Autifony Therapeutics Phase II Study for AUT00063, for the Treatment of Hearing Loss and Tinnitus

[Lloyd Carter]

I'm just concerned about Trobalt not working on so many TT members. If Trobalt opens ALL potassium channel modulators (including 2 and 3, the two targeted by Autifony), and hasn't worked for many TT members, isn't it doubtful that Autifony's going to be THAT great?

 

[Silvio Sabo]

I'm just concerned about Trobalt not working on so many TT members. If Trobalt opens ALL potassium channel modulators (including 2 and 3, the two targeted by Autifony), and hasn't worked for many TT members, isn't it doubtful that Autifony's going to be THAT great?

Probably because Trobalt doesn't work equally as well on all types of ion channels. As I stated previously it's probably a dosage thing. Since we are all not equally sensitive to drugs Trobalt could perhaps have worked for them as well if they would have been able to increase the dose enough. But at high doses Trobolt is a really nasty drug when it comes to side effects. With a clean drug that targets only what is necessary to treat Tinnitus one would probably be able to increase the dosage quite a bit before the side effects start getting really serious.

 

[nills]

I'm just concerned about Trobalt not working on so many TT members. If Trobalt opens ALL potassium channel modulators (including 2 and 3, the two targeted by Autifony), and hasn't worked for many TT members, isn't it doubtful that Autifony's going to be THAT great?

Trobalr works, it`s just the amount and lenght of taking that is hard to pin down.. like Silvio says ... it has to do with side effects. Maybe a bit more and trobalt would do great wonders ... but it is too nasty for the body to take... we need more specific targeting .. hopefully AUT00063 is it.

 

[noisebox]

What I meant was. I have T, plus reactive T or H don't know which. So my T reacts to noise by increasing. If I do have H, then the only result of noise is increased T, so if the drug worked technically it would cure H, in my case, if I do have it.

 

[noisebox]

Sorry wrong thread but I don't understand if Keppra works so well for H why the hyperacusis researchers don't want to know and why no firms like Autiphony want to take it on as an idea

 

[grate_biff]

I'm just concerned about Trobalt not working on so many TT members. If Trobalt opens ALL potassium channel modulators (including 2 and 3, the two targeted by Autifony), and hasn't worked for many TT members, isn't it doubtful that Autifony's going to be THAT great?

Autifony´s drug acts on on specific Kv3(3.1) channel not the Kv7 channels. This has been stated a thousand times in these treads. Its the SF63 that acts on 7.2 and 7.3. Please tell me I´m not wrong about this!

 

[papu]

Trobalr works, it`s just the amount and lenght of taking that is hard to pin down.. like Silvio says ... it has to do with side effects. Maybe a bit more and trobalt would do great wonders ... but it is too nasty for the body to take... we need more specific targeting .. hopefully AUT00063 is it.

I agree with you there is a very high percentage of the participants in the trial that have had major improvements. Its a question of dosage and time (the longer you had it the higher and longer you will probably will have to take it and maybe for life).

I myself (6 months post trauma) had major reductions in tinnitus level and will keep taking it for two months and then see if i am cure or will have to wait for sci flour pill (trobalt with virtually no side effects) or AUT0063. Not because it does not help but because all the probable side effects after longer use.

current dosage 200 mg three times a day.

 

[Lloyd Carter]

@papu what is "sci flour pill?"

 

[Gill Hayes]

Scifluor (sfoo34) is a new molecule under development / trials in America ( I believe) aimed at epilspy and the development of tinnitus.

http://www.alliedminds.com/announce...34-highlighted-in-the-journal-of-Neuroscience

 

[Lloyd Carter]

@Gill Hayes Any idea why that article only talks about the drug as a way of "preventing" tinnitus?

 

[Gill Hayes]

Another article where it states "treating tinnitus". My understanding is that it is being look at to TREAT both conditions.


http://www.hearingreview.com/2015/06/new-drug-promises-relief-from-tinnitus-epilepsy/

 

[Lloyd Carter]

Interesting. It seems that Autifony results will tell us what we need to know (as far as a potassium channel modulators with fewer side effects than RTG) far before sciflour gets to humans.

 

[Gill Hayes]

I think you're right Lloyd. It's great to see there are pharma company's focusing on Tinnitus at last. Fingers crossed we get something to help us soon - although I suspect it'll be a couple of years at least until trials are completed and, if successful, something gets to market. But who knows, in the not too distant future we may have a choice of treatments . . . here's hoping !!!

 

[dan]

I wonder if it works , if by curing T it will take away H if H symptom is just louder T

It might cure H too, because H is a byproduct of T in most cases.

 

[dan]

@Zimichael why do they ask about tinnitus if this a trial for hearing loss?

 

[Lloyd Carter]

@Gill Hayes True, but I think everyone on this forum would sleep a little easier knowing that Autifony's phase two was officially a success. A few years of waiting knowing the cure (or significant relief) is probably close would be nice!

 

[papu]

@Lloyd Carter
to my understanding sf0034 is the same molecule as retigabine just that by adding floride they made it more potent and with less side effects (for epilepsy, but i think it might be an excellent drug for tinnitus)

I am sorry is not flour is floride . Ha ha ha they sound the same in Spanish" fluor "the element and flour for baking in english my mistake

 

[Gill Hayes]

I totally agree Lloyd - let's hope when the AUT00063 phase 11b trial results are out next year that they are good and the drug progresses to phase 111. It would certainly make a wait more bearable.

 

[Lloyd Carter]

@Gill Hayes I see you are in the UK. Did you think about taking part in phase two?

 

[Gill Hayes]

Hi Lloyd, yes indeed I did. I went for the screening but didn't get on the trial because I'm not suffering enough according to the questionaire you have to complete as part of the screening process. Depending on what the inclusion criteria for phase 111 is going to be, and if I fit the bill, they are going to contact me to take part in that trial.

 

[dan]

Hi Lloyd, yes indeed I did. I went for the screening but didn't get on the trial because I'm not suffering enough according to the questionaire you have to complete as part of the screening process. Depending on what the inclusion criteria for phase 111 is going to be, and if I fit the bill, they are going to contact me to take part in that trial.

Would u happen to know or guess their minimum and maximum suffering limits?

 

[Gill Hayes]

Hi Dan, there is a series of questions and you have to mark each question on a scale of 1 - 10. 1 being low suffering, 10 being high. When all your answers are totted up you have to get between 25 - 68 (if I remember correctly). Mine score was less than 25 so I didn't get included.

One of the questions was " are you able to enjoy peace and quiet" ! Errr NO, derr !!!

 

[dan]

Hi Dan, there is a series of questions and you have to mark each question on a scale of 1 - 10. 1 being low suffering, 10 being high. When all your answers are totted up you have to get between 25 - 68 (if I remember correctly). Mine score was less than 25 so I didn't get included.

One of the questions was " are you able to enjoy peace and quiet" ! Errr NO, derr !!!

How many questions? Thanks!

 

[Gill Hayes]

Can't remember exactly Dan, about 25.

 

[Lloyd Carter]

Do we have any idea how soon Autifony would start trial three should trial two show success? Within 2016?

 

[Nucleo]

Do we have any idea how soon Autifony would start trial three should trial two show success? Within 2016?

If it's going to be 2016, it's going to be late 2016. They have to finish the ongoing trial, analyze the results and plan phase 3 with the various locations etc.

 

[Neilpk]

I have passed the pre-screening test for the trial.

I will have the screening part early next month. I am just curious to know what to expect. If anyone can share their experiences that would be highly appreciated.

Thanks

 

[dan]

I have passed the pre-screening test for the trial.

I will have the screening part early next month. I am just curious to know what to expect. If anyone can share their experiences that would be highly appreciated.

Thanks

Technically you should't "expect" anything. Just remember how your T is before the trial and then compare it after the trial.

How loud is your T now? Can you hear it over things like the tv? In traffic? While driving? Outdoors? Only indoors? Etc. Log these things now so to the end of the trial you will have some reference points to compare....

Any "expectations" will enhance the placebo effect.

 

[Lloyd Carter]

@Neilpk If you go through with the trial, give us many updates! Praying for you, my friend.

 

[Carlos Galiano]

Does anyone know if they will try AUT63 in the following phases in other countries of the European Union?