Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19) and Tinnitus

[linearb]

I want to know the name(s) of the people responsible for this

Here is a genome, do you understand how viruses work? They don't generally have human names

I personally don' even know anyone that is infected, neither does anyone that I have asked.

cool story, my wife has a family member dead to COVID-19. Is your anecdote better and more useful than mine?

The US has 300,000,000 people in it; it would be very easy for this to kill as many people as fifteen normal flu years and you still might not know anyone effected, because, well... do you know anyone who died of the flu in the past 15 years? Probably not, but it's still like a half million plus in the US.

 

[linearb]

I'm having a super hard time understanding what you mean here.

the person he is responding to has a demonstrated track record of making decidedly on-the-spectrum posts denigrating the basic value of human interaction. One of the more egegious examples of this was when he described sex as "simply masturbating with a woman's body". That may be true for him but it's clearly not the normal biochemical response to sex (oxytoxin etc does things to most people that masturbation does not).

So, that is a post where @HeavyMantra is poking fun at someone we both find to be fairly unbalanced, because directly engaging them is useless.

 

[FGG]

In one of the posts I made many moons ago, I pointed out that sex is using a woman's body to masturbate. It looks like that post made a huge impression on HeavyMantra.

I'm with @HeavyMantra on this one.

But seriously, dude. Have sex with someone you are fond of sometime or at least someone who you want to participate in a mutual pleasure feedback loop with sometime (for a complete lack of a better way to phrase this). Might blow your mind.

 

[FGG]

I want to know the name(s) of the people responsible for this, an explanation, and then real images of what is being claimed. I went to the hardware store yesterday and it reminded me of the first level of Half-Life 2. I personally don't even know anyone that is infected, neither does anyone that I have asked.

I'm not going to call them out but there are a few members of this forum who have it.

 

[HeavyMantra]

I'm having a super hard time understanding what you mean here.

Were people not masturbating? Because of COVID-19? What now??

Disregard it, I was referring to a now deleted thread. It's just something I found comical that was mentioned in the thread.

 

[linearb]

In one of the posts I made many moons ago, I pointed out that sex is using a woman's body to masturbate. It looks like that post made a huge impression on HeavyMantra.

I think it made a huge impression on a lot of us because it speaks volumes about how you view interaction and how fundamentally different it is from the center of the bell curve.

That's fine; it would be boring as fuck if we all thought the same way. However, if someone has a history of comments that at least come across as representing some kind of schizoaffective disorder, well, yes, people are going to take note of that.

Ignoring anything about relationships, gender roles, etc -- sexual intercourse is vastly different than masturbation along purely neurochemical lines because of the hormone release that happens from skin-to-skin contact, and other mechanisms. These are clearly evolutionarily rooted and there will be a lot of variance in it, but the experience you describe,

"Sex just feels like masturbating, using someone else's body"

is fundamentally extremely outside the mainstream world of human-to-human interaction. It might feel like that to you, but that says more about you than it does about people who picked up on that comment and thought "lol, wtf, that's kinda fucked up".

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3115160/

I'm with @HeavyMantra on this one.

But seriously, dude. Have sex with someone you are fond of sometime or at least someone who you want to participate in a mutual pleasure feedback loop with sometime (for a complete lack of a better way to phrase this). Might blow your mind.

He's made it real clear he has no interest in that, has tried it, and sees no value in it.

That's fine, that may be entirely true for him, it just means that his is genetically abnormal, because the drive towards sexual intercourse is one which has to be maintained for the species to survive. Conveniently, he takes himself out of the gene pool with this view, unless he is spending time donating to sperm banks.

 

[SugarMagnolia]

What have YOU personally done to not be economically unequal? What's your education like?

Have you ever tried to not do anything except study for several years? That's all you had to do.

Go to hell.

 

[SugarMagnolia]

It also reduces your exposure to viral load, making you less sick if you do get exposed, so it protects you, too.

But yeah you still should social distance, etc.

Home-made masks can actually increase your chance of catching it:

Whenever Santarpia sees someone wearing a mask in public, that person is constantly touching it, futzing with it, and pulling it down to wipe their mouth. "Masks are really uncomfortable, and no one wears them correctly," he said. "Rather than being protective, you've put something on your face that makes you want to touch your face more, or to touch the outside of the mask, which is infectious. You've created a hazard for yourself that's right on your face."

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...us-pandemic-airborne-go-outside-masks/609235/

 

[aot]

@SugarMagnolia, @Bill Bauer, @HeavyMantra, @linearb, @FGG

and everyone else.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Go to hell.

The answer is clear - you haven't DONE anything and NOW you expect the people who HAVE worked more than you ever did (I happened to pay for what I have now with my 20s) to support you. How Ironic is this - you are the one who wants stuff from the others - THEY point out to YOU that you can go to hell.

 

[Bill Bauer]

But seriously, dude. Have sex with someone you are fond of sometime or at least someone who you want to participate in a mutual pleasure feedback loop with sometime (for a complete lack of a better way to phrase this). Might blow your mind.

Been there, done that. Every single time most of the relationship is me fighting to reduce the frequency of seeing them. I don't see the point of meeting more often than once a month, but they have a different point of view. Then come the tears and the rest of the nonsense. Each lady seems to follow the same script (and age doesn't matter - they can be in their 30s or 50s, they keep going through the Same set of motions). This, despite me telling them on the first date exactly what I want out of the relationship - "you will never meet my family, I will never meet any of your family or friends, we will be meeting about once a month, no restaurants, or "going out"." The one in her 50s didn't take it well (at all!) when (towards the end of the relationship) I had to spell it out to her that I considered socializing with her as a Cost.

As I pointed out in that old post, just because I like milk doesn't mean that it makes sense for me to have a cow living at my place (or that it would make sense to spend time entertaining the cow).

In fact, personally, I believe that there is only one gender.

Besides, would you have sex with someone who was born a man, but changed genders? I wouldn't, even if this person were to be indistinguishable from a woman. But what is the difference between a woman and such a person? The difference is the timing when they got exposed to female hormones - a woman got her hormones in the womb. I say - who cares about the timing of those hormones - there is no difference between the two, and if you wouldn't do one, don't do the other.

I found the series of posts (dated May 2017) that HeavyMantra was referring to:
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...innitus-when-you-are-alone.21585/#post-248003

 

[aot]

Been there, done that.

Evidently you haven't because it seems that you weren't fond of any of these women, nor did you take their pleasure into account. At least that's what I can gleam from your post.

"you will never meet my family, I will never meet any of your family or friends, we will be meeting about once a month, no restaurants, or "going out"."

That's not a relationship, Bill. I think it would even be a stretch to call it Friends With Benefits. That's just two people who fuck on occasion. And anyone with even the smallest ounce of social awareness will tell you that there is a big difference.

If you think sex is nothing more than masturbating with someone else's body, than:

A: You're great at jacking off

B: Piss poor at sex

Or C: Never saw these women as anything more than tools for you to get your rocks off.

I know I made the post about not fighting, and this almost certainly makes me a hypocrite, but Jesus Christ, dude. With how far your head is up your own ass, it's truly amazing that you need earmuffs whenever you leave the house.

 

[Bill Bauer]

I think it made a huge impression on a lot of us because it speaks volumes about how you view interaction and how fundamentally different it is from the center of the bell curve.

That's fine; it would be boring as fuck if we all thought the same way. However, if someone has a history of comments that at least come across as representing some kind of schizoaffective disorder, well, yes, people are going to take note of that.

Ignoring anything about relationships, gender roles, etc -- sexual intercourse is vastly different than masturbation along purely neurochemical lines because of the hormone release that happens from skin-to-skin contact, and other mechanisms. These are clearly evolutionarily rooted and there will be a lot of variance in it, but the experience you describe,

"Sex just feels like masturbating, using someone else's body"

is fundamentally extremely outside the mainstream world of human-to-human interaction. It might feel like that to you, but that says more about you than it does about people who picked up on that comment and thought "lol, wtf, that's kinda fucked up".

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3115160/

He's made it real clear he has no interest in that, has tried it, and sees no value in it.

That's fine, that may be entirely true for him, it just means that his is genetically abnormal, because the drive towards sexual intercourse is one which has to be maintained for the species to survive. Conveniently, he takes himself out of the gene pool with this view, unless he is spending time donating to sperm banks.

I just posted a reply to the above in the thread below:
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/how-can-you-live-with-tinnitus-when-you-are-alone.21585

 

[FGG]

Been there, done that. Every single time most of the relationship is me fighting to reduce the frequency of seeing them. I don't see the point of meeting more often than once a month, but they have a different point of view. Then come the tears and the rest of the nonsense. Each lady seems to follow the same script (and age doesn't matter - they can be in their 30s or 50s, they keep going through the Same set of motions). This, despite me telling them on the first date exactly what I want out of the relationship - "you will never meet my family, I will never meet any of your family or friends, we will be meeting about once a month, no restaurants, or "going out"." The one in her 50s didn't take it well (at all!) when (towards the end of the relationship) I had to spell it out to her that I considered socializing with her as a Cost.

As I pointed out in that old post, just because I like milk doesn't mean that it makes sense for me to have a cow living at my place (or that it would make sense to spend time entertaining the cow).

I found the series of posts (dated May 2017) that HeavyMantra was referring to:
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...innitus-when-you-are-alone.21585/#post-248003

Ok. That's pretty extreme. I don't mean this sarcastically but you might do better with an escort (after COVID-19).

 

[Bill Bauer]

Today I had to visit a grocery store. Ten years ago I bought a set of three N100 masks (99.7%). I wanted to wear glasses to protect my eyes, but I discovered that some air is escaping at the top of the mask (does this mean that this mask doesn't actually have a rating of 99.7%?!) and is making my glasses to fog up. Has anyone discovered a solution to this problem?

The vast majority of people in my area aren't wearing any masks, not even homemade ones...

 

[gorzakus]

I found this post about a guy who had COVID-19 and started getting ringing in his ears.

He didn't have tinnitus before COVID-19. He reported a moderate / severe form of tinnitus from what I've read. I asked him if he still had the ringing now and he said yes but that it was fading in and out and he was anticipating that it would go away.

You can read his story here:

Justin is the first person I know to have covid-19, and I thought it would be helpful to share his story and how we handled it because, sadly, I think this will be relevant to some of you in the coming weeks.

 

[SugarMagnolia]

It also reduces your exposure to viral load, making you less sick if you do get exposed, so it protects you, too.

But yeah you still should social distance, etc.

It ONLY gives you this little bit of protection if you NEVER touch it with unwashed hands. How many people with a bandana on their faces can say they NEVER touch it to pull it up after it slips down?

 

[SugarMagnolia]

I personally don't even know anyone that is infected, neither does anyone that I have asked.

Then you didn't ask me. I know someone who tested positive and has been suffering for three weeks and counting.

 

[PhoenixAcademy]

Here is a genome, do you understand how viruses work? They don't generally have human names

I meant the ones that duplicated the video clips of the Italian hospital and said it was NYC. I honestly don't know anyone that has the virus nor does anyone I know. That is an honest observation. No need to get so angry and sarcastic.

 

[Lane]

I found this post about a guy who had COVID-19 and started getting ringing in his ears.

@gorzakus -- Thanks for posting a link to that story; interesting read. -- Just wanted to make a brief comment on something "Justin" mentioned in his story: "I'm now 3+ weeks in and am still sick, but not to the degree that I was. I still have very low energy and my oxygen levels are not yet where they should be, but I do feel that I've turned a corner, for real this time."

Unfortunately, complete recovery from COVID-19 is not guaranteed. Many people who experience a severe viral infection episode can suffer for varying lengths of time (sometimes years, or indefinitely) with something called, "Post-Viral Syndrome". -- On the extreme end of the scale are those who fall into the category of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis / Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS), indicating a chronic inflammation of the brain and/or spinal cord. -- Also, people with ME/CFS are prone to suffer from "sound sensitivity" and/or tinnitus.

From what I can gather from reading ME/CFS forums for many years, the odds are that about 10% of COVID-19 infections could have that kind of outcome, with an accompanying dysregulated immune system. Just one more reason to be as diligent as we can to not to get this in the first place. Just to mention (on a positive note), ozone therapy is remarkably effective at not only killing viruses of all kinds, but can have a powerful effect on regulating the immune system as well.

For anybody interested in reading a few excerpts on ozone therapy, check out this Amazon link: -- Flood Your Body with Oxygen by Ed McCabe , then do a search on "autohemotherapy". -- They're apparently already having some success with using this in Italy with the coronavirus.

 

[Lane]

This link will take you to an interesting tinnitus success story involving Thiamine (Vit. B1).

Thiamine Pyrophosphate (TPP) Stopped My Tinnitus!

This link will take you to a recent article on Thiamine, which touches on its importance in protection from COVID-19.

Vitamin B1 Is Vital to Protect Against Infectious Disease

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

• Thiamine (vitamin B1) deficiency syndrome (beriberi) has many similarities to sepsis — a primary cause of COVID-19 mortality — and thiamine deficiency is relatively common in critically ill patients in general
• Thiamine deficiency is prevalent in pulmonary tuberculosis, and the more severe the case, the more severe the thiamine deficiency. Thiamine has been shown to limit Mycobacterium tuberculosis by regulating your innate immunity
• Thiamine deficiency is also associated with the development of high fever, and some researchers have suggested that serious infections may in fact be a presenting manifestation of thiamine deficiency
• Clinical case reports have shown thiamine injections reversed a number of acute illnesses in which high fever was a factor, including one case where the patient presented with high fever, headache and asphyxia, and another where the patient had high fever and severe pneumonia
• Thiamine is required for metabolism of some of the metabolites of vitamin C. Vitamin C also works synergistically with corticosteroids, which helps explain why the Marik Sepsis Protocol is so effective. Magnesium may also be important, as it is required for the activation of thiamine

 

[Tybs]

I'm quite interested in the discussion of this thread's subject, but at this point I'm beginning to wonder whether the thread itself should be quarantined for the moment...

 

[hans799]

I'm quite interested in the discussion of this thread's subject, but at this point I'm beginning to wonder whether the thread itself should be quarantined for the moment...

Let's get back on track.

Do you know that feeling when you're tired but in that distinctive "I'm falling ill" kind of way? I've felt like that for 2 days now. I got a sore throat today. The girlfriend has been complaining about the same thing yesterday. A private hospital 10 minutes' walk from my home started offering affordable COVID-19 tests literally this morning, so I've signed up for an appointment. (My girl says she's not taking the test because her result would be the same as mine so why pay double...)

I don't even know what to hope for. People usually wish for negative test results... but the waiting is killing me, too. If I test positive, it'll at least be over, one way or the other.

 

[Lane]

Masks4All -- This website features the following 4-minute video, which describes the Masks4All movement in the Czech Republic. I thought it was a very well done (and optimistic) video.

How to Significantly Slow Coronavirus? (featuring Minister of Health of the Czech Rep.)

 

[Lane]

* excluding parts of Asia that are used to doing this song and dance from SARS/MERS

Speaking of SARS/MERS... -- I watched the entire 17-minute interview Judy Woodruff of PBS had with Anthony Fauci last Friday (link below). What really stopped me in my tracks was when she asked (at the 13:20 mark), when he "first" had the sense that "this was different"... (tip: early January).

My reaction to his reply was sort of an equal measure of "shocking" and "dismaying", and he answers succinctly (with a pretty revealing look on his face) what they knew (in comparison to SARS/MERS), and when they knew it. It boggles the mind to consider what could have all been done at such an early date to greatly mitigate the effects of this pandemic.

Fauci on Facemasks and Staying Home as Virus Spreads

 

[linearb]

I meant the ones that duplicated the video clips of the Italian hospital and said it was NYC. I honestly don't know anyone that has the virus nor does anyone I know. That is an honest observation. No need to get so angry and sarcastic.

Got it; my apologies for the unnecessary vitriol, I did not understand exactly what you were objecting to. Yes, this is being politicized across the board, just like every other major catastrophe of my life.

At present, only .1% of the US population is known to be infected, so, if you don't live in NYC / WA and you also don't know 10,000 people, then it's not hard to not personally know someone who has it. If you're in NYC or any major metro area, you almost certainly know people who have it or have had it -- our testing has been terrible (Ohio is talking about starting grid testing now -- in one state only -- something that could have been done aggressively from day 1). Many people will have it and not know it, or write it off as a cold. To them the risk may be minimal, but they could walk past a nursing home, pass virus on to someone going into it, and inadvertently cause an outbreak and a bunch of deaths.

We also don't really have good data on how dangerous this is to younger people (or older people, frankly), and won't, until months or years after all this is over, because when facilities get overrun, the quality of data you get from them goes to pot.

I believe I was triggered by your post because "well, I don't know anyone with it personally!" seems like a denialist argument. It doesn't matter if you know anyone with it personally, or not, it's killing 1000 people a day right now, and there are good reasons to think that number is underreported (https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-usa-death-toll-nears-10000-experts-say-us-undercounting-2953054)

 

[linearb]

In other "things that don't happen during bad flu years"....

An estimated additional 180 - 195 deaths per day occurring at home in New York City due to COVID-19 are not being counted in the official figures. "Early on in this crisis we were able to swab people who died at home, and thus got a coronavirus reading. But those days are long gone. We simply don't have the testing capacity for the large numbers dying at home. Now only those few who had a test confirmation *before* dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate. This almost certainly means we are undercounting the total number of victims of this pandemic," said Mark Levine, Chair of New York City Council health committee

Mark's twitter feed also has this thread:


His tweets are generally worth reading, but, highlight reel:

 

[Lane]

LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19

I think the article makes a case for zinc supplemention, even if a person is not treated with hydroxychloroquine.

Snippet from article:

Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.

"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."...

He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication.​

 

[Lane]

the most evil people I have ever met were the most sanctimonious people I ever met

@PhoenixAcademy -- You might find this account interesting: -- I once worked with a concrete contractor for a few weeks who told me an interesting tale. He was a "handshake" kind of guy, who made deals without elaborate contracts. I was a bit surprised, but asked him how that worked for him. He said it actually worked quite well. Except...

He only had about a half dozen people that cheated him during the many years of doing business, and interestingly, they all had one thing in common. They came on from the get go about how the work they wanted to have done was "for God", or was for "God's work". He said learned that whenever anybody approached him this kind of song and dance, it was a giant red flag for him to stay away.

 

[Mister Muso]

Having had COVID-19 myself for the past 3 weeks, I'm creating this post because the main COVID-19 thread is getting so long, and I was going to post in the following thread but am unable to do so:

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...sufferer-avoid-if-they-get-coronavirus.40288/

Just to say that many sleeping medications have a side-effect of breathing difficulties e.g. promethazine, amitriptyline. I found this out the hard way, having a particularly bad day following taking promethazine. I'm now relying on valerian to try and keep me sedated enough not to wake up gasping for breath. Steam inhalation helps too. I've had an underlying condition of stress-related breathing difficulties, off and on, over the past few years, made worse by tinnitus, and now the virus.

I've not had to be hospitalised, thankfully, but it's been tough going. I thought I was over it but my breathing has worsened again over the past week. Hopefully on the right road again now.