2020 US Presidential Election

#2,341
patorjk said:
I don't think it was probability that played a part last time. I've read that many people believe that the pollsters weren't reaching people who were a core part of Trump's base. I think Trump believes that too, which is why he thinks he's in the lead (and he might be, I don't know what to believe anymore).

Check out FireThirtyEight's odds for Hillary vs Trump:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

The odds are eerily similar to Biden vs Trump (though Biden's lead is a little larger). Now factor in lower turn-out due to COVID-19 (people on the left are more worried about it than people on the right, and not everyone will be willing to mail in a ballot). I think the race is a lot closer than what most people think. I keep seeing articles about a Biden blowout, but I don't believe it.
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The Rasmussen Reports has Trump ahead. They also polled Trump ahead of Clinton in 2016.

Lieberals here didn't note that.
 
#2,342
Christiaan said:
Yikes! The stats are astonishing as hell. Republicans always pat themselves on the shoulder as the party of good norms and values, but generally they're a bunch of crooks. How does this party in god sake still exist?
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DemocRATS are crooks too. They're all crooks. Even Greg might agree.
 
#2,343
Born To Slay said:
He's hated because he's an asshole and because they think he's done a bad job. The approval numbers speak for themselves. Most Americans don't think he's done a "good to very good job".

And those rallies ain't helping his case, having mass gatherings during a pandemic makes you look like a narcissistic asshole who's blind to reality. And enough of the basement shit, Biden just gave a townhall the other day that got over 3 million views. That line is no longer accurate.

The democrats think the votes will come from America, Biden's up big time in the polls right now, both nationally and state by state. Biden is currently winning.
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Biden is a joke. He's senile and touchy feelie with young girls and women. I won't accuse him of being a pedo but some people say so. I think the problem is he would be a puppet and stooge if he gets in.

He'll be way more of a tool than Trump is.

But, keep those blinders on, Lieberals.
 
#2,344
Christiaan said:
How does this party in god sake still exist?
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Why in God's sake does the Red Light District exist in your country? I agree Trump should be more concerned about global warming if the US burning of fossil fuels is one of the main causes. I would guess China pollutes the air the most though.
 
#2,346
all to gain said:
He's hated because he's so divisive, because he's a name caller, because he's so in love with himself, because he is friendly with dubious world leaders who are not his friend, because he sells out his own security services and so on.

This doesn't mean he hasn't done some good things... and I must admit... I do chuckle sometimes when he says things.

I agree, Biden needs to get out more. And I must admit, although I have nothing against Biden, I find him tedious to listen to.
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What about the Democrats compromising security by their sell-out deals with China? Is that unimportant because it's Democrats?

The liberals here are hypocrites. They won't be objective so why ask them serious questions??
 
#2,347
PeteJ said:
Biden is a joke. He's senile and touchy feelie with young girls and women. I won't accuse him of being a pedo but some people say so. I think the problem is he would be a puppet and stooge if he gets in.

He'll be way more of a tool than Trump is.

But, keep those blinders on, Lieberals.
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That'd be really hard to do considering Trump literally just goes along with the party on most stuff. When they were trying to repeal Obamacare, he didn't even understand at all what was in the replacement plan. He just left it to Paul Ryan. It's largely the same story on tax returns.

Joe Biden has shown more independence during this election from the left wing than Trump has from the right wing.
 
#2,348
Born To Slay said:
That'd be really hard to do considering Trump literally just goes along with the party on most stuff. When they were trying to repeal Obamacare, he didn't even understand at all what was in the replacement plan. He just left it to Paul Ryan. It's largely the same story on tax returns.

Joe Biden has shown more independence during this election from the left wing than Trump has from the right wing.
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LOL. He barely even talks and when he does, people are saying, "wtf did he just say?" The Dems are obviously limiting how many speeches and presentations he makes.

That's not a display of independence.
 
#2,349
Zugzug said:
I both agree and disagree with you. The biggest area I agree with you is that Democrats are in denial about the GOP being the unapologetic party of Trump. I consider myself, at times, one of those. Even in this thread, it's like the fact that I have clearly offered pro police viewpoints (which are genuine) is meaningless.

Where I disagree with you though is that I do think a lot of moderate Democrats really do hold moderate viewpoints and they aren't just capitulating as a sign of weakness to "impress" Republicans with their objectivity. For example, I honestly believe that Obama, if given the choice, would govern like a very moderate Republican. I think he believes the AOC/Bernie wing is too extreme, even privately.

I will say that the third party voters (I'm 99% referring to swing states where the consequences matter) don't have a good standing to call Obama or Clinton weak. After all, they can't even vote to stop these clowns. I struggle to understand the hard lefties like Kyle Kulinski. They love to claim to be the fresh outsider and call the Democrats weak, but then they don't even vote. I'm sorry, but the third party voters have to own some of the RBG fallout, if Trump does sneak a judge through. It can't just be Clinton and Obama's fault.

Where I get turned off to the progressives is when they hypocritically decide to be pals with the Joe Rogan types that like to laugh at Democrats and treat them like a punching bag. It's one of the reasons why I left the Bernie base; I saw too much of this. If you want to be the "purity test" type, you have to totally own it. Own not voting. Own the losing of the court. If you then see Joe Rogan fans as people to flip, you can't really criticize Democrats for trying to pull over Republican voters either.

I keep saying this, but I really wish the progressives and moderates would see the best of both worlds. Progressives are 100% correct about playing tough and to stop apologizing; I respect their backbone. However, I actually agree with moderates more on the issues. I wish there were moderates (as in moderate viewpoints on immigration, law and order, education reform, military budget) that had a strong backbone politically.
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Strong & logical argument @Zugzug. I think you're right in stating that there are Democrats who hold a strong and firm belief in centrism and act on their principles & I don't think all of them are opportunists.

What I find interesting is that the balance between idealism and pragmatism is more in conflict for most moderates than progressives. Citizen's United comes to mind. The Democratic leadership has once stated that they want to overturn this, but at the same time they say that, as long as it exists, they want to accept unlimited donations from corporations during elections to level the playing field with the Republicans, who have no moral objection against CU. Not only is this a hypocrite thing to do, it also has political consequences, namely that accepting corporate donations influence voting behaviour of some moderate Dems and make them in certain cases not any different from the pro-business Republicans. The Progressives (except Elisabeth Warren maybe) at least recognise that accepting corporate donations and serving people don't always mix together.

Some moderate Democrats are no different from Republicans in some respects. Just as republicans, most moderate Democrats are strongly dependent on campaign contributions from corporations. It's not weird to think that some corporations act out of altruism, just like Ben & Jerry's often give campaign donations to Green New Deal politicians for reasons that are not per se related to their business, even if it might help boost their image. Other corporations are more of ''pay to play'' and expect that politicians return the favour.

There are bunch of examples of moderate politicians who are changing/altering their views (ideals) as they belief that accepting corporate money is the only pragmatic way to challenge the heavily funded Republicans. Congressman Richard Neal is one of those moderates who accept corporate donations, in this case from private equity and health care industry . He promotes himself as a guy who gets things done & beliefs in business friendly moderation that works for the average Joe/Jane. As head of the House Ways and Means Committee, he opposed a bipartisan bill to curb the practice of ''surprise'' medical billing, when health care providers outside of a hospital's insurance network spring exorbitant bills on unwitting patients. Basically, he is selling out patients for donors that fund his campaign.

Neal is not the only exception, as we already have seen in this threat with other moderates like Derek Kilmer (accepts donation from a mining corporation & consequently draws a bill that promotes commercial mining in space) & Andrew Cuomo (accepts donation from health care lobby groups and & gives immunity to nursing home executives). And the list goes on when it concerns moderate politicians who sell ideals for the sake of ''pragmatism''.

You're are not wrong in posing the argument that Progressives need to stick to their principles at all times, even if it concerns an endorsement of one individual. IMO Joe Rogan's endorsement should have been rejected by Bernie Sanders. I understand that he is a huge influencer and that he might be effective in convincing lots of people in supporting the Progressive cause, but his history is at odds with Progressive ideals & has slightly damaged the credibility of Bernie's campaign.

When it comes to ''terrible'' endorsements, the same goes for the DNC and the moderate Democratic leadership. They can finger-point all they want about progressive faux ''purism'', so why don't they start giving a good example themselves? The Democrats did not set a good example by accepting the endorsements of war hawks (such as Collin Powell), Anti-gay, anti-abortion & union busting conservatives (John Kasich), etc.

Like you, I hope that Progressives and Centrists find common ground somehow in how to tackle the troubles of our times, like global warming. A divided Democratic Party will only serve those who will make your country, and in broad sense our planet, not a better place to life in.



Link about Richard Neal: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rich...r-surprise-billing_n_5f4de7d6c5b64f17e1422adf
 
#2,350
just1morething said:
Why in God's sake does the Red Light District exist in your country? I agree Trump should be more concerned about global warming if the US burning of fossil fuels is one of the main causes. I would guess China pollutes the air the most though.
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Ah, I expected your answer @just1morething ;) Please leave the lovely people of the RLD out of our threat. Surely they didn't do any nasty stuff to you when you were in Amsterdam, right?

NOP, the problem will not solved with Trump at the helm. Most definitely not. He doesn't even understand the basics of climate change. Sweet Lord, he really beliefs that ''explosive trees'' (!!!!) are the cause of the California wildfire. The dude is ripe for the psych ward.

Link: https://www.independent.co.uk/envir...ia-science-denial-climate-change-b447113.html
 
#2,351
PeteJ said:
What about the Democrats compromising security by their sell-out deals with China? Is that unimportant because it's Democrats?

The liberals here are hypocrites. They won't be objective so why ask them serious questions??
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No it's not, I'm just answering the question.

When it comes to politics, it seems everyone is a hypocrite.
 
#2,353
PeteJ said:
LOL. He barely even talks and when he does, people are saying, "wtf did he just say?" The Dems are obviously limiting how many speeches and presentations he makes.

That's not a display of independence.
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He just gave a perfectly coherent townhall on cnn he other day. He doesn't "barely talk". His strategy of staying out of the spotlight is working.

But there's a lot of issues that he's shown independence on. Trump meanwhile takes whatever McConnell gives him.
 
#2,354
aot said:
Are you more knowledgeable on Nazi rhetoric than a Holocaust expert?
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Perhaps not but I can say that, through exposure since the 1950s, I am very familiar with numerous victims, and family members of victims, of the Holocaust. Most, but not all, of those with number tattoos on their arms are dead, but I have yet to hear anybody who is somehow connected to the Holocaust, say that Trump is in any way Nazi-like. And, the Trump family is very well known here, in Brooklyn, for a very long time, and very well liked by their former tenants and associates.

The man who made the comments about Trump, is Steve Silberman. He is not a New Yorker, which had a huge number of Holocaust victims settle here after WWII. I also question his credentials as a Holocaust expert. He has an agenda, and this is where his opinions are from. I am sure that he knows plenty about Autism, and has proven that, but as far as Nazis, he very likely not an expert on the topic.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-nazi-eugenics-holocaust-twitter-b511858.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Silberman
 
#2,356
PeteJ said:
Wrong again.

https://thehill.com/media/306721-rasmussen-calls-itself-most-accurate-pollster-of-2016

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pu...lection_2016/rasmussen_reports_calls_it_right

Trump still won.
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They got the margin right but other pollsters were closer in terms of the actual numbers. For example, Fox News got Hillary's numbers exactly right and only got Trump's off by 2%. Rasmussen was just lucky they got both candidates numbers off by 3%, so the error balanced out. That doesn't make them a better pollster.

Gotta love the fact that your articles only say they say they did the best. I'm sure they do feel that way...
 
#2,357
PeteJ said:
DemocRATS are crooks too. They're all crooks. Even Greg might agree.
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Back in the 60's and 70's, I meet many of them, either thru the schools that I attended in Massachusetts and New Hampshire or thru their friendships with my parents. I was very close friends with a daughter of one, who's parents were best friends with my parents. Her mother did not like me because I didn't want to become a lawyer.

I later got married to a girl that I grow up with and 5 years later, we moved to California where life was like living on a very disturbed planet. Long story, short, I met my present wife in 2003. A beautiful relationship and it still is, but my physical hell and with tinnitus has defrayed my life.

I need several operations and procedures. I need to make the first decision in 30 minutes. This procedure may kill me.

I wish to thank everyone here for their friendship. I love you all.
 
#2,358
Christiaan said:
Strong & logical argument @Zugzug. I think you're right in stating that there are Democrats who hold a strong and firm belief in centrism and act on their principles & I don't think all of them are opportunists.

What I find interesting is that the balance between idealism and pragmatism is more in conflict for most moderates than progressives. Citizen's United comes to mind. The Democratic leadership has once stated that they want to overturn this, but at the same time they say that, as long as it exists, they want to accept unlimited donations from corporations during elections to level the playing field with the Republicans, who have no moral objection against CU. Not only is this a hypocrite thing to do, it also has political consequences, namely that accepting corporate donations influence voting behaviour of some moderate Dems and make them in certain cases not any different from the pro-business Republicans. The Progressives (except Elisabeth Warren maybe) at least recognise that accepting corporate donations and serving people don't always mix together.

Some moderate Democrats are no different from Republicans in some respects. Just as republicans, most moderate Democrats are strongly dependent on campaign contributions from corporations. It's not weird to think that some corporations act out of altruism, just like Ben & Jerry's often give campaign donations to Green New Deal politicians for reasons that are not per se related to their business, even if it might help boost their image. Other corporations are more of ''pay to play'' and expect that politicians return the favour.

There are bunch of examples of moderate politicians who are changing/altering their views (ideals) as they belief that accepting corporate money is the only pragmatic way to challenge the heavily funded Republicans. Congressman Richard Neal is one of those moderates who accept corporate donations, in this case from private equity and health care industry . He promotes himself as a guy who gets things done & beliefs in business friendly moderation that works for the average Joe/Jane. As head of the House Ways and Means Committee, he opposed a bipartisan bill to curb the practice of ''surprise'' medical billing, when health care providers outside of a hospital's insurance network spring exorbitant bills on unwitting patients. Basically, he is selling out patients for donors that fund his campaign.

Neal is not the only exception, as we already have seen in this threat with other moderates like Derek Kilmer (accepts donation from a mining corporation & consequently draws a bill that promotes commercial mining in space) & Andrew Cuomo (accepts donation from health care lobby groups and & gives immunity to nursing home executives). And the list goes on when it concerns moderate politicians who sell ideals for the sake of ''pragmatism''.

You're are not wrong in posing the argument that Progressives need to stick to their principles at all times, even if it concerns an endorsement of one individual. IMO Joe Rogan's endorsement should have been rejected by Bernie Sanders. I understand that he is a huge influencer and that he might be effective in convincing lots of people in supporting the Progressive cause, but his history is at odds with Progressive ideals & has slightly damaged the credibility of Bernie's campaign.

When it comes to ''terrible'' endorsements, the same goes for the DNC and the moderate Democratic leadership. They can finger-point all they want about progressive faux ''purism'', so why don't they start giving a good example themselves? The Democrats did not set a good example by accepting the endorsements of war hawks (such as Collin Powell), Anti-gay, anti-abortion & union busting conservatives (John Kasich), etc.

Like you, I hope that Progressives and Centrists find common ground somehow in how to tackle the troubles of our times, like global warming. A divided Democratic Party will only serve those who will make your country, and in broad sense our planet, not a better place to life in.



Link about Richard Neal: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rich...r-surprise-billing_n_5f4de7d6c5b64f17e1422adf
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That's an interesting article that you linked. From looking at Neal's Massachusetts's 1st congressional district results, it seems as though he is winning by landslides since 2012, up until the 2020 primaries, when he edged out Alex Morse 58.8% to 41.2%. This is clearly an indication that progressives are gaining power. Morse had a number of backers on his side like Fight Corporate Monopolies. Surprise, out-of-network medical bills, passed on directly from provider to patient, are definitely an unacceptable outcome for the American people. This is unchecked monopoly.

Neal defends his scrapping of the original bill by saying that insurance companies wanted the $750 cap on out-of-network expenses so that providers were limited in how much to charge them. He paints a picture of being pro provider, anti-insurance by rejecting the bill. However, insurance companies will just pass the bill to the patient anyways. The whole thing sounds fishy since both industries profit so much.

As far as Citizens United, it's funny that this was actually upheld by the Supreme Court because Republicans wanted to use money-as-speech to criticize Clinton in 2008. I think Democrats, to some degree, play political games with this decision, saying they are against it, while knowing these are games that help them as well.

Regarding Rogan (and Bernie's original endorsement of Cenk Uygur for that matter), I honestly don't even care that he accepts Rogan's endorsement. One could argue that it's smart. I just think when you are the progressives, and you are trying to make the argument that you can lead the country, the purity tests look kind of amateur to me. I want leaders who can take a punch, not hide while someone takes it for them.

Of course, the Democratic party is doing this now too. When convenient, they are voicing pro-progressive language to sway over voters. I'm really tired of all of it. I want progressives to stop acting like the cool TA that's going to usurp the mean professor who made a difficult exam. Likewise, I want the Democratic party to actually help its citizens.

Unfortunately, what actually happens is progressives read every poll in the way that they want, convinced that every moderate is a closet progressive. Most moderates "generally support" progressive ideas, but do not fully agree with Sanders behind closed doors. This holds them back, in my opinion.

In the example above with Neal, this is a perfect example where everyone would see a problem, but not understand the details well enough to have a strong opinion. I personally have very little understanding of how insurance companies negotiate with providers. I know that providers make enough money for Neal's claim to be bullshit. But how much bullshit? I don't know, and I think these are the questions that moderates have and why they are uncomfortable with M4A.

Will providers hate M4A? What will happen to wait times? I honestly don't understand this problem. But if you polled me, I would say I want to see less abhorrent profiteering in medicine.
 
#2,359
Born To Slay said:
He just gave a perfectly coherent townhall on cnn he other day. He doesn't "barely talk". His strategy of staying out of the spotlight is working.

But there's a lot of issues that he's shown independence on. Trump meanwhile takes whatever McConnell gives him.
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Yeah, okay. :rolleyes:

https://nypost.com/2020/09/21/biden-mistakenly-says-millions-have-died-from-covid-19-in-us/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...s-iran-iraq-reading-notes-tampa-speech-video/

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama...ech-a-painful-festival-of-bugs-and-confusion/

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/o...tory-gaffes-but-what-do-they-mean/5794755002/
 
#2,360
Greg Sacramento said:
Back in the 60' and 70's, I meet many of them, either thru the schools that I attended in Massachusetts and New Hampshire or thru their friendships with my parents. I was very close friends to a daughter of one, who's parents were best friends with my parents. Her mother did not like me because I didn't want to become a lawyer.

I later got married to a girl that I grow up with and 5 years later, we moved to California where life was like living on a very disturbed planet. Long story, short, I met my present wife in 2003. A beautiful relationship and it still is, but my physical hell and with tinnitus has defrayed my life.

I need several operations and procedures. I need to make the first decision in 30 minutes. This procedure may kill me.

I wish to thank everyone here for their friendship. I love you all.
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Sorry to hear that. I don't trust operations because I think most surgeons don't give a crap. It's just money to them.

I wish someone told me to become a lawyer. I wish I pursued it. I suspect it's a relatively quiet job and if I was successful, maybe I wouldn't have tinnitus right now.

I was actually interested in that prospect during my senior high school year.

I think it sucks when you're surrounded by uncaring, phoney people, though.

I sincerely hope you can feel better and somehow, your health improves. You really seem like a nice guy.
 
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#2,363
PeteJ said:
Okay. My tinnitus is spiking so I don't want to argue.

I don't know why you guys always ignore points with your tit for tat, "oh yeah, Trump did this..." It's juvenile. I don't care if Trump had gaffes. I know he had them. I am not the one passionately supporting/defending one party. You are.
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Most people in this thread are honest that they don't really like Biden, so they're voting against Trump. That's why people will point out that Trump did worse. Because they're only voting for Biden to get rid of Trump. FGG said that if Trump wasn't so shitty, she'd probably sit out the election and I agree with her honestly.

But if you are going to criticize Biden, it's only fair to point if Trump did the same thing. Because we're trying to decide which one to vote for. Not if either one is perfect.
 
#2,364
Born To Slay said:
Most people in this thread are honest that they don't really like Biden, so they're voting against Trump. That's why people will point out that Trump did worse. Because they're only voting for Biden to get rid of Trump. FGG said that if Trump wasn't so shitty, she'd probably sit out the election and I agree with her honestly.

But if you are going to criticize Biden, it's only fair to point if Trump did the same thing. Because we're trying to decide which one to vote for. Not if either one is perfect.
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Not that it ultimately matters because he's never going to see any remotely liberal POV as valid but it's probably best not to mention me. He despises my views in particular and has said he has hidden me for "being annoying" :).
 
#2,365
FGG said:
Not that it ultimately matters because he's never going to see any remotely liberal POV as valid but it's probably best not to mention me. He despises my views in particular and has said he has hidden me for "being annoying" :).
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Ah gotcha, I didn't realize that. I was just trying to cite another liberal who's only tolerating Biden.
 
#2,366
Born To Slay said:
Ah gotcha, I didn't realize that. I was just trying to cite another liberal who's only tolerating Biden.
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I'm another liberal who is only tolerating Biden. There were numerous other innovative and exciting candidates to rally behind, but DNC leadership fervently backed Biden instead of supporting someone like Bernie or Yang. They wanted to play it "safe," which in all honestly, looks like a smart plan at this point in time. We can sit here and question polling credibility all day, but Joe Biden is ahead unanimously right now. I don't see how he loses, if he continues this cautious strategy — while allowing for Trump to continue his outrageous antics and beat himself.

I'm not a big supporter of Biden when it comes to policy. In my view, he will not lead us to great social or economic victories. I see him as more of a placeholder until 2024, but I hope he pleasantly surprises me. All of his policies are not terrible. For instance, he is much better than Trump on something like disability coverage. However, I would like to see him go further and take progressive action. He is reminiscent of an establishment, status-quo moderate, but that option is still far better than Trump's classlessness and ignorance. Why ignorance? Look no further than his view on climate change and humans' role in exacerbating it.

A vote for Biden is a vote for future party improvement. Candidates like Biden will not be the future of the party. We are moving toward more liberal and even socially democratic options, but change takes time. For us liberals, we have to make more noise (with earplugs in of course) and show the DNC we will not settle for establishment candidates in the future. However, for now, Biden is the only viable option if we want to have a chance at recovery in 2024. Otherwise, we'll have to dig out of an even larger mess.

We can't afford to do that.
 
#2,367
So what do the Russians think about the US presidential election? What's their favourite candidate?

In the end this is all that matters, as they will interfere as they did during the 2016 election...
 
#2,368
I hate Trump because I'm just a hateful person. It couldn't possibly be that my eyes are wide open to the inhumane, horrific greed before my eyes. I have a severe, progressive disability that is impossible to prove. Proof is response to medication. Good luck to me.

https://www.americanprogress.org/is...12/489401/trumps-plan-defund-social-security/
The president also said that if he is reelected, he wants not only to turn the delay into a tax cut that would result in significant revenue losses for Social Security, but also to eliminate employee payroll taxes for good. As our analysis based on the Social Security trustees' projections shows, eliminating employee payroll taxes along the lines that the president has proposed would, absent additional action, completely exhaust the Social Security trust fund by 2026 or earlier and result in steep benefit cuts.
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https://www.ncpssm.org/entitledtokn...brutal-and-vile-attack-on-disabled-americans/
Calling a proposed new Trump administration rule a "brutal and vile attack on the Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) system," lawmakers and advocates pledged on Tuesday to fight back "with all their might." The Social Security Administration wants to impose a new layer of disability review on SSDI beneficiaries – effectively forcing them to "re-prove" their disabilities every two years. This new step (which advocates say amounts to an "audit") will compel beneficiaries living on fixed incomes to produce additional medical and financial records – and could ultimately strip millions of their disability benefits.
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This is nothing short of a nightmare. All of the hoops, hiring disability lawyers, proving medical records. Yet, here we are, on a medical forum for an invisible disability that is impossible to prove, with people worshipping this asshat or asking me to "find the good in him," while saying meaner things towards people like me, whose life is ruined.

It doesn't have to be this way. Read about cognitive dissonance. It requires self-reflection, self-awareness -- an ability to separate emotions (cognitive dissonance) from logical thinking of who to direct blame towards.
 
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Romney says he will proceed with a vote on Trump's Supreme Court pick.
"My liberal friends have over many decades gotten very used to the idea of having a liberal court, but that's not written in the stars," he said. "I know a lot of people are saying, 'Gosh, we don't want that change.' I understand the energy associated with that perspective. But it's also appropriate for a nation that is, if you will, center-right to have a court which reflects center-right points of view."
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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/0...ing-forward-to-fill-the-supreme-court-vacancy

If the nation is center-right, why are Republicans always oppressed?
 

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