Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19) and Tinnitus

[another sean]

Could Hydrogen Peroxide Treat Coronavirus?

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

• Nebulized hydrogen peroxide therapy is an inexpensive and simple way to treat most viral respiratory illnesses
• All you need is a nebulizer with a face mask that covers your mouth and nose, and common household 3% hydrogen peroxide, available at most grocery stores and pharmacies for less than $1
• Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) consists of a water molecule (H2O) with an extra oxygen atom. The oxygen inactivates viral pathogens by breaking down the viral structure
• Additionally, your immune cells actually produce hydrogen peroxide. This is in part how your immune system kills infected cells. Hydrogen peroxide therapy aids your immune cells to perform their natural function more effectively
• To prevent an infection from taking hold, begin treatment at first signs of symptoms. Commercially available 3% hydrogen peroxide is fine for this purpose, and can be used without dilution for 10 to 15 minutes, four times a day, until your symptoms are relieved

I can see it already; somebody chimes in with something about "not liking Mercola", or will make some other denigrating remarks. That's fine, nobody has to like him. But before you discount his perspectives out of hand just because "you don't like him", do a little research, and find out for yourself whether or not what he has to say has any credence. Don't reject it just because because you've never heard about it before.

I've previously posted links to books like "-- Flood Your Body with Oxygen by Ed McCabe, which I believe is a good intro. book for anybody who has an interest in delving into oxygen therapies. But there are plenty of good videos on YouTube as well, unless they're all being systematically removed. -- Believe it or not, science backs up a lot of the efficacy of various oxygenation therapies, but it seems nobody wants to take the time to investigate it, even when their own family's, or their own country's health and well being is at risk.

I had watched his video a couple of days ago and was considering even getting a nebulizer but I already knew that Hydrogen Peroxide was toxic at certain concentrations. I googled about it and left and right I kept reading how toxic it was. So I'm a bit confused as to if what he is suggesting is really safe or not at the concentrations he is recommending. Have you found any other sources to back up this therapy? And I'm not one to call Mercola a quack. He helped me reverse my insulin resistance naturally with diet. I've been watching him for almost a decade. But he does take things too far sometimes. So I think viewers need to filter out some of his extreme stances like when it comes to vaccines. It's all about balance and picking the lesser of two evils. Yes vaccines have chemicals and nasty stuff you wouldn't want to drink a gallon of, but things like Polio are even more scarier causing irreversible paralysis in 10's of thousands of kids per year.

 

[PhoenixAcademy]

Never too late to hop back on the bus.

Well, having tinnitus sucked the enjoyment of music from my life for the most part unfortunately.

 

[another sean]

ok ok, these are pretty good.

 

[Harley]

I think Bill Gates is pretty fortright with his plans to implement chips and more or less forced vaccinations? If there is need. One conspiracy is that "they" (whatever that means) are taking advantage of the virus to fundamentally change society in the coming years, and that these chips/5g/vaccinations are a means to that end. Who knows, but I don't know why these people dismiss the notion that he might just want to help eradicate the virus.

Here is the thing:
Bill Gates has not been democratically elected by anyone into any public health or any other position.

Fundamentally speaking, just the fact that he is pushing for certain things (or even wants to force anything) rubs me the wrong way as he has no right to do that, whether it is claimed to be "for your own good" or not.

 

[Ed209]

I'm sorry but, as Bill Bauer just proved with a good source, that technology is on the table and powerful people including Bill Gates are talking about instituting universal vaccines and "proof" of immunity certificates. So what exactly is tin foil hat stuff about that?

Have you actually listened to what some of these influencers are saying? This has nothing to do with any particular technology that is being developed, if anything, these lunatics on social media are piggybacking on these ideas in an attempt to create mass hysteria. Combining fragments of fact with fiction to create a narrative that one pleases is a powerful way to manipulate people into believing something.

I like how some of these groups/people need funding and how they want your personal information as well. They use the "wake up" rhetoric in an attempt to make those who don't think for themselves believe that they are being persecuted in some way. What evidence is there that they are to be trusted? Why do they never understand basic science, and yet talk like they are a professor of physics?

I would rather trust independent experts who work in the field in question. Would you go to an unqualified, non-medical, conspiracy theorist for heart surgery if they said they could do it properly and that the surgeon who is consulting you is lying?

We have experts in various disciplines for a reason.

Why do so many people believe the influencers on social media who are clearly idiots? It's a mystery. It's not like they have compelling evidence or officially leaked documents that can give their campaign some kind of credence. They have nothing. Put them one on one in a debate with an expert and they'd fold like a cheap suit.

 

[PhoenixAcademy]

Have you actually listened to what some of these influencers are saying? This has nothing to do with any particular technology that is being developed, if anything, these lunatics on social media are piggybacking on these ideas in an attempt to create mass hysteria. Combining fragments of fact with fiction to create a narrative that one pleases is a powerful way to manipulate people into believing something.

I like how some of these groups/people need funding and how they want your personal information as well. They use the "wake up" rhetoric in an attempt to make those who don't think for themselves believe that they are being persecuted in some way. What evidence is there that they are to be trusted? Why do they never understand basic science, and yet talk like they are a professor of physics?

I would rather trust independent experts who work in the field in question. Would you go to an unqualified, non-medical, conspiracy theorist for heart surgery if they said they could do it properly and that the surgeon who is consulting you is lying?

We have experts in various disciplines for a reason.

Why do so many people believe the influencers on social media who are clearly idiots? It's a mystery. It's not like they have compelling evidence or officially leaked documents that can give their campaign some kind of credence. They have nothing. Put them one on one in a debate with an expert and they'd fold like a cheap suit.

I get what you are saying, but just don't throw the baby out with the bath water. A basic knowledge about the communistic revolutions that happened in Russia and China is more than enough to have a good healthy skepticism of big government activities and so-called progress. They propped up experts in various areas of academia and gave them fancy titles and soapboxes to stand on in the furtherance of their policies which resulted in mass famines, wars, and political persecution. Sometimes I even wonder if these nutters that promote the earth being flat, 5G crap, alien crap, stuff like David Icke and Alex Jones, are themselves part of a plot to make sensible scrutiny of this or that look crazy like they are.

There are nutters out there suggesting that even our tinnitus is from electronic warfare and I just want to slap the stupid out of them.

 

[SugarMagnolia]

I think Bill Gates is pretty fortright with his plans to implement chips and more or less forced vaccinations? If there is need. One conspiracy is that "they" (whatever that means) are taking advantage of the virus to fundamentally change society in the coming years, and that these chips/5g/vaccinations are a means to that end. Who knows, but I don't know why these people dismiss the notion that he might just want to help eradicate the virus.

There is no "more or less forced." Forced is forced. It means people no longer have bodily autonomy. It means our bodies are the property of the government.

 

[Ed209]

I get what you are saying, but just don't throw the baby out with the bath water. A basic knowledge about the communistic revolutions that happened in Russia and China is more than enough to have a good healthy skepticism of big government activities and so-called progress. They propped up experts in various areas of academia and gave them fancy titles and soapboxes to stand on in the furtherance of their policies which resulted in mass famines, wars, and political persecution. Sometimes I even wonder if these nutters that promote the earth being flat, 5G crap, alien crap, stuff like David Icke and Alex Jones, are themselves part of a plot to make sensible scrutiny of this or that look crazy like they are.

There are nutters out there suggesting that even our tinnitus is from electronic warfare and I just want to slap the stupid out of them.

That's my wife's field of expertise so I've learned a thing or two through her.

David Icke is another example of someone who has created a life for himself by selling his conspiracy theories. He once told the world that he was sent by God and believed that he was the second coming, and who can forget his theory that the royal family and other elites are an alien race descended from lizards! And apparently, the moon is there just so the elites can spy on us. He is also pushing the 5g agenda because it likely helps him sell a few more of his books and tickets to his live shows. The guy is a total loon. His latest videos have been shared by the very same people I've been talking about.

I understand what you are saying, though. There is a lot of corruption out there that we know about and we all know that it will never go away. The world will always have a sinister side to it. However, there is a clear distinction between outright stupidity/absurdity and debating real socio-economic issues.

I don't claim to know everything that's going on in the world, nobody can. But when fantasy-like agendas are being promoted as fact, I like to give my opinion, especially when other people's lives are involved. I mean there are people telling others that humans can't catch viruses for Christ's sake!

 

[HeavyMantra]

There is no "more or less forced." Forced is forced. It means people no longer have bodily autonomy. It means our bodies are the property of the government.

Of course there's levels of force! Will they seek out those who don't want the vaccine and kill them or physically force them to take the vaccine? That's "forced". Or will they make it harder to integrate into society if you don't take the vaccine, saying "the vaccine is optional, but you will not be able to attend schools or have a credit card or use healthcare providers if you don't take it". That's going to effectively force some people to take the vaccine, while others will not feel forced because they don't need those services (a survivalist for instance).

How many people are effectively forced to own a smartphone for work? Many. I'm not, and I've never owned a smartphone by choice. In China people are pretty much forced to own a smartphone to function in society, though I guess they aren't physically forced to own one. It's just that they would not be able to buy food etc without one, I don't remember the details.

If "forced" has a different meaning in english than the Swedish word for the same concept, well, semantics isn't really something I'm super interested in. Things are what they are regardless of what you call them, at least in this case.

 

[PhoenixAcademy]

I mean there are people telling others that humans can't catch viruses for Christ's sake!

There are also people that claim that there is aborted fetus DNA used in vaccines!

Easily debunked:

The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends fifteen different vaccines for children to induce protection against several viral and bacterial infections that are causes of morbidity and mortality (American Academy of Pediatrics 2016). Three of these vaccines, M-M-R-II (Merck 2016a), VARIVAX (Merck 2016b), and HAVRIX (Glaxo Smith Kline 2016) utilize cell lines WI-38 or MRC-5 that were derived from fetal tissues (Wong 2006) harvested from elective abortions in the 1960s to generate the attenuated viruses used in these immunizations for rubella (M-M-R-II), varicella (VARIVAX), or hepatitis A (HAVRIX).

Quotation Source:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6027112/

 

[Lane]

Lane, you're a good guy and I like you a lot, but it seems that you get a lot of your information from either quack Drs or alternative health sites.

Hey @Ed209 -- I couldn't help but chuckle a bit after reading your first sentence. On one hand it seems complimentary, but on the other hand, it seems like you don't think too highly of my sense of discrimination, and/or ability to come to sensible informed decisions. And... I'm also guessing that's a fairly generous appraisal of how you view some of my health care orientations.

Just to mention, I share your disdain for many of the conspiracy theories that are constantly floating around. Unfortunately, I happen to have pretty direct experience with this, as I have a sister who seems to fall in love with just about every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike. And oh, can she speak with conviction and passion about her beliefs! And... she doesn't like it one bit if she gets any kind of inclination I'm not in complete agreement with her. -- BTW, I did watch the first couple minutes of the video you linked to, and I was not the least bit impressed with her!

With that point of agreement, I have to take great exception to your portrayal of Dr. Joseph Mercola, and your references to him being a "quack". One of your references says this about Mercola, "claims that amalgam fillings are toxic...". Well, they are! I speak from extensive personal experience, and how anybody can claim amalgams aren't toxic is truly beyond me. You might want to check out a remarkable short story by a man who had his amalgam filling removed. I'll paste a link below, along with his summation paragraph:

My Mercury Story

"Now, looking back, I realize that I lived most of my life with a number of negative personality traits and emotional ailments that were actually caused by mercury. My bad memory, extreme shyness, very low self esteem, fear of commitments (especially in relationships), history of suicidal thoughts and fear of confrontations is now gone, not to mention horrible depression, and all of these changes have dramatically improved the quality of my life."​

I find it interesting that most of Mercola's critics call him a quack (oh do they love that word), but seem unaware of the fact the first usage of the word "quack" originated in the 1800's as a result of some doctors incorporating the use of extremely toxic mercury (quicksilver) into their medical practice. It was so absurd to some observers, that these practitioners came be be referred to as "quacks". And yet, even to this day, dentists are putting this same extremely toxic material in people's mouths just inches from their brain. So you tell me, who's the quack?

In the Mercola video I posted, he bemoans the fact that (in his mind) probably 90%+ of people dieing from COVID-19 are dieing needlessly, because they're not able to take advantage of the best therapy(s) available. I have to say that from all my reading and research over many years, he's almost assuredly correct with his observations. Can anybody (you?) say that he is unequivocally wrong? He makes this statement in relation to the tragic underutilization of ozone therapy for many medical conditions. -- In that regard, here's my best recollection of an ozone story I heard many years ago:

A man had gotten bitten by a poisonous spider, and after a few hours, his hand started swelling up to twice its normal size, and turning all kinds of shades of bluish/purple. He finally went to the ER, and was met with great alarm by the attending physicians who quickly deduced this situation was so critical, they needed to immediately amputate his hand. Not too thrilled with that prospect, he thought of his "eccentric" friend who seemed to have some kind of obsession with ozone therapy. Never giving it much credence, he thought this situation might be an ideal time to reconsider.

So he called his friend, told him what was going on, and asked whether he thought his crazy ozone might help. His friend told him to come over immediately, and he started infusing ozone into water, into which he had his friend submerse his hand. Lo and behold, it not only stopped getting worse, but his hand returned to normal in about 6 hours. So is that quack Mercola really so off the mark when he suggests ozone would likely dramatically reduce coronavirus related deaths? I don't think so, because it is well documented for its many known therapeutic effects, including potent antiviral properties. If anybody takes the time, they can find innumerable somewhat similar stories to this online.

Finally, if I may push back just a bit on your thinking I get most of my information from quack doctors and alternative healthsites. I look everywhere for the best information I can find on any given topic. I generally don't discriminate between what's widely considered to be "conventional" or "alternative". I'm interested in what works and what doesn't. And I take note of what's unduly profit oriented, and what isn't. And what seems safe, and what doesn't. And what's sensible, and what isn't. And what the track record says for each modality I may be considering. And so much more. No matter what my initial impressions of any particular approach may be, I endeavor to (as @PhoenixAcademy mentioned) never throw out the baby with the bath water.

When I apply those same criteria when looking at the current coronavirus situation, I can only conclude the response by the "non-quack" medical establishment has for the most part been a collosal failure. If more people were to seriously delve into the therapeutic value of so called "quack" remedies like Vit. C, ozone, hydrogen peroxide, and more, there's little doubt in my mind they would come to the same conclusion I've come to; that coronavirus-related deaths could almost assuredly be dramatically reduced. And the current world situation would be dramatically different.

 

[Lane]

Note: This article is over a month old (3-3-20)

Dr. Gifford-Jones: More research is killing COVID-19 victims -- (March 3, 2020)

Snippets:

Aristotle, the Greek philosopher, wrote "There is a stupid corner in the brain of every wise man." The best current example is the appalling lack of action by the Chinese government to fight COVID-19 with high doses of vitamin c — both as a clinical treatment for those who are infected and as a preventative measure to help halt the virus.

I applaud the doctor in a Wuhan hospital who announced the start of a randomized, triple-blind clinical trial to assess the effectiveness of 12-24 grams/day of intravenous vitamin C (IVC). But the results won't be known for months. Meantime, people die needlessly.

Why do Chinese health authorities not know that we've already got enough research? Why does the World Health Organization (WHO), with its vast resources and expertise, dither on this issue? Vitamin C is cheap, harmless, and widely available — any pharmacy can make an IVC solution. IVC has been proven effective in reducing mortality from viral infections. Not to provide it to COVID-19 patients is akin to medical murder...

Proof is well documented by the late Dr. Lendon H. Smith in the Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C, which outlines the research of Dr. Frederick R. Klenner. This pioneer painstakingly recorded his experience with vitamin C while successfully treating a variety of viral and bacterial diseases with IVC.

In addition to outlining the doses required to cure diseases, the Guide notes, "The patient should get a large dose of vitamin C in all pathological conditions while the doctor ponders the diagnosis." And: "Unless our white blood cells, that fight infections, are saturated with vitamin C, they are like soldiers without bullets."...

The Chinese study is using the best methodologies. This will ensure irrefutable credibility among skeptics and critics. But I have no doubt about the outcome. It will show IVC is effective — like all the past studies of high dose vitamin C in fighting viral infections.

Dr. Frederick Klenner was not a charlatan. Nor were other professors who studied vitamin C. There is no financial reward for promoting false information about a remedy that is virtually free to manufacture and supply. The same cannot be said for many other "cures." ... Waiting for the results of this study before treating patients with IVC is contributing to needless deaths...

 

[Ed209]

Hey @Ed209 -- I couldn't help but chuckle a bit after reading your first sentence. On one hand it seems complimentary, but on the other hand, it seems like you don't think too highly of my sense of discrimination, and/or ability to come to sensible informed decisions. And... I'm also guessing that's a fairly generous appraisal of how you view some of my health care orientations.

Just to mention, I share your disdain for many of the conspiracy theories that are constantly floating around. Unfortunately, I happen to have pretty direct experience with this, as I have a sister who seems to fall in love with just about every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike. And oh, can she speak with conviction and passion about her beliefs! And... she doesn't like it one bit if she gets any kind of inclination I'm not in complete agreement with her. -- BTW, I did watch the first couple minutes of the video you linked to, and I was not the least bit impressed with her!

With that point of agreement, I have to take great exception to your portrayal of Dr. Joseph Mercola, and your references to him being a "quack". One of your references says this about Mercola, "claims that amalgam fillings are toxic...". Well, they are! I speak from extensive personal experience, and how anybody can claim amalgams aren't toxic is truly beyond me. You might want to check out a remarkable short story by a man who had his amalgam filling removed. I'll paste a link below, along with his summation paragraph:

My Mercury Story

"Now, looking back, I realize that I lived most of my life with a number of negative personality traits and emotional ailments that were actually caused by mercury. My bad memory, extreme shyness, very low self esteem, fear of commitments (especially in relationships), history of suicidal thoughts and fear of confrontations is now gone, not to mention horrible depression, and all of these changes have dramatically improved the quality of my life."​

I find it interesting that most of Mercola's critics call him a quack (oh do they love that word), but seem unaware of the fact the first usage of the word "quack" originated in the 1800's as a result of some doctors incorporating the use of extremely toxic mercury (quicksilver) into their medical practice. It was so absurd to some observers, that these practitioners came be be referred to as "quacks". And yet, even to this day, dentists are putting this same extremely toxic material in people's mouths just inches from their brain. So you tell me, who's the quack?

In the Mercola video I posted, he bemoans the fact that (in his mind) probably 90%+ of people dieing from COVID-19 are dieing needlessly, because they're not able to take advantage of the best therapy(s) available. I have to say that from all my reading and research over many years, he's almost assuredly correct with his observations. Can anybody (you?) say that he is unequivocally wrong? He makes this statement in relation to the tragic underutilization of ozone therapy for many medical conditions. -- In that regard, here's my best recollection of an ozone story I heard many years ago:

A man had gotten bitten by a poisonous spider, and after a few hours, his hand started swelling up to twice its normal size, and turning all kinds of shades of bluish/purple. He finally went to the ER, and was met with great alarm by the attending physicians who quickly deduced this situation was so critical, they needed to immediately amputate his hand. Not too thrilled with that prospect, he thought of his "eccentric" friend who seemed to have some kind of obsession with ozone therapy. Never giving it much credence, he thought this situation might be an ideal time to reconsider.

So he called his friend, told him what was going on, and asked whether he thought his crazy ozone might help. His friend told him to come over immediately, and he started infusing ozone into water, into which he had his friend submerse his hand. Lo and behold, it not only stopped getting worse, but his hand returned to normal in about 6 hours. So is that quack Mercola really so off the mark when he suggests ozone would likely dramatically reduce coronavirus related deaths? I don't think so, because it is well documented for its many known therapeutic effects, including potent antiviral properties. If anybody takes the time, they can find innumerable somewhat similar stories to this online.

Finally, if I may push back just a bit on your thinking I get most of my information from quack doctors and alternative healthsites. I look everywhere for the best information I can find on any given topic. I generally don't discriminate between what's widely considered to be "conventional" or "alternative". I'm interested in what works and what doesn't. And I take note of what's unduly profit oriented, and what isn't. And what seems safe, and what doesn't. And what's sensible, and what isn't. And what the track record says for each modality I may be considering. And so much more. No matter what my initial impressions of any particular approach may be, I endeavor to (as @PhoenixAcademy mentioned) never throw out the baby with the bath water.

When I apply those same criteria when looking at the current coronavirus situation, I can only conclude the response by the "non-quack" medical establishment has for the most part been a collosal failure. If more people were to seriously delve into the therapeutic value of so called "quack" remedies like Vit. C, ozone, hydrogen peroxide, and more, there's little doubt in my mind they would come to the same conclusion I've come to; that coronavirus-related deaths could almost assuredly be dramatically reduced. And the current world situation would be dramatically different.

To be honest, Lane, my problem mainly lies with the idiots on Facebook and YouTube that are serving up disinformation at every turn.

Like I said, I'm on the fence about IV vitamin c infusion but I'm not exactly qualified to argue about this with any kind of authority. I have seen experts debate this from all angles and from what I can gather, there is no conclusive evidence to say it will work as a cure. As for ozone, you make some very good points, as the healing properties of trioxygen are well documented but there is nothing to suggest that it will work as a cure on severely affected patients - who are the primary concern (although it reportedly worked on SARS). Those who are hospitalised often deteriorate quickly. There are many questions that need to be answered first, but it certainly seems like something that should be trialed so that more data can be collected. It seems it cannot be inhaled as it can damage the lungs, and it can also weaken the immune system, so if the virus is causing hypoxia and is multiplying deep within the lungs, then it may be difficult to reach. From what I've read, it appears that the intravenous approach is the way to go, but would this help those who are already suffering severe lung complications? I believe this is what frontline Drs need; something that can turn the tide when a patients case takes a turn for the worse and they can no longer breathe on their own. In Italy, and many other countries, those who are in this situation have approximately a 50/50 chance of survival. Maybe one of the treatment modalities you have mentioned would help clinically change those odds for the better. I don't know and I won't pretend to.

When you mentioned Mercola, I have to admit that my eyes rolled as I am aware of some of the crazier things he has said and done over the years. Such as how homeopathy cured a boys autism, and how he sold sunbeds as health tools to people before he was made to stop, etc. There's a lot of really bizarre stuff he has done over the years and it seems his motivation is money, like most people. He rakes in millions every year and some of the stuff he has sold has been highly questionable. That is why he has a bad reputation within the medical community. I'll quote something from an article: Steven Salzberg, a prominent biologist, professor, and researcher at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, calls Mercola "the 21st-century equivalent of a snake-oil salesman."

Clearly not everything he's going to say will be wrong or in bad taste. But it's hard to shake a questionable reputation.

I meant what I said about you, however. You hold yourself with class and debate stuff fairly. It's a pleasure to talk to you.

 

[Lane]

When you add these uncounted deaths, to those of people dying in record numbers at home (in NYC), it really starts to look like a significant undercount of total deaths. By my estimation, by as much as 25-50%. Percentage could be lower, but it could be higher as well.

More than 2,200 coronavirus deaths in nursing homes, but federal government isn't tracking them
The numbers are likely a significant undercount, given the limited access to testing and other constraints, state officials and public health experts say.

Snippet:

"NBC News tallied 2,246 deaths associated with long-term care facilities, based on responses from 24 states. This, too, is an undercount; about half of all states said they could not provide data on nursing home deaths, or declined to do so. Some states said they do not track these deaths at all.

Nursing home residents are among those most likely to die from the coronavirus, given their advanced age and the prevalence of other health conditions. But the federal government does not keep a formal tally of the number of coronavirus deaths in nursing homes or the number of facilities with infections, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said."

 

[SugarMagnolia]

Of course there's levels of force! Will they seek out those who don't want the vaccine and kill them or physically force them to take the vaccine? That's "forced". Or will they make it harder to integrate into society if you don't take the vaccine, saying "the vaccine is optional, but you will not be able to attend schools or have a credit card or use healthcare providers if you don't take it". That's going to effectively force some people to take the vaccine, while others will not feel forced because they don't need those services (a survivalist for instance).

How many people are effectively forced to own a smartphone for work? Many. I'm not, and I've never owned a smartphone by choice. In China people are pretty much forced to own a smartphone to function in society, though I guess they aren't physically forced to own one. It's just that they would not be able to buy food etc without one, I don't remember the details.

If "forced" has a different meaning in english than the Swedish word for the same concept, well, semantics isn't really something I'm super interested in. Things are what they are regardless of what you call them, at least in this case.

That's like saying there's different levels of rape simply because some rapists use their hands to force the victim down while other rapists point and gun and give you the "option" of being shot instead.

 

[Lane]

Licorice Inhibits Replication of Coronavirus (Mercola article)

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

• Glycyrrhizin, the major ingredient in licorice root, has shown effectiveness against SARS virus in scientific studies
• It has been effective in treating viruses such as herpes, HIV, hepatitis, influenza, encephalitis and pneumonia
• Glycyrrhizin outperformed conventional antiviral medications against SARS in research published in the journal The Lancet
• The substance seems to work earlier in the virus replication cycle, compared to other medications, inhibiting absorption and penetration of the virus

 

[PhoenixAcademy]

That's like saying there's different levels of rape simply because some rapists use their hands to force the victim down while other rapists point and gun and give you the "option" of being shot instead.

There is a common ground between your arguments. Please look and see.

 

[Lane]

It was nice to see this confirmation of reports I'd heard about ozone beginning to be used in Italy...

Friuli Venezia Giulia gives its contribution: Ozone therapy and rapid Covid-19 tests

The team has in fact developed a protocol that could now change the approach to the treatment in patients, especially for the most severe ones, who are at risk of hospitalization in intensive care. This ozone therapy – already practiced in the hospitals of Udine and Tolmezzo – coupled with antiviral drugs which, are currently tested on some patients with pneumonia and breathing difficulties, has shown to cause a slowdown in inflammation and a reduction in lung damage".

The procedure, illustrated by Dr. De Monte in "La Repubblica", was used "at an early stage, on patients who risked being intubated, because of compromised breathing and who were already ventilated with a helmet or CPAP". Specifically, 200 milliliters of blood are taken from the patient, which then are left to interact with the ozone for about ten minutes and then reinjected; thus, for three or four times at most. The infusion of ozone helps to strengthen the body's response to the effects of the infection.

De Monte then explains how after only three sessions it was possible to see "sensational improvements, with a decisive reduction in the need for oxygen support". With regard to the therapy, on the basis of the positive results obtained so far, the request for authorization was sent to the Italian Medicines Agency AIFA, and to the Ethics Committee of the Spallanzani Institute in Rome, to proceed with a study of 200 patients. A process that aims at a recognition both from the methodological point of view and by the international scientific community.

"The hope is to get an answer as soon as possible" adds De Monte "because the faster we can use it, the more people we will be able to help". -- Author: Nicole Petrucci

 

[HeavyMantra]

That's like saying there's different levels of rape simply because some rapists use their hands to force the victim down while other rapists point and gun and give you the "option" of being shot instead.

Yes. Yes it is...

 

[Ed209]

On a lighter note...

And good news! My mom is being released back into the wild. She's coming home! After almost 3 weeks in hospital she has survived the coronavirus with mild heart failure and a chronic lung condition. The Drs are really happy with how she has fought it.

 

[Kriszti]

On a lighter note...

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And good news! My mom is being released back into the wild. She's coming home! After almost 3 weeks in hospital she has survived the coronavirus with mild heart failure and a chronic lung condition. The Drs are really happy with how she has fought it.

I'm so glad that your mom has made it, very good news

 

[dan]

People on YouTube filming almost empty hospitals and deserted testing centres.
YouTube, Facebook and Google are censoring all such materials, deleting it.
Why?

 

[Ed209]

People on YouTube filming almost empty hospitals and deserted testing centres.
YouTube, Facebook and Google are censoring all such materials, deleting it.
Why?

I'm not aware of this happening but I can think of a few reasons:

• What is the motivation as it could play down the gravity of the situation by insinuating that self-isolation is a waste of time in areas that are on lockdown. If the hospitals are empty and the videos are genuine then all it proves is that the footage was taken in an area that is mainly unaffected. If that is the case, then why post it? It could potentially encourage people to spread the virus around.

• The footage was fake or unverified. It wasn't date stamped or maybe someone added commentary to old stock footage.

• The test centres could have been for something else, and again, what would the motivation be for showing unused test centres if genuine? Also, footage can easily be framed or edited to appear a certain way

• Lots of people could have complained.

I'd have to question the benefit of posting such material. How does it help the current global situation? All I can say is that cities that are badly affected by the coronavirus are completely overwhelmed. Our hospital has had to be extended to add extra wards which is an unprecedented measure. This is happening right now. My cousin was offered the contract but refused to do it. The extra wards won't be enough so they are using portacabins as well. On top of this, the NEC - which is a huge exhibition centre - and another building near our local airport have been converted into hospitals and so has a sports hall near us.



In London they have also turned the Excel Arena into a makeshift hospital; this has been happening all across the country. Here is footage that was shot by one of the workers:

 

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My mom is badly shaken by what she witnessed whilst in hospital. She said the things she saw will haunt her forever.

The moral of the story is that people need to take this outbreak seriously. Tin hats need to be removed and the guidelines need to be followed.

 

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[Bill Bauer]

What is the motivation as it could play down the gravity of the situation by insinuating that self-isolation is a waste of time in areas that are on lockdown.

The motivation is to ensure that the people know the truth, and not have someone decide what is ok and what isn't for them to know.

The footage was fake or unverified.

The problem is that it isn't. It is my understanding that in the US, outside of the area around New York, and a handful of other hot spots, empty hospitals and nurses being laid off is the rule.

By the way the same argument is true of the footage of overwhelmed hospitals. Why not censor that footage? Which US channel got caught multiple times showing footage from Bergamo and claiming that it was in the US?

I am sure that people Are dying - that's what you would expect to happen when people can't get surgeries (most are elective) or be seen by a doctor as their condition isn't an emergency. One surgeon tweeted that all of the cases he is seeing have gangrene.

 

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The motivation is to ensure that the people know the truth, and not have someone decide what is ok and what isn't for them to know.

The problem is that it isn't. It is my understanding that in the US, outside of the area around New York, and a handful of other hot spots, empty hospitals and nurses being laid off is the rule.

By the way the same argument is true of the footage of overwhelmed hospitals. Why not censor that footage? Which US channel got caught multiple times showing footage from Bergamo and claiming that it was in the US?

I am sure that people Are dying - that's what you would expect to happen when people can't get surgeries (most are elective) or be seen by a doctor as their condition isn't an emergency. One surgeon tweeted that all of the cases he is seeing have gangrene.

My advice to anyone who wants the truth is not to watch the mainstream media in the first place. I very rarely watch the news. Dan asked for reasons why certain things may be taken down, so I gave a few off the top of my head. Videos posted on social media are no more the truth than what you might see on the news; it's always down to the diligence of people to extrapolate their own meaning from what they observe happening in the world.

I'm not sure what your current position is on this, Bill, but you seem to flip flop just for the sake of arguing at times. Do you still believe that the coronavirus needs to be controlled in the best way possible? In your earlier posts, when I suggested that the media were creating too much hysteria (which was leading to shops being emptied, etc, thus making the situation worse), you said that it was a good thing. You said people needed to panic and that panicking was good.

All I can say is that my information is coming from real life right now and not a TV screen. If people want some sort of truth that is not distorted by a lens of some kind, then I suggest one looks for it by doing their own research.

 

[Bill Bauer]

I'm not sure what your current position is on this, Bill, but you seem to flip flop just for the sake of arguing at times.

Initially I had been strongly in favour of forcing everyone who might have been exposed to the virus to be quarantined and for isolating at-risk people. It had never occurred to me that locking down Earth is a possibility. Now I have no idea what to think. The economic cost is shaping up to be enourmous. These lock downs got implemented without finding out exactly what fraction of the population has already had it. If a large fraction already has immunity to it, it means that the death rate might actually be low.

I am also not sure what to make of all of the "number of infected" and "number of dead" data. We can't really trust this data as it depends on the number of tests that got performed and when something is counted as a death from the virus. The number of newly infected and the number of deaths is slowing down. The slowdown seems to not correspond to the time each country has implemented a lock down. Specifically in many cases the people who were dying at those decreasing rates got infected Before the lock down got implemented. Could it be that the slowdown is due to herd immunity (or the weather warming up), and not due to the implementation of a lock down?

Sweden continues to do well, despite not implementing a lock down. It will be interesting to see what happens there this month.

They keep telling us to keep 2 meters apart, but I've seen studies that recorded this virus infecting people who were over 4 meters away. This combined with the mask fiasco really makes me think that we should be careful about who we trust.

Since the virus isn't suspended in the air, and can just reach us in droplets generated when people speak or sneeze, I am not sure why transparent plastic face shields wouldn't be as effective as N95 masks. Unlike the masks, those shields could surely be manufactured quickly. I question whether it is wise to do what we have been doing, as opposed to providing everyone with those face shields and gloves, and isolating just the people who are at risk (and delivering food to them, instead of forcing them to get food at the store). The cost of all of those people losing their jobs has got to be orders of magnitude higher than the cost of making protective equipment available to everyone.

In any case, hopefully a month from now it will become a little more clear whether this global lock down was worth it.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Do you still believe that the coronavirus needs to be controlled in the best way possible?

If it Is deadly enough, the current policies are justified. But we need to keep in mind that we can save millions of lives by banning cars, and yet we choose not to do it.

You said people needed to panic and that panicking was good.

Back then they were projecting 2 million dead in the US, and they made it sound like they were sure in these numbers.

All I can say is that my information is coming from real life right now and not a TV screen. If people want some sort of truth that is not distorted by a lens of some kind, then I suggest one looks for it by doing their own research.

I agree that in the absence of actual scientific studies this is the best kind of data. I am grateful to you for sharing your experiences - I learned a lot by reading those posts.

I couldn't help but realize that back during our debates about the danger of noise exposure, I had been quoting people's experiencing and you argued that anecdotal evidence is useless. I even entertained the idea of using your quotes from this thread to reply to your quotes from the other threads, but I got worried that you would feel like I am attacking you, which isn't something I want to do knowing that you are in so much distress. I was always going to do it in good fun, but I guess it isn't a good idea to do it.

 

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This combined with the mask fiasco really makes me think that we should be careful about who we trust.

Since the virus isn't suspended in the air, and can just reach us in droplets generated when people speak or sneeze, I am not sure why transparent plastic face shields wouldn't be as effective as N95 masks. Unlike the masks, those shields could surely be manufactured quickly.

D'addario, the music company, has recently started ramping up development of face masks by using Evans G2 drumheads.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-g2-drumheads-to-protect-against-corona-virus

The data is wrong. I've been saying this for ages since we caught it (when I believe there was apparently only 200 people in the country with it). The problem has been the lack of testing. Nobody was being tested at all. None of the staff from the school, who all clearly had it, were tested either. I've also been told by good sources that the death toll data is also skewed. Some people are dying from the virus, such as in care homes or at home, who are not being tested for it. The current data we have for the UK is in very broad strokes.

Out of curiosity, I went on google to see if this had been reported by the mainstream media and found this:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....k-care-home-deaths-not-added-to-official-toll

I was told this by a good source weeks ago, so I guess some of the facts are being reported.

In the UK, vulnerable people receive a letter from the NHS which allows them to be prioritised for home deliveries. It states that they should not leave the house, not even to put the bins out.

Back then they were projecting 2 million dead in the US, and they made it sound like they were sure in these numbers.

These numbers will inevitably change as people are put into lockdown. If we were all still roaming around, en mass, then the numbers would be way higher. There is also the two week incubation period to take into consideration.

I couldn't help but realize that back during our debates about the danger of noise exposure, I had been quoting people's experiencing and you argued that anecdotal evidence is useless.

Anecdotal evidence is useless, scientifically speaking. I'm not sure what you are getting at? Well, I am, but a lot of the stuff I've reported is a fact with links to support what I've said. The other stuff I've talked about is at the discretion of the viewer to discern if any of it is worth believing. Was my mother really a confirmed case, for example? I know she was, but I'm just a random guy on the internet. What I say or believe on a forum doesn't make much of a scientific difference to the reality on the ground. I'm just sharing my experiences and giving an opinion.