2020 US Presidential Election

[Born To Slay]

Hitler's nationalism agenda had racist elements which is not present in Trump's "Patriotic Education." Hitler only cared about the blond Aryan super-race Germans, not other Germans such as German Jews. Not all nationalism results in Nazi Germany. There are some very diverse countries with sizeable racial and religious minorities, such as Singapore, but they are very proud and nationalistic. They also have "patriotic education" such as singing the national anthem before class everyday.

Trump and conservatives are not racists, and believe that all people have equal opportunity (through merit, hard work, etc.).

Trump and conservatives believe that all people are born with the same intelligence and can overcome humble backgrounds through hard work. I do believe this is true; it is very easy in the U.S. to go from poverty to solid middle class and even upper middle class in the same generation or one generation without the help of benefits.

The Democrats' view of equal opportunity is racist because they believe certain people need extra help because they are incapable (as seen through Biden's racist remarks); many African-Americans have remained poor for generations despite voting for Democrats and living in Democratic-held cities.

Democrats have done a successful job at painting conservatives as racists but this view will only last so long; I'm glad the Trump administration is reaching out to minorities.

Trump's patriotic education basically consists of showing some respect for the founding fathers and "American heros." Of course bad aspects of our history should be covered but they should not be the primary aspect of U.S history, which is what the Left has done.

The democrats don't say that they need extra because they're incapable. If you want to cite otherwise, feel free. They say they need help because society as a whole keeps them down, which the stats pretty clearly show they are. The Republican are not so subtle dog whistles are what keep the image of them as racists alive. There's a reason the David Duke endorses them.

 

[all to gain]

Teaching nationalism in school is one of the first things Hitler changed.

I know it's not directly nationalism, but, out of interest, what were you taught about WW2 in school and have you ever questioned it?

 

[Born To Slay]

The Freedom Dividend (UBI) and human-centered capitalism are compassionate AND practical ways to generate economic growth while still placing people over profit.

I think it's a great start, I personally don't think Yang's plan goes far enough. I'd like to see minors added in. I also don't think Yang was ambitious enough in raising taxes to cover the costs. Still a gr8 start with a lot of potential.

 

[FGG]

Hitler's nationalism agenda had racist elements which is not present in Trump's "Patriotic Education." Hitler only cared about the blond Aryan super-race Germans, not other Germans such as German Jews. Not all nationalism results in Nazi Germany. There are some very diverse countries with sizeable racial and religious minorities, such as Singapore, but they are very proud and nationalistic. They also have "patriotic education" such as singing the national anthem before class everyday.

Trump and conservatives are not racists, and believe that all people have equal opportunity (through merit, hard work, etc.).

Trump and conservatives believe that all people are born with the same intelligence and can overcome humble backgrounds through hard work. I do believe this is true; it is very easy in the U.S. to go from poverty to solid middle class and even upper middle class in the same generation or one generation without the help of benefits.

The Democrats' view of equal opportunity is racist because they believe certain people need extra help because they are incapable (as seen through Biden's racist remarks); many African-Americans have remained poor for generations despite voting for Democrats and living in Democratic-held cities.

Democrats have done a successful job at painting conservatives as racists but this view will only last so long; I'm glad the Trump administration is reaching out to minorities.

Trump's patriotic education basically consists of showing some respect for the founding fathers and "American heros." Of course bad aspects of our history should be covered but they should not be the primary aspect of U.S history, which is what the Left has done.

A "patriotic education" is one with an agenda. History should reflect reality even if that doesn't always make us feel good because you don't learn anything from a rose colored history.

What would a patriotic history class look like?

Would it say Japanese Internment camps were justified? The Tuskegee Syphilis trials never happened? The colonists rescued the land from the Native Americans? Slavery wasn't that bad because slaves didn't kill themselves? How long before they say the Iraq War was necessary too?

That's fake pride based on a fantasy and sets up shop to repeat the mistakes of history.

 

[Juan]

The irony for men who view women as unprincipled gold diggers is that if that is your view of women, the only women who will stick around (and can stand to be around that bs) are the ones who want something in exchange for their company. In other words, you are selecting specifically for that kind of woman and then using that bias you have set up to generalize.

That's a good one!

 

[Juan]

If someone insults Biden, I'm not motivated to vilify that person but if someone insults Trump, to his followers, it's literally like they are attacking their spouse, child or religion. I can't imagine listening to him speak and having that Messiah type reverence for him. It's totally bizarre to me.

Those are the typical double standards used by Donald Trump.

Now an expert on bankruptcies (Trump, whose businesses have gone bankrupt several times) is ruling the country. However, the beauty of going bankrupt is using all sort of tricks for not paying creditors and employees. How do you do that with a country?

 

[FGG]

@Lilah, it's not racist to assume that someone who comes from poverty has less opportunities.

You hear stories of people like Bill Gates working in his garage for years or Elon Musk being a paradigm shifter. Both these men had financial backing from well off parents who had money for generations. "Risk" tolerance is a luxury that you need financial support to have.

And your American Dream idea *used* to be a reality but it has been in the decline for the last few decades. Check out the data:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/social-mobility-upwards-decline-usa-us-america-economics/

And to your point that democratic cities aren't helping black mobility, neither are Republican cities like Oklahoma City.

It's a complicated problem but the fact is it takes many generations to overcome the disadvantages of segregation. And when there was a population that managed to do this despite the odds, they were massacred (see: Black Wall Street in Tulsa). Now combine that with redlining and other measures and you can see plainly black Americans have not had the same opportunities.

That being said, do I wish more Democrats would do more than lip service to these problems? Absolutely. That's one of the many reasons Bernie had my vote (he wanted true opportunity for everyone, including poor Appalachian whites, who have more in common with inner city blacks than they realize) but I would rather the US at least acknowledge a problem then pretend it doesn't exist.

That goes for COVID-19 and Global Warming too.

 

[FGG]

I know it's not directly nationalism, but, out of interest, what were you taught about WW2 in school and have you ever questioned it?

A whole half a semester in high school was devoted to WWI and WWII. I couldn't type all of what I learned in class so you are going to have to tell me what you are getting at.

 

[PeteJ]

Those are the typical double standards used by Donald Trump.

Now an expert on bankruptcies (Trump, whose businesses have gone bankrupt several times) is ruling the country. However, the beauty of going bankrupt is using all sort of tricks for not paying creditors and employees. How do you do that with a country?

LOL. You are kidding, right?

The USA was already bankrupt well before the PTB decided to get Trump elected.

You have a 26.7* trillion dollar debt for crying out loud.

*officially accepted debt figure

 

[PeteJ]

I know it's not directly nationalism, but, out of interest, what were you taught about WW2 in school and have you ever questioned it?

They don't question anything here.

You don't seem to either but not as bad.

 

[PeteJ]

Fair enough but it is troubling how he has such a habit of fascist behavior. He does have authoritarian tendencies.

How is he any more authoritarian than Obomber or anyone else? The Biden/Harris Democrats will certainly be authoritarian/fascist if they get in. More so than the current administration.

Obama tried to give his government easy control over the internet ("kill switch") and there are other examples of authoritarian tendencies. But, hey, be biased as you are. You guys have no credibility anyway.

 

[Lilah]

The democrats don't say that they need extra because they're incapable. If you want to cite otherwise, feel free. They say they need help because society as a whole keeps them down, which the stats pretty clearly show they are.

Here. White Democrats think minorities are dumb.

This was originally a Washington Post article:
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/white-liberals-language

https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/12...rals-patronize-minorities-conservatives-dont/

In what ways do you think society keeps minorities down? Asians are minorities, do you think society keeps them down as well?

 

[all to gain]

They don't question anything here.

You don't seem to either but not as bad.

Nah, I question everything.

What I don't do is blindly follow some preconceived narrative and take sides.

 

[all to gain]

Fair enough but it is troubling how he has such a habit of fascist behavior. He does have authoritarian tendencies.

He does have authoritarian tendencies for sure.

The thing is though that some of the most authoritarian countries are still going to be around and leading the world whilst the free world is collapsing before our eyes unfortunately.

 

[FGG]

What I am getting at is were you taught that the US was the savior of the world?

In WW1 for example you were selling arms to both sides, and only entered the war at the last moment when the other nations were battle weary. Sure, lots of fresh soldiers helped win, but it's easy to come to the battle at the last second and deem yourself the major factor in winning the war.

In WW2, the US played a much more decisive role, in the main due to its Lend Lease to the UK and Soviet Union etc, and of course with its use of the atomic bomb. But did you learn that 26 million Soviets died and that the Soviets were took out way more Germans than the other Allied forces?

I did not learn that the US was selling arms to both sides in WW1.

In WW2, I did learn the Russians were much more involved and had heavy casualties and the US played a "late in the game but instrumental" role. I was not at all taught that the US was the "savior of the world" but I didn't have a mandated patriotic education either and it was much more balanced.

 

[Zugzug]

Damn, Ruth Bader Ginsburg passed away from complications of pancreatic cancer. As if our politics needed to get uglier. I hope she rests in peace.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-dead/index.html

 

[FGG]

Damn, Ruth Bader Ginsburg passed away from complications of pancreatic cancer. As if our politics needed to get uglier. I hope she rests in peace.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-dead/index.html

Very sad (and worrying) news.

Remember when Mitch McConnell demanded no appointments during an election year with Obama's pick? Let's see if he honors that this time (we all know the answer to that).

 

[aot]

Damn, Ruth Bader Ginsburg passed away from complications of pancreatic cancer. As if our politics needed to get uglier. I hope she rests in peace.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-dead/index.html

Fuck this year.

Ruth was a champion.

 

[all to gain]

A whole half a semester in high school was devoted to WWI and WWII. I couldn't type all of what I learned in class so you are going to have to tell me what you are getting at.

What i'm getting at is were you taught that the US was the savior of the world?

Were you taught about the sacrifices of other countries? For example, that the Soviet Union lost 26 million people.

 

[Born To Slay]

How is he any more authoritarian than Obomber or anyone else? The Biden/Harris Democrats will certainly be authoritarian/fascist if they get in. More so than the current administration.

Obama tried to give his government easy control over the internet ("kill switch") and there are other examples of authoritarian tendencies. But, hey, be biased as you are. You guys have no credibility anyway.

Well, FGG's list is a good start.

And yeah, we're totally the ones with the credibility problems...

 

[Born To Slay]

Damn, Ruth Bader Ginsburg passed away from complications of pancreatic cancer. As if our politics needed to get uglier. I hope she rests in peace.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-dead/index.html

This is going to be the most brutal, divisive fall campaign in modern history.

 

[Born To Slay]

I know it's not directly nationalism, but, out of interest, what were you taught about WW2 in school and have you ever questioned it?

In K-12 I was taught the standard shit. Germany was acting like assholes because they were pissed about the treaty of Versailles, Hitler rose to power as a result of scapegoating Jews and economic populism, the British and French were pussies and didn't do shit until what happened in Poland and then they went to war. At first Germany was allied with Russia, then they attacked them. Germany was doing pretty well until that winter and then they got their asses kicked. Meanwhile America joined after Pearl Harbor, kicked their asses some more and Hitler killed himself. That's about it for the war itself. Then we went a bit into how Hitler killed the Jews and shit. I never questioned the narrative until college. In high school, we learned that America were the saviors but in college we learned that America made a lot of mistakes during the war and that Russia was just as, if not more to blame, for taking out Germany.

 

[FGG]

What i'm getting at is were you taught that the US was the savior of the world?

Were you taught about the sacrifices of other countries? For example, that the Soviet Union lost 26 million people.

Already answered this above. No I wasn't taught that because I didn't have a "patriotic" slant to my history classes.

 

[PeteJ]

Nah, I question everything.

What I don't do is blindly follow some preconceived narrative and take sides.

Your post on WW2 suggests you don't.

 

[PeteJ]

Well, FGG's list is a good start.

And yeah, we're totally the ones with the credibility problems...

Lol. FGG's credibility is worse than yours.

 

[PeteJ]

They're not even in (yet?):

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/08/08/kamala-harris-authoritarian-finalist-for-dem-vp/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...tarian-one-heartbeat-away-from-the-presidency

Violent far left radical organizations like Antifa and BLM support the Democratic ticket. The feelings are mutual. It's obvious and feasible that the Biden team will embrace and implement authoritarian and fascist measures.

 

[Born To Slay]

Already answered this above. No I wasn't taught that because I didn't have a "patriotic" slant to my history classes.

I wish I could say the same. These assholes were biased in my school. But I had a teacher who tried to force me to stand for the pledge so...

 

[FGG]

I wish I could say the same. These assholes were biased in my school. But I had a teacher who tried to force me to stand for the pledge so...

This happened to my friend who moved to the US from Croatia at 13. She was made to say the pledge and she told me that she tried to argue and tell them things like "My parents moved here for a job and I don't know anything about this place yet. And besides I just got here weeks ago and you want me to pledge my allegiance?"

They made her do it anyway and she was extremely put off by it.

 

[Emgee]

Sad to hear of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's passing.

She was a fervent advocate of equality who leaves behind a historic legacy.

RIP Notorious RBG.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

The world is changing and population growth with development of towns becoming large cities are taking place in much of the USA and elsewhere. Population growth and it's effects is reality like never before. What will the world be like in short and longer future years? This reality will affect mankind in every way possible.

To mention just a few elements with limited thoughts: Control of wealth that includes real estate, commodities, stock investment, futures and options. Large growth companies like Costco are investing in China. China is investing in the USA. Real Estate growth investment and new electric battery technology are not inverse to each other. Medical innovation and discovery is breaking new ground in some areas, but medical practicing is already years behind the curve.

The rich will get richer, the US dollar will take a hit, but the question is will the US dollar still be king to the currency of China. There's a growing number of people who have decided to trade investments at home or from an app instead of an employed career. In the last year, some who weren't rich are on their way, as they can day trade both long and short around the clock if they wish.

I just wish that that there was more life support for those with a true disability.