed a rape or some kind of sexual assault.

There is really no proof of that. Where did you get your figures? Would you want to be accused of such things?

Trump at least is not a career politician and has done some positive things as outlined in his RNC speech. He also has a nice sense of humor. And I would trust Mike Pence much more so than Kamala Harris as Vice President and potentially President.

 

[Zugzug]

@Juan A "Racist" would not make this speech. He condemned them all, in Charlottesville, VA: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-40930948

Another instance of Trump condemning all types of racial violence and bigotry in the very strongest language:

.....on Aug. 14, 2017, Trump issued a statement from the White House, and referred to "KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."

Trump, Aug. 14, 2017: As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.

Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our Creator. We are equal under the law. And we are equal under our Constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America.

This is a disturbing misrepresentation of the events. What really happened is that there were people in Charlottesville peacefully protesting a "Unite the Right" event . By Unite the Right, I am referring to a White Supremacist and Neo-Nazi group, not some vanilla neo-con policy discussion.

A white supremacist by the name of James Alex Field Jr. then ran over the protester, Heather Heyer (killed), and 19 others.

In response, Trump then said there were "fine people on both sides." He received major backlash. Even neo-cons like Ben Shapiro said his statement was too weak.

In response to this, he then tried to make up for it with the statement you just quoted. In reality, he completely missed the mark. That quote above is a make up attempt for a total mishandling of the situation.

Are you really this misinformed or are you lying? Because everyone knows that without the backlash, there is no way Trump produces the quote above. Under no circumstances whatsoever is it more logical to come up with that quote later if it's how he really felt.

Also, to anyone reading this who hates the "woke" crowd, please don't quote the garbage above as evidence that Trump isn't a racist. That quote was produced thanks to accountability. If you are going to praise the production of that quote, you should also praise protesters.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville_car_attack

 

[Born To Slay]

There is really no proof of that. Where did you get your figures? Would you want to be accused of such things?

Trump at least is not a career politician and has done some positive things as outlined in his RNC speech. He also has a nice sense of humor. And I would trust Mike Pence much more so than Kamala Harris as Vice President and potentially President.

Because when you are on tape saying sketchy shit like "I don't wait", people are likely to think you might've done something. Like seriously, what is that even supposed to mean other than he doesn't wait for consent? I've spoken with a decent number of people, admittedly all liberals, that think Trump sexually assaulted someone. Maybe it's not 40 but if you ask around, you are definitely going to get a sizable portion of Americans thinking that.

And that's your opinion. Polling data shows a majority of Americans plan to vote for Biden though.

 

[Zugzug]

Would you want to be accused of such things?

Trump voters putting themselves in Trump's shoes is so much of the problem. At some point, they need to read about Stockholm Syndrome and realize that their lives and his lives have nothing in common. A regular, non-predatory dude being accused of sexual assault and Donald Trump being accused of it have nothing in common. One lacks evidence and one has all of the circumstantial evidence on Earth.

 

[FGG]

Trump voters putting themselves in Trump's shoes is so much of the problem. At some point, they need to read about Stockholm Syndrome and realize that their lives and his lives have nothing in common. A regular, non-predatory dude being accused of sexual assault and Donald Trump being accused of it have nothing in common. One lacks evidence and one has all of the circumstantial evidence on Earth.

The behavior is starting to weird me out.

A reporter asked why he lied to the American people about COVID-19 and his response was that the *question* was a disgrace. And his supporters agree with this, that the reporter and Bob Woodward are the disgrace. And he's on tape clearly lying.

We are at the cult stage where they no longer trust their own eyes and ears, just what dear leader says.

 

[FGG]

Related:

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/ex...is-more-rampant-and-dangerous-than-you-think/

 

[Christiaan]

Is that caused by global warming? The Amazon burning down trees and vegetation might contribute as well as fossil fuels...who knows?

''Climate change has been a key factor in increasing the risk and extent of wildfires in the Western United States. Wildfire risk depends on a number of factors, including temperature, soil moisture, and the presence of trees, shrubs, and other potential fuel. All these factors have strong direct or indirect ties to climate variability and climate change. Climate change causes forest fuels (the organic matter that burns and spreads wildfire) to be more dry, and has doubled the number of large fires between 1984 and 2015 in the western United States''

https://www.c2es.org/content/wildfires-and-climate-change/

 

[Christiaan]

I agree the U.S. right and the European right do not hold the same values. U.S. conservatives are generally evangelical Christians (strong belief in Jesus) and hold conservative social values which are likely not even present in Europe (specifically Western Europe). U.S. conservatives are nationalists (not the racist kind, but the "proud to be American" type whereas the U.S. left is generally ashamed to be American) meanwhile I bet even the European right primarily consists of globalists and are big supporters of globalist organizations such as EU, UN, etc. The U.S. right dislikes high taxes due to the spirit of individualism (that they should decide how to spend their own money) whereas the European right probably has a more collective nature.

I do believe the values and goals of the U.S. left and the European left are the same, which is socialism.

Yes, there are clearly differences. Most centre right parties in Europe are conservative, but they are generally historically based on the Burkian principle (derived from Edmund Burke, a British philosopher and politician) that a range of institutions like the rule of law, property rights and parliamentary democracy have evolved incrementally throughout history and ought to be preserved with the aim of emphasising social stability and continuity. In their view, a revolution would destroy the fabric of society (institutions) and thus creates chaos, not stability. Religion plays a part as one of those institutions, but right wing conservative politicians don't often promote religion as a means in holding different cultures together. Conservative right wing parties often have a secular outlook, as can be said about the Conservative Party in GB, the VVD in the Netherlands and Partido Demócrata in Italy. Few exceptions are Germany (CDU) and Belgium (CD&V), but they are very moderate.

Link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Burke

I think that there are more similarities between far right parties in Europe and certain strides within the GOP (Trumpists/National-neoliberalists like Tom Cotton, Matt Gaetz). They emphasise on law and order, respect for authority, sovereignty from other countries (anti-EU or Eurosceptic) and especially religion, as it functions as a sort of common denominator to bring some people together and exclude others who do not share their beliefs. Far right parties like the Dutch Party for Freedom, the French Rassemblement National (National Rally) and the Spanish VOX often mention the protection of the Judeo-Christian culture against immigrants from Islamic countries. Trump's travel ban for people from Islamic countries is very much in line with that.

Link:
https://www.axios.com/trump-muslim-travel-ban-immigration-6ce8554f-05bd-467b-b3c2-ea4876f7773a.html

 

[Christiaan]

The behavior is starting to weird me out.

A reporter asked why he lied to the American people about COVID-19 and his response was that the *question* was a disgrace. And his supporters agree with this, that the reporter and Bob Woodward are the disgrace. And he's on tape clearly lying.

We are at the cult stage where they no longer trust their own eyes and ears, just what dear leader says.

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It's indeed ridiculous for Trump to blame Woodward for not publishing proof of Trump's lies (his acknowledgment of the coronavirus threat). But to be honest Woodward had the opportunity to publish the tape to try to prevent 200,000 deaths and expose Trump's lies. But instead he chose to sit on it for 7 months in order to publish it at a given time to boost his book sales. It's the job of a journalist to blow the whistle when lives are at stake.

 

[PeteJ]

Um it's not just people here. It's most mainstream politicians and economists that also think we need another stimulus package, they just disagree on the size it should be.

Yeah, it is. People on here just parrot the MSM. That's all they know. The MSM are ordered to report and express one narrative by their masters. You flock take what they say as gospel.

If you don't understand currency devaluation, inflation and common sense, you can't be helped.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/opinion/coronavirus-recession-stimulus.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/24/imf-global-economy-coronavirus/



People WHO are are not paid by multi-billion dollar media corporations to spread sugar-coated smoke and mirrors at oblivious Joe Public and his sisters and brothers will offer something more substantially informative. But, the MSM will just be providing the Economics 101 blah blah version.

The economy cannot go on forever by just printing worthless pieces of paper. TPTB have decided that the American dollar is still worth something but how long will that last. How many times can you raise the "ceiling." This arbitrary limit keeps adjusting up and up with no logical explanation why it can keep rising indefinitely.

Imho, my common sense tells me there will be a crash eventually, whenever they determine they want it. They will blame it on the coronavirus aka COVID-1984. Whatever stimulus packages they come up with are just temporary bandaids.

 

[PeteJ]

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Here Are Examples Of Donald Trump Being Racist:

• He attacked Muslim Gold Star parents.
• He claimed a judge was biased because "he's a Mexican."
• The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people.
• In fact, discrimination against black people has been a pattern in his career.
• He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him.

Well, he's not speaking out on the blacks who attack whites every single day so there's that. Get your head out of the hole in the ground.

 

[Luman]

President Trump has been nominated again, for a second Nobel Peace Prize, in 2021. This one is for the Serbia-Kosovo deal. The prize that he was nominated for two days ago, Sept. 9, 2020, was from a member of the Norwegian Parliament, for Trump's work on the Israel-UAE peace settlement. This second nomination, Sept. 11, 2020, was proposed by a member of Sweden's Parliament.

Bravo, President Trump, may you win one, or perhaps, both.

Here is an article: https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/donald-trump-nominated-for-second-nobel-peace-prize/

 

[all to gain]

President Trump has been nominated again, for a second Nobel Peace Prize, in 2021. This one is for the Serbia-Kosovo deal. The prize that he was nominated for two days ago, Sept. 9, 2020, was from a member of the Norwegian Parliament, for Trump's work on the Israel-UAE peace settlement. This second nomination, Sept. 11, 2020, was proposed by a member of Sweden's Parliament.

Bravo, President Trump, may you win one, or perhaps, both.

Here is an article: https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/donald-trump-nominated-for-second-nobel-peace-prize/

To be fair, it could be argued that Trump has done more than Obama did to get the prize.

Trump won't get it though, not in a million years. Too controversial. But? Also got to remember who else is being nominated for it?

Here are the five people (at the moment, ie some may change in 2021?) who vote for who gets the prize:

- Two are involved with the labour party (socialists), i.e. Berit Reiss-Andersen and Thorbjørn Jagland
- One with the centrist party, ie Anne Enger
- Two academics:

• Henrik Syse who said "President-elect Donald Trump has, with his rhetoric, lowered the threshold for moral decency so far it is downright scary."
• Asle Toje who "has been a spokesman for a strong defense and close ties to U.S. foreign policy"

It looks like there wouldn't be enough support there for Trump.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

I agree with much of what is being said, but how does much of this affect our lives. Some issues may, but most do not. We are not equal to the rich. Why aren't are the loud mouth rich with name recognition not giving to a cause beyond a tax deduction? It's because of greed.

A rich person with a private doctor that goes to an elite hospital that just experienced acoustic trauma is admitted. They get prednisone and not by pill, along with liquid magnesium. IVs and a host of examinations without a wait time.

Any rollback in taxes for the middle class will not offset the consumer price index. With the last standard tax exemption, healthcare and insurance premiums increased, cell phones and all home service costs increased. Things that went down in price have monthly payments attached. Gas went down, but that led to consumers spending more on travel and spending in 1001 ways.

https://www.topaccountingdegrees.org/taxes/

https://townhall.com/columnists/joh...-the-middle-class-is-getting-screwed-n1951126

 

[PeteJ]

I agree with much of what is being said, but how does much of this affect our lives. Some issues may, but most do not. We are not equal to the rich. Why aren't are the loud mouth rich with name recognition not giving to a cause beyond a tax deduction? It's because of greed.

A rich person with a private doctor that goes to an elite hospital that just experienced acoustic trauma is admitted. They get prednisone and not by pill, along with liquid magnesium. IVs and a host of examinations without a wait time.

Any rollback in taxes for the middle class will not offset the consumer price index. With the last standard tax exemption, healthcare and insurance premiums increased, cell phones and all home service costs increased. Things that went down in price have monthly payments attached. Gas went down, but that led to consumers spending more on travel and spending in 1001 ways.

https://www.topaccountingdegrees.org/taxes/

https://townhall.com/columnists/joh...-the-middle-class-is-getting-screwed-n1951126

I agree, it doesn't affect our lives much but there are policies that might trickle down eventually and impact it in some way. The middle and lower class will be ignored. I suppose some people here have savings. You wouldn't want your "FX-322 tinnitus treatments" savings wiped out because the greenback is now worth less than a dime.

 

[FGG]

I wish fMRI studies were more reliable because I would love to see if the same parts of the brain light up in Trump supporters when they are being insulted or praised as when Trump is.

 

[GlennS]

It's the job of a journalist to blow the whistle when lives are at stake.

Let's gain a little perspective here. In the early days before COVID-19 hit our shores we all saw how it was ravaging Wuhan. I remember a lot of controversy over whether China was under-reporting its deaths and running a massive cremation program to contain it sort of like something out of a zombie movie. I don't know who out there was seriously buying the idea that COVID-19 was just "the sniffles" the way Trump characterized it, but they were not too bright. Point being that the lethality of COVID-19 was not some sort of privileged information that only Trump knew about. The problem had to do with the fact that Trump commands followers like Big Brother. If he says 2+2=5 then a lot of people believe it.

 

[GlennS]

Bravo, President Trump

You know, one of the greatest wastes of time one can engage in is trying to convince someone to change their politics. So when I read you worshiping the ground Trump walks on I know damn well any attempt to drop truth bombs is casting pearls before swine.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

I wish fMRI studies were more reliable because I would love to see if the same parts of the brain light up in Trump supporters when they are being insulted or praised as when Trump is.

Wasn't fMRIs given to supporters of both candidates. Didn't they found out that when you're trying to measure something that's random amidst a whole bunch of noise, it becomes very hard to tell what's actually random and what isn't.

 

[Luman]

To be fair, it could be argued that Trump has done more than Obama did to get the prize.

Trump won't get it though, not in a million years. Too controversial. But? Also got to remember who else is being nominated for it?

Here are the five people (at the moment, ie some may change in 2021?) who vote for who gets the prize:

- Two are involved with the labour party (socialists), i.e. Berit Reiss-Andersen and Thorbjørn Jagland
- One with the centrist party, ie Anne Enger
- Two academics:

• Henrik Syse who said "President-elect Donald Trump has, with his rhetoric, lowered the threshold for moral decency so far it is downright scary."
• Asle Toje who "has been a spokesman for a strong defense and close ties to U.S. foreign policy"

It looks like there wouldn't be enough support there for Trump.

How about Grumpy Greta, has she been nominated, again?

 

[Greg Sacramento]

Across the West Coast, firefighters are battling nearly 100 major blazes. Six are in my area. One has burnt 500 square miles and they have not been able to put a dent into it. The smoke outside is as thick as fog. Hospitals are full. Conveys of firetrucks are coming from other States up the highway a quarter mile from my house. Close to 15,000 firefighters. Trump is adding federal firefighters. My head, ears and tinnitus is throw the roof.

 

[Juan]

However he did call Kim Jong-un short and fat, which admittedly I found very funny

"Why would Kim Jong-un insult me by calling me "old," when I would NEVER call him "short and fat?" Oh well, I try so hard to be his friend - and maybe someday that will happen!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)" November 12, 2017

He also called Kim Jong-Un a "tough cookie"... it's just Trump's usual language...

 

[all to gain]

How about Grumpy Greta, has she been nominated, again?

No idea.

There are however 318 candidates for the prize this year, so I presume she will be among them.

In some ways I would love for Trump to get it just to see the shitstorm that would ensue

 

[all to gain]

It's the job of a journalist to blow the whistle when lives are at stake.

Is it?

It surely depends on many factors, eg the journalist's political affiliations, possibility of monetary gain, their ethics, country of allegiance and so on? Some don't blow the whistle until they see it as being in their best interest. Some never do it.

 

[all to gain]

What do people make of that couple (Mark & Patricia McCloskey), who brandished firearms when protesters trespassed on their property in St. Louis, being charged with felony for ostensibly defending their home, property and themselves?

I know 24 households where they live wrote a letter condemning them for their actions. However, there are 94 households in the neighbourhood (Portland and Westmoreland Places), so 70 households it seems disagreed (or didn't want to get involved).

What would you have done in the same circumstances, or if people (even if only one, not the 100s as in this case) trespassed on your property?

 

[FGG]

Let's gain a little perspective here. In the early days before COVID-19 hit our shores we all saw how it was ravaging Wuhan. I remember a lot of controversy over whether China was under-reporting its deaths and running a massive cremation program to contain it sort of like something out of a zombie movie. I don't know who out there was seriously buying the idea that COVID-19 was just "the sniffles" the way Trump characterized it, but they were not too bright. Point being that the lethality of COVID-19 was not some sort of privileged information that only Trump knew about. The problem had to do with the fact that Trump commands followers like Big Brother. If he says 2+2=5 then a lot of people believe it.

You are 100% correct but when you are dealing with a highly contagious disease, the "not too bright" people spread the disease and make the situation much worse for everyone and that is the problem.

His followers (more accurate than "supporters" at this point) want to now say he was just trying to keep everyone calm but my friend's friend came up with a good analogy:

Imagine you are a kid and there is a major tornado coming. You are scared of the tornado because you live in the Plains and see what they can do (and have TV and a brain). Your Dad could calm your fears by saying "it's okay, son/daughter we have a basement and we are going to be ready." But instead he says "Don't be scared, go play outside! Your neighbors that are in their basements just hate you and the neighborhood and it is all a hoax anyway. There is no tornado."

There are people that (inexplicably) treat Trump as an authority figure the way kids treat their parents.

 

[Luman]

He also called Kim Jong-Un a "tough cookie"... it's just Trump's usual language...

What do you think he meant by "Tough Cookie"? In your opinion, was this a compliment, just stating a fact, an insult, or just a term that makes Trump look like the bad guy, here?