2020 US Presidential Election

[Zugzug]

Can a reasonable conservative please provide value to this thread? Believe it or not, I am extremely open-minded to other viewpoints and actually dislike echo chambers (my views outside of this thread are certainly not down-the-line liberal). But yeah, I'm going to look like a radical when the alternative viewpoints espoused by others are:

1. Kamala Harris is an incompetent whore who can't be addressed by name.
2. Abraham Lincoln deserves more condemnation than greedy slave owners.
3. Stuff that happened under Trump's watch is Biden's fault.
4. Wearing a f***ing mask because of COVID is equivalent to slavery. Moreover, "we are all slaves."
5. COVID is a conspiracy to control.
6. Donald Trump couldn't commit sexual assault because every woman drools over him. Oh, and referring to 1. above, Donald Trump is somehow not a whore.
7. The economy is absolutely beautiful under Trump (who inherited a good economy and continued trends), while the economy was trash under Obama (who inherited a recession and turned it into a good economy).

What should be happening in this thread is a nuanced discussion of how to have better outcomes between police and civilians so that less total violence occurs. It's kind of hard to get currently.

 

[Christiaan]

The Lincoln Project is also effective because they fight like Republicans (they have said as much themselves) and are willing to go low and say blunt things like "Trump is a vile human being and a sociopath and doesn't give a shit if you die" without *any* sugar coating. This tactic works in US politics where to a certain percentage of people this tone reflects "telling it like it is."

I've heard of the organisation. I really hope they are effective as you say. I especially love the Lindsay Graham ad. Using his own words to praise Biden and slander Trump, while everybody knows that this hypocrite at a given moment switched teams when the reality fascist tv star won the presidential elections. You can't make this stuff up, it's just brilliant.

 

[PeteJ]

Can a reasonable conservative please provide value to this thread? Believe it or not, I am extremely open-minded to other viewpoints and actually dislike echo chambers (my views outside of this thread are certainly not down-the-line liberal). But yeah, I'm going to look like a radical when the alternative viewpoints espoused by others are:

1. Kamala Harris is an incompetent whore who can't be addressed by name.
2. Abraham Lincoln deserves more condemnation than greedy slave owners.
3. Stuff that happened under Trump's watch is Biden's fault.
4. Wearing a f***ing mask because of COVID is equivalent to slavery. Moreover, "we are all slaves."
5. COVID is a conspiracy to control.
6. Donald Trump couldn't commit sexual assault because every woman drools over him. Oh, and referring to 1. above, Donald Trump is somehow not a whore.
7. The economy is absolutely beautiful under Trump (who inherited a good economy and continued trends), while the economy was trash under Obama (who inherited a recession and turned it into a good economy).

What should be happening in this thread is a nuanced discussion of how to have better outcomes between police and civilians so that less total violence occurs. It's kind of hard to get currently.

You're being delusional. You're not being open-minded.

All your 'points' are boring leftist rhetoric.

You also have a problem with reading comprehension. I did not assert #3. I insinuated things would worsen or the current situation would exacerbate.

I am not the only one who thinks so. Therefore, why are you acting so shocked and feigning indignation?

It's also insulting to suggest I am not offering "value" to your discussion. But, what else is new here?

I don't have the pre-approved official narrative down.

 

[PeteJ]

I think many of you are bullies who want to 'pick' what kind of "conservatives" are allowed to discuss with you.

If I was American, I am not sure what I would do. I think Trump is a globalist and I don't think I would vote. I think the system is rigged and I don't think there is a choice.

In saying all that, I know practically no one will agree with me here but I am okay with that. I think it's a different perspective here in a tilted leftist group think consensus. You guys are pretty insulting to Trump voters. It would be fine with me except you're hypocrites. You get outraged or upset with the same treatment.

If someone suggests something contrary to your narrative, you mock it or ignore it. I wouldn't care if you at least acknowledged or conceded it. At least, it would help your weak credibility.

 

[Born To Slay]

So people are laughing at what @Zugzug wrote. Why? Are these now mainstream Republican views? If so, no wonder they think Biden is radical...

 

[FGG]

Can a reasonable conservative please provide value to this thread? Believe it or not, I am extremely open-minded to other viewpoints and actually dislike echo chambers (my views outside of this thread are certainly not down-the-line liberal). But yeah, I'm going to look like a radical when the alternative viewpoints espoused by others are:

1. Kamala Harris is an incompetent whore who can't be addressed by name.
2. Abraham Lincoln deserves more condemnation than greedy slave owners.
3. Stuff that happened under Trump's watch is Biden's fault.
4. Wearing a f***ing mask because of COVID is equivalent to slavery. Moreover, "we are all slaves."
5. COVID is a conspiracy to control.
6. Donald Trump couldn't commit sexual assault because every woman drools over him. Oh, and referring to 1. above, Donald Trump is somehow not a whore.
7. The economy is absolutely beautiful under Trump (who inherited a good economy and continued trends), while the economy was trash under Obama (who inherited a recession and turned it into a good economy).

What should be happening in this thread is a nuanced discussion of how to have better outcomes between police and civilians so that less total violence occurs. It's kind of hard to get currently.

It's been eye opening. I had no idea how Qanon got so popular with Trump supporters until I read this thread.

 

[all to gain]

Let's get down to the nitty gritty:

Who is going to win?

Not who you want to win, but who is going to win. Put your cards on the table now.

Honestly, I wouldn't vote for either of them; I just couldn't bring myself to do it. But I realise that there are those who are better a lesser evil over a greater evil type of people.

 

[all to gain]

Is the whole "Porker" thing supposed to be a jab at her weight or something? She doesn't look that big to me.

I honestly can't tell if you are joking or not

Isn't she called a porker because she won an award for government waste called Porker of the Year?

 

[all to gain]

Considering the corrupt things politicians do to gain power, I really don't see how offering some pussy is any worse.

It isn't any worse, but it does sure you the morals of the person in question (not aimed specifically at Harris, but at politicians in general).

 

[PeteJ]

@Zugzug, I just ask that you are open to my p.o.v. and investigate it. It requires some time and being willing to look at "conspiracy" sites as you will probably label it as.

At my core, I am resigned to the fact you will dispute it and disregard it outright. My tinnitus makes so I don't care as much. I would moreso if my tinnitus wasn't so loud and severe.

But, lockdowns and leftist politics which the political party here DOES affect me. So, I care to an extent.

I recognize that many people automatically disregard anything I suggest, not just on here but other places and in real life. The reaction is the same and I attribute it to group think and brainwashing. What else can it be when the reaction is virtually the same and no one has an open mind?

The MSM and average person already has control and domination over the status quo and mainstream narrative. Other opinions and assertions are even censored by YouTube, social media and Google. What is a reasonable conclusion to that? Huh?

 

[Born To Slay]

Let's get down to the nitty gritty:

Who is going to win?

Not who you want to win, but who is going to win. Put your cards on the table now.

Honestly, I wouldn't vote for either of them; I just couldn't bring myself to do it. But I realise that there are those who are better a lesser evil over a greater evil type of people.

If I had to bet right now, this would be my electoral map. The only three states I'm not 100% sure on are NC, IA and OH. I still think Trump can win the first one and Biden could win the last two but this is my current prediction overall.

https://www.270towin.com/maps/3X1nZ

 

[Zugzug]

Are these now mainstream Republican views?

Holding those viewpoints is not mainstream, but being an apologist for them is.

 

[Luman]

Is the whole "Porker" thing supposed to be a jab at her weight or something? She doesn't look that big to me.

She was named 2018 Porker of the Year. She could be called a pig, as well, but not because she's fat, as she isn't (fat).

https://www.cagw.org/porker-of-the-month/cagw-names-kamala-harris-2018-porker-year

 

[aot]

I honestly can't tell if you are joking or not

Isn't she called a porker because she won an award for government waste called Porker of the Year?

Not a joke. I wasn't aware of that.

 

[Luman]

Headline, Jan 20, 2021:

President Joe Biden, in recognition of the support he received from The Lincoln Project, and as his first act as the forty sixth President of the United States of America, ordered the United States Marines, Air Force, Army and National Guard, to conquer and occupy what he termed, the "Confederate States of America."

 

[aot]

Trump Announces 'Patriotic Education' Commission, A Largely Political Move

 

[FGG]

Trump Announces 'Patriotic Education' Commission, A Largely Political Move

Teaching nationalism in school is one of the first things Hitler changed.

Between things like this, the excessive for show bible and flag brandishing, describing the press as the "enemy of the people" and the scapegoating of minorities, I'm increasingly wondering if I'm in "1938 Germany" America and it's scary as hell.

 

[Emgee]

I still wish Andrew Yang was our next president.

 

[Zugzug]

I still wish Andrew Yang was our next president.

I liked parts of his campaign; his voice is refreshing.

 

[Born To Slay]

I still wish Andrew Yang was our next president.

I think a UBI replacing our current welfare system is actually a pretty good idea.

 

[all to gain]

Teaching nationalism in school is one of the first things Hitler changed.

Between things like this, the excessive for show bible and flag brandishing, describing the press as the "enemy of the people" and the scapegoating of minorities, I'm increasingly wondering if I'm in "1938 Germany" America and it's scary as hell.

Nah, not even close.

 

[FGG]

Nah, not even close.

I really, really want to be wrong about this but it gets worse and worse.

 

[all to gain]

I really, really want to be wrong about this but it gets worse and worse.

I understand what you are saying, but it's not even close to German in the 1930s. Doesn't mean things can't get worse though, or better for that matter.

For one thing, Trump isn't going to be around for much longer... 4 years at the most! I doubt the Republicans could get someone as divisive as him again into power.

What is unknown though are the after effects of his presidency.

 

[aot]

Nah, not even close.

They're already forcibly sterilizing women in ICE facilities.

 

[Lilah]

Hitler's nationalism agenda had racist elements which is not present in Trump's "Patriotic Education." Hitler only cared about the blond Aryan super-race Germans, not other Germans such as German Jews. Not all nationalism results in Nazi Germany. There are some very diverse countries with sizeable racial and religious minorities, such as Singapore, but they are very proud and nationalistic. They also have "patriotic education" such as singing the national anthem before class everyday.

Trump and conservatives are not racists, and believe that all people have equal opportunity (through merit, hard work, etc.).

Trump and conservatives believe that all people are born with the same intelligence and can overcome humble backgrounds through hard work. I do believe this is true; it is very easy in the U.S. to go from poverty to solid middle class and even upper middle class in the same generation or one generation without the help of benefits.

The Democrats' view of equal opportunity is racist because they believe certain people need extra help because they are incapable (as seen through Biden's racist remarks); many African-Americans have remained poor for generations despite voting for Democrats and living in Democratic-held cities.

Democrats have done a successful job at painting conservatives as racists but this view will only last so long; I'm glad the Trump administration is reaching out to minorities.

Trump's patriotic education basically consists of showing some respect for the founding fathers and "American heros." Of course bad aspects of our history should be covered but they should not be the primary aspect of U.S history, which is what the Left has done.

 

[Born To Slay]

Nah, not even close.

Eh, most of what she said is pretty accurate. Which thing is he not doing?

 

[Luman]

I would vote for Malcolm X for president, from his latter period, were he alive today. He was the most honest, aware, intelligent and ethical American public figure, that I have ever run across.

 

[Emgee]

I think a UBI replacing our current welfare system is actually a pretty good idea.

The Freedom Dividend (UBI) and human-centered capitalism are compassionate AND practical ways to generate economic growth while still placing people over profit.

 

[all to gain]

Eh, most of what she said is pretty accurate. Which thing is he not doing?

Overall, which was my point, it does not even compare to what went on in Germany in the 1930s in terms of scale and overall effect. For example, political killings etc were rife in Germany in that period, and in 1938 specifically thousands of people were expelled from the country and many 10,000s were arrested.

 

[Born To Slay]

Overall, which was my point, it does not even compare to what went on in Germany in the 1930s in terms of scale and overall effect. For example, political killings etc were rife in Germany in that period, and in 1938 specifically thousands of people were expelled from the country and many 10,000s were arrested.

Fair enough but it is troubling how he has such a habit of fascist behavior. He does have authoritarian tendencies.