2024 US Presidential Election

[Luman]

@Luman and @just1morething:

Apparently, Trump ordered the US military to start drafting plans to take over the Panama canal forcibly. On top of that, he reiterated his desire to annex both Canada and Greenland.

I remember one or both of you stating that you voted for Trump because he is an anti-war President. However, his current statements and actions seem to contradict this.

What's your take on this? And how do you feel about Trump's foreign policy so far?

In a worst-case scenario, would you support Trump putting boots on the ground in Canada or Greenland?

The Panama Canal had been taken over by billionaires associated with Hong Kong and the People's Republic of China. This is unacceptable.

He had little to no war during his first term; now he has to straighten out the situations that developed during Biden's term. His foreign policies are more focused on business than recent previous presidents.

In a worst-case scenario, such as Canada or Greenland being attacked or occupied by an enemy country, I would support defending them with our military. I don't know or foresee what other "worst-case scenarios" would justify American military actions in these countries, but there probably are some, so I would have to say it depends on why.

He likes to rile people with statements and has always been this way. It makes for interesting responses, such as many on this thread, and, of course, everywhere else there is media coverage. As his words are often deliberately twisted and/or taken out of context by those who oppose him, he probably figures that he might as well give them something that sounds shocking once in a while, just for the hell of it.

Ten percent of the American stock market has been wiped out just the past month.

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The stock market goes up and down. The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Trump is making major changes and investors are spooked. It will probably take some time before the markets return to positive territory.

 

[Fields]

The Panama Canal had been taken over by billionaires associated with Hong Kong and the People's Republic of China. This is unacceptable.

He had little to no war during his first term; now he has to straighten out the situations that developed during Biden's term. His foreign policies are more focused on business than recent previous presidents.

In a worst-case scenario, such as Canada or Greenland being attacked or occupied by an enemy country, I would support defending them with our military. I don't know or foresee what other "worst-case scenarios" would justify American military actions in these countries, but there probably are some, so I would have to say it depends on why.

He likes to rile people with statements and has always been this way. It makes for interesting responses, such as many on this thread, and, of course, everywhere else there is media coverage. As his words are often deliberately twisted and/or taken out of context by those who oppose him, he probably figures that he might as well give them something that sounds shocking once in a while, just for the hell of it.

Thank you for your response; however, I was specifically referring to the US putting boots on the ground to annex Canada or Greenland.

A scenario that suddenly doesn't seem so far-fetched anymore, given Trump's increasingly imperialistic rhetoric.

 

[Luman]

Thank you for your response; however, I was specifically referring to the US putting boots on the ground to annex Canada or Greenland.

A scenario that suddenly doesn't seem so far-fetched anymore, given Trump's increasingly imperialistic rhetoric.

Trump breaking international law and seizing control of an allied country that was not under attack or taken over by a common enemy, or was about to be, is highly unlikely to happen.

 

[Anomalous]

The stock market goes up and down. The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Trump is making major changes and investors are spooked. It will probably take some time before the markets return to positive territory.

This you?

 

[Fields]

Trump breaking international law and seizing control of an allied country that was not under attack or taken over by a common enemy, or was about to be, is highly unlikely to happen.

Honestly, I'm not sure. Making annexation remarks during a meeting with NATO's Secretary-General certainly doesn't bode well.

It might've started as a weird form of trolling or a negotiation tactic, but he seems really hung up on the idea of expanding America's territory.

 

[Luman]

This you?

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Yes, it was four years ago. The recent market panic is mostly about Trump's policies, and investors are nervous and wary. This may last for a while, but the fundamental economy is fine, and the markets will recover better than ever.

The Biden administration was a disaster. We have no idea who created many of his policies, but it certainly wasn't him. I do not like the man personally, but he was not a "progressive" or nearly as bad during his career in politics as when he became president and was suffering from mental decline. The issue of whether he signed bills or somebody else did it with an autopen of his signature must be investigated. He deserves the benefit of the doubt until more information is found. Democrats are destroying their party. James Carville recognizes this and is talking about it.

 

[just1morething]

Yeah, because they have lead in their brains.

Are you transsexual, bi-sexual, or queer? Just curious. I do not hate the LGBTQ community but they should have their limits.

 

[Luman]

Honestly, I'm not sure. Making annexation remarks during a meeting with NATO's Secretary-General certainly doesn't bode well.

It might've started as a weird form of trolling or a negotiation tactic, but he seems really hung up on the idea of expanding America's territory.

The United States could do so much for Greenland that I think they'd be foolish not to at least listen to what Trump has in mind. The U.S. owns several territories, and they're not seeking to leave.

 

[RunningMan]

Trump called this correctly, just 7 months too early:

 

[Anomalous]

Are you transsexual, bi-sexual, or queer? Just curious. I do not hate the LGBTQ community but they should have their limits.

You certainly have yours.

 

[just1morething]

Trump called this correctly, just 7 months too early:

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Are you part of the LGBTQ community too? It seems like they all hate Trump.

 

[just1morething]

Elon Musk breaks down the EXACT details, step by step, on the Democrats' plan for America and what they will do if they ever win another election:

"This is why the Democrat machine is so intent on destroying me"

"What's actually happening is they're buying voters. That's really what's happening. It's like a giant voter fraud scam. They're importing voters and it's really just a matter of time. A lot of people have trouble believing this but the more you look at it, the more you will realize just how much of a problem this is and how it's not just real. It is an attempt to destroy democracy in America."

- There are 7 swing states, like often the margin of victory, there is like maybe 20,000 votes
- If you put 200,000 illegals in there and they have like a 80% likelihood of voting Democrat
- It's only a matter of time before they become citizens
- Those swing states will not be swing states in the future
- If they're not swing states, we'll be a permanent one-party state, permanent, deep blue socialist state

That's what America will become. That was the game plan. That is still the game plan."

"If the machine of which the Kamala puppet was the representation had won, that's what would've happened."

"The reason I went so hardcore for Trump was because to me this was a fork in the road. Like a very obvious fork in the road. If they had another 4 years:

- They would legalize enough illegals in the swing states to make the swing states, not swing states
- They would be blue states
- Then they would win the Presidency
- They'd win the house
- They'd win the Senate
- They would then make DC into a state and maybe Puerto Rico too
- Get 4 extra senators
- Pack the Supreme Court
- So you'll have the house Judiciary, Senate and presidency all blue
- Tthen they will keep importing more illegals to cement that, that outcome basically what happened in California

It would've been the end. That's why I went so hardcore for Trump. It would have otherwise been the end and that's why the Democrat machine is so intent on destroying me."

"I invite people to do their research. The more they do the research, the more they will see that what I'm saying is absolutely true."

 

[Luman]

 

[RunningMan]

Are you part of the LGBTQ community too? It seems like they all hate Trump.

I'm not, but it's not just the LGBTQ community that doesn't like Trump. More and more of those who voted for him are regretting their votes after seeing the damage he is doing to the country, adding tariffs, causing higher prices, wide-scale slashing of needed Federal workers, pushing us into a recession, and saying he's ok with that with a stupid smirk on his face.

You need to spend less time listening to Elon talk about Democrats and more about the harm that he and Trump are doing to the country and what they still want to do, like cutting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. I warned about that various times in this thread, and Elon says that's what they need to cut. When you finally realize what's going on, you will probably come around to realize you made a huge mistake voting for Trump.

 

[Jammer]

 

[just1morething]

You certainly have yours.

I'm going to make a wild guess that your husband or partner's name is "Dick."

 

[just1morething]

President Trump:

Today, I have ordered the United States Military to launch decisive and powerful Military action against the Houthi terrorists in Yemen. They have waged an unrelenting campaign of piracy, violence, and terrorism against American, and other, ships, aircraft, and drones.

Joe Biden's response was pathetically weak, so the unrestrained Houthis just kept going. It has been over a year since a U.S. flagged commercial ship safely sailed through the Suez Canal, the Red Sea, or the Gulf of Aden. The last American Warship to go through the Red Sea, four months ago, was attacked by the Houthis over a dozen times. Funded by Iran, the Houthi thugs have fired missiles at U.S. aircraft, and targeted our Troops and Allies. These relentless assaults have cost the U.S. and World Economy many BILLIONS of Dollars while, at the same time, putting innocent lives at risk.

The Houthi attack on American vessels will not be tolerated. We will use overwhelming lethal force until we have achieved our objective. The Houthis have choked off shipping in one of the most important Waterways of the World, grinding vast swaths of Global Commerce to a halt, and attacking the core principle of Freedom of Navigation upon which International Trade and Commerce depends.

Our brave Warfighters are right now carrying out aerial attacks on the terrorists' bases, leaders, and missile defenses to protect American shipping, air, and naval assets, and to restore Navigational Freedom. No terrorist force will stop American commercial and naval vessels from freely sailing the Waterways of the World.

To all Houthi terrorists, YOUR TIME IS UP, AND YOUR ATTACKS MUST STOP, STARTING TODAY. IF THEY DON'T, HELL WILL RAIN DOWN UPON YOU LIKE NOTHING YOU HAVE EVER SEEN BEFORE!

To Iran: Support for the Houthi terrorists must end IMMEDIATELY! Do NOT threaten the American People, their President, who has received one of the largest mandates in Presidential History, or Worldwide shipping lanes. If you do, BEWARE, because America will hold you fully accountable and, we won't be nice about it!

 

[Fields]

Trump ramped up military action against the Houthis today by bombing Yemen, stating:

"No terrorist force will stop American commercial and naval vessels from freely sailing the Waterways of the World."

I wonder where all these ships will be sailing to when his global trade war fully kicks off on April 2nd, though.

 

[just1morething]

I'm not, but it's not just the LGBTQ community that doesn't like Trump. More and more of those who voted for him are regretting their votes after seeing the damage he is doing to the country, adding tariffs, causing higher prices, wide-scale slashing of needed Federal workers, pushing us into a recession, and saying he's ok with that with a stupid smirk on his face.

You need to spend less time listening to Elon talk about Democrats and more about the harm that he and Trump are doing to the country and what they still want to do, like cutting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. I warned about that various times in this thread, and Elon says that's what they need to cut. When you finally realize what's going on, you will probably come around to realize you made a huge mistake voting for Trump.

I don't mean to say this out of disrespect, but have you ever had your head examined? Many of the things you say are untrue or don't make sense.

 

[Anomalous]

I'm going to make a wild guess that your husband or partner's name is "Dick."

That is a wild guess on multiple levels, which goes to show just how clueless you are in general.

 

[grate_biff]

 

[RunningMan]

I don't mean to say this out of disrespect, but have you ever had your head examined? Many of the things you say are untrue or don't make sense.

Perhaps it is well above your understanding, but everything I stated can be confirmed. I've noticed when you don't have any relevant response, you just like to hurl insults at people. Other times, you're just copying and pasting. That's easier than addressing the issues, huh?

 

[just1morething]

Perhaps it is well above your understanding, but everything I stated can be confirmed. I've noticed when you don't have any relevant response, you just like to hurl insults at people. Other times, you're just copying and pasting. That's easier than addressing the issues, huh?

Anyone that would vote for Harris deserves insults. She was never a legitimate presidential candidate. Trump got the border closed and is deporting dangerous illegal alien criminals that your "boss" foolishly let into this country. You sound like Newsom. Is he your governor? I would bet he is judging by your avatar and your posts.

 

[just1morething]

NEW: Elon Musk speaks with Sean Hannity about the Tesla Dealerships being firebombed and assassination attempts

ELON MUSK: "It's come as quite a shock to me that there's this level of hatred and violence from the left. I always thought that Democrats were supposed to be the party of empathy and caring and yet they're burning down cars, firebombing dealerships, firing bullets into dealerships, and smashing up Teslas.

Tesla is a peaceful company, we've never done anything harmful. I've never done anything harmful, I've only done productive things. I think we have a deranged mental illness thing going on here because this doesn't make any sense.

I think there are larger forces at work as well, I don't know, who is funding this and who is coordinating this? Because this is crazy, I've never seen anything like this."

 

[Fields]

NEW: Elon Musk speaks with Sean Hannity about the Tesla Dealerships being firebombed and assassination attempts

ELON MUSK: "It's come as quite a shock to me that there's this level of hatred and violence from the left. I always thought that Democrats were supposed to be the party of empathy and caring and yet they're burning down cars, firebombing dealerships, firing bullets into dealerships, and smashing up Teslas.

Tesla is a peaceful company, we've never done anything harmful. I've never done anything harmful, I've only done productive things. I think we have a deranged mental illness thing going on here because this doesn't make any sense.

I think there are larger forces at work as well, I don't know, who is funding this and who is coordinating this? Because this is crazy, I've never seen anything like this."

Oh no! If it isn't the consequences of my own actions.

Instead of doing damage control to save the Tesla brand, Musk is doubling down on shifting blame on anyone other than himself.

I don't condone damaging other people's property, but unfortunately for Musk, Tesla is cooked.

 

[Luman]

Musk has done nothing wrong - he's simply an advisor to the government. Those who are caught for vandalizing, or worse, against his interests, should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

The majority of voters chose the president, but there are people who do not believe in the rules that any civilized country has and are engaging in barbaric behaviors.

 

[Anomalous]

The majority of voters chose the president, but there are people who do not believe in the rules that any civilized country has and are engaging in barbaric behaviors.

Delete your account.

 

[just1morething]

Oh no! If it isn't the consequences of my own actions.

Instead of doing damage control to save the Tesla brand, Musk is doubling down on shifting blame on anyone other than himself.

I don't condone damaging other people's property, but unfortunately for Musk, Tesla is cooked.

I think the Democrats are going more psycho than they already are. Trump and Musk are doing good things for the average American. Trump is just resetting the tariffs to what other countries are charging the U.S. and then will readjust accordingly after that. Trump has extremely bright cabinet members advising him. Of course part of the reason in raising the tarriffs for Mexico, Canada, and China was to make them help with the Fentanyl crisis coming through our borders.

Elon Musk finding massive fraud in the government spending is good for U.S. taxpayers and also for reducing the massive federal debt. Fraudsters always get mad when they are caught and it appears to be mostly Democratic fraud from what I understand.

 

[Fields]

[Musk] is simply an advisor to the government.

Yet he has Lutnick live on FOX, desperately telling people to buy Tesla stock.

The same Lutnick who's tied to Cantor Fitzgerald, which upgraded Tesla stock to a "buy"—even though the company is (literally) burning right now.

Isn't this a violation of the Hatch Act?

 

[Luman]

Yet he has Lutnick live on FOX, desperately telling people to buy Tesla stock.

The same Lutnick who's tied to Cantor Fitzgerald, which upgraded Tesla stock to a "buy"—even though the company is (literally) burning right now.

Isn't this a violation of the Hatch Act?

"Remember: this isn't the first time Tesla has doubled and subsequently gotten cut in half, and it likely won't be the last." — Alexander Sandler, managing director and senior research analyst with a focus on transportation technology, Piper Sander & Co., Investment Banking, Park Avenue, New York City.

Musk has not announced any plans to leave his government post anytime soon, which indicates that he's not very worried about Tesla.

I do not know whether Lutnick violated the Hatch Act. People are saying he did, but has anybody with high credentials, who is not a political enemy, verified this charge as true?