Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19) and Tinnitus

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I went grocery shopping tonight, for the first time since early to mid-march sometime (5 weeks, I think?)

There were not many people about; perhaps 1/2 the usual amount you'd have at the time I chose on a weekend (which means that there were a half dozen to a dozen other people in there with me, distributed through 8 aisles or so). There were two checkouts running, with new plastic shields for the checkout clerks. People were respectful and kept their distance; people who cut it "closer than I was comfortable with" did so hurriedly, like they knew they were testing some strange new social norm.

The checkout clerks were chattier than usual; I mostly bagged my own stuff.

I stopped at the beverage store next door, which likewise only had 1-2 other patrons in it, when you might expect it to have 5-15 on a Saturday evening. (I'd expect the grocery store to be not super busy at that time, but the beverage store to be picking up).

I wore an n95 mask. Everyone working at all these places wore masks, though some were touching them and taking them on and off which made me think they lacked a 10th grade understanding of PPE. About 1/2 the people I saw inside spaces wore masks of one kind or another.

When I got home I wiped down the refridgerated stuff with 200proof, put the rest in a basement corner to hang out for a couple days, wiped down my hands and arms thoroughly, then washed my face, and then took a shower that I was overdue for.

It seems to me that some basic things like flour, frozen broccoli, and other frozen vegetables have simply never been restocked; I have been using a website to keep an eye on local supplies. This makes me wonder if we're beginning to get supply chain shortages of one kind or another.

I guess this is what grocery shopping is like now? I just spent a considerable amount, and I'm looking forward to not doing that again any time soon. I think we have 30 cubic feet of food in our 27 cubic feet of fridge/freezer space :-P

@Bill Bauer your references to Soviet Russia and the NHS clapping didn't quite line up for me -- however, they got me thinking, and there's something decidedly Soviet about food shortages, lines for food relief, lack of brand selection, etc!!

 

[Bill Bauer]

@Bill Bauer your references to Soviet Russia and the NHS clapping didn't quite line up for me

In the movie "Wag the Dog" the authorities are attempting to take the public's attention away from a scandal. To that end they create that campaign of tossing old shoes on top of power lines, which the gullible public had embraced. The same sort of thing went on in USSR all of the time, and this is what I think is going on here.

something decidedly Soviet about food shortages, lines for food relief, lack of brand selection, etc!!

Sad.

The local Walmart has a feel of a government distribution center. Of course thus far the brand selection couldn't be compared to that in the USSR. If what I anticipate happening will in fact end up happening, as civilization is gradually and systematically subverted and dismantled, this (Walmart having an amazing, by Soviet standards, brand selection) will likely change.

It seems to me that some basic things like flour, frozen broccoli, and other frozen vegetables have simply never been restocked

Are you saying that most of the frozen vegetables were out of stock at your store? The same was the case at my store...

 

[Bill Bauer]

@Bill Bauer your references to Soviet Russia and the NHS clapping didn't quite line up for me

Do the two of us at least agree that there's a "trained seals" feel to it?

 

[all to gain]

This is what people do when they are bored out of their mind, right?
In any case, they are heroes:

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Imagine a loved one being taken away to a local hospital, getting a call that they died, and then seeing a video of the doctors there doing a funky dance:

My first thought on seeing this photo was how it reminds me of those photos from Iraq in which there were bodies piled up and a soldier posing with them.

I hadn't realized it, but the daily 8 pm clapping ritual in the UK has been going on strong all of this time. The British would have loved living in the Soviet Union.

According to his wife, Kim Philby (well known traitor and communist sympathiser) died completely disillusioned with communism after living in the Soviet Union for 25 years. So, no, I doubt the average British person would have loved living in the Soviet Union. But I know you like to stir up debate about these things

That said, I agree with you that this weekly clapping ritual is doing much of nothing and is akin to saying, "Well done to the captain" as the Titanic is sinking. Doing it once was fine, as a show of support, but making it a weekly thing that takes place on the same day and at the same time I just find a bit grating. My parents, who live in the middle of nowhere and are very elderly, will stand up and go to the window to take part in this clapathon, but no one will see them, and maybe one will keel over.

I wouldn't have called it vile though, as I know the reaction that would cause, but it does show how easily people are socialised to the norm.

Do the two of us at least agree that there's a "trained seals" feel to it?

Yes, I agree.

Of course, anybody who says this will be vilified by the majority.

We have all been trained to differing degrees to fit into our societies, and whether we like it or not, we are influenced by everything we come into contact with. There is no escaping it... from believing that doctors have our best interests and health at heart to believing that the history we are taught in school is a true reflection of events past. Some of us rebel and question prevalent beliefs, but some learn too late and others get lost in conspiracy theories and yet others get simply worn down by the majority.

 

[Bill Bauer]

So, no, I doubt the average British person would have loved living in the Soviet Union

I should not have used the word "loved". I should have said "it would appear that Britons would feel right at home if they were to find themselves living in the Soviet Union". The problem with life in the Soviet Union were all of the virtue-signaling rituals, and the poverty that is caused by those rituals. They would not enjoy the poverty, but at least they wouldn't have any problem with the rituals.

We have all been trained to differing degrees to fit into our societies, and whether we like it or not, we are influenced by everything we come into contact with

Some of the things we've been trained to do make sense as they are likely to result in prosperity...

 

[Ed209]

As I said earlier, I still don't believe there is an easy answer to this crisis and the early hysteria didn't help matters, imo. People lost their minds and starting stockpiling significant quantities of food and supplies to the tune of billions (in the UK). This not only helped spread the virus around, but it left vulnerable people without food and essentials. So much of this food was also wasted as refuse collectors shared pictures on social media of bins full of fresh food.

The lockdown is affecting me financially to a pretty significant extent, but I understood why such measures were introduced (when I saw the anarchy on the streets first-hand). We are our own worst enemy at times and the selfishness of others tends to shine through in these moments of chaos. A few weeks prior to the outbreak we saw everyone talking about the need to "be kind" after the death of Caroline Flack. Well, that didn't last long.

I live on a cul de sac, and last week a man died from coronavirus. We saw a horse-drawn carriage go past our house with military regalia draped over his coffin. It was very tragic that nobody was following him; he went down the street, alone. This is the reality of the situation. Many of my friends work on the frontline and the stories I hear are harrowing, and my mom's experience just further corroborates what they are saying to me.

The PPE has all but dried up in this country so we are now at a stage where frontline medics are having to risk their lives, and the lives of their families, just to go into work.

Nobody knows what will and won't work as this is a novel virus. There is no preexisting data upon which countries around the world can base their decisions and so they are essentially "winging it" by looking at the current data (which can change by the hour).

Those who are still comparing it to the flu forget that the flu has a predictable history. The flu season also lasts for around 7 months, and the data for the novel coronavirus is currently measured in weeks and is ongoing. One of the worst flu seasons on record caused 60,000 deaths in the US which is a number the coronavirus has nearly reached in a matter of weeks, and it has to be mentioned that this comes with unprecedented lockdown measures. I don't understand why people are still comparing the two. Most experts agree that COVID-19 is at least 10 times worse based on what is currently known.

How we move forward is the million-dollar question. Do we just lift the lockdown and go back to work and see what happens? Or do we wait a little longer, flatten the curve a little more, and then go back to work in the hope that the second wave isn't as bad?

It's easy to discuss these issues on a forum, but it's a whole different ballgame when you have the power (or influence) to implement decisions that will affect the lives of millions. If there was a clear and obvious solution to this that had minimal impact on the economy, I'm sure we would have seen it already, imo.

 

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In the movie "Wag the Dog" the authorities are attempting to take the public's attention away from a scandal. To that end they create that campaign of tossing old shoes on top of power lines, which the gullible public had embraced. The same sort of thing went on in USSR all of the time, and this is what I think is going on here.

I do not disagree with this assessment of much of what's happening. This whole thing has been mismanaged at every level by most of the world's most powerful countries, and everyone is desperate to finger point away from the pile of burning bodies in their own back yard. No, no, go look in that other yard, the piles are higher...

Do the two of us at least agree that there's a "trained seals" feel to it?

Yes, absolutely. I think it's being to some extent exploited by those in power for social control and as a way to give people something to focus on, and keep them calm; I just don't necessarily disagree that's a reasonable thing to be doing right now. My small town feels oddly tense, I can't even imagine what the big cities are like, especially in parts of the US where everyone is armed to the teeth.

Are you saying that most of the frozen vegetables were out of stock at your store? The same was the case at my store...

Yes. Vox has an article yesterday: https://www.vox.com/2020/4/18/21222028/america-food-meat-supply-chain-coronavirus

But experts say that the US food supply remains robust despite disruptions caused by coronavirus.

That doesn't mean that a shopper will be able to walk into any supermarket at any time of day and find the items they're looking for. Grocery stores have been facing spot shortages between restocking, which occurs overnight, so people might have better luck in finding what they need if they shop in the morning.
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The meat aisle in the grocery store might have some bare spots.
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Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie has warned that these losses may force farmers to resort to extreme measures to deal with the surplus.

"I'm afraid you're going to see … cattle and hogs being euthanized or incinerated and buried while we have shortages at the supermarket," he said.
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The supply chain is already adapting
One of the biggest disruptions to the food supply chain stemming from coronavirus is the rapid shift from consumers eating outside their homes — in restaurants or school cafeterias — to almost entirely at home. The food they eat, no matter where they consume it, may have the same origins in terms of where it was processed or farmed, but the supply chains are totally different.

It seems like it's going to get or remain hard to get specific things, on and off, for some period of time. It doesn't seem like we're going to be living off of rice and beans* or dying from malnutrition.


* I often live off rice and beans, it's fine

 

[Ed209]

Do the two of us at least agree that there's a "trained seals" feel to it?

We are social creatures. Social conditioning is hardwired into us.

 

[Bill Bauer]

We are social creatures. Social conditioning is hardwired into us.

I had had multiple experiences where I felt like the person in this experiment. Unless I got a reward for going along (e.g., not losing my job), I would always feel wonderful about refusing to go along. This is the reason why my parents and I haven't had a good time in USSR (and I am not talking about material well being right now).

Parents and teachers ought to do a better job of getting the children to think for themselves.

 

[Bill Bauer]

 

[GregCA]

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Very interesting. Where did you find that graph?

 

[Halsy]

@Halsy -- I'm not sure exactly where you're coming from. Although you seem more than a bit exercised, I can't discern whether that's directed at me or not (you did quote my post). When you say, "stupid enough to believe it...", what exactly is "it"? If you're referring to people who don't believe there's a virus causing sickness across the globe, well, that's certainly not me. Never said it, never implied it.

Regarding your reference to 5g not causing tinnitus, you seem to have a 100% certainty about that. I don't. I've seen posts on this forum where members were able to pinpoint their tinnitus coming from smart meters, and in one case, from a new truck loaded with all the latest wifi gear. You seem to be saying people making these claims are stupid beyond belief, and you're correct in saying there's no possible way that's the case. If that's your position, I wouldn't necessarily call it stupid, but it does strike me as being pretty presumptuous.

You know tinnitus has been around forever, right? It's not something new that popped up in the electronic age, or even the industrial age. Martin Luther, of the Protestant Reformation, suffered terribly from tinnitus for ages before it resolved - though he blamed it on demons tormenting him, as I'm certain most people who suffered it in the past probably did.

Thing is, we know what tinnitus is and why it exists - thanks to SCIENCE, yay! It's yet another evolutionary holdover that didn't work out quite the way it should. Ringing in your ears is another alarm system designed by the body to tell you stop doing stuff that's bad for you. Unfortunately for us it doesn't work as intended. Same with a lot of neurological conditions. Simply put it represents confusion in the brain. Confusion in how to deal with lost noise frequencies and/or how to interpret signals from the CNS or trigeminal nerves. Regardless of the origin your brain doesn't understand how to let go of these issues - as it does with most people which is why most people have the exact same issues yet don't suffer from tinnitus.

When you can retrain and/or reset the brain which is what most current tinnitus treatments - in the pipe or already here - aim to do, that's how you resolve tinnitus. It's a neurological condition resolved by treatments designed specifically for it. It short, it has sweet fuck all to do with radiation or the electromagnetic spectrum. We produce radiation and electromagnetic fields ourselves - and respond to both - but they have NOTHING to do with how and why this condition exists. It exists simply because of a flaw in how our subconscious and conscious minds interact and how we physically/chemically establish memory. There's no shortage of accredited peer reviewed papers om bioelectricmagnetics that clearly demonstrate that peoples claims that things like 5G is harmful is nothing but jive.

But sure, I'll admit there's an infinitesimally small chance that there are things out there that could be harmful to people that we don't know about it, but it's goddamned unlikely. And even if that were true it has absolutely zero to do with how and why this condition exists. Learn the science or don't. I don't care...until people starting spreading disinformation out of fear and stupidity. That sort of shit really gets on my tits. It doesn't help anyone and just sows more needless confusion. If you believe the science is wrong than a good psychiatrist is what you need, not a tinfoil hat. Either that or you can go live in some deep cavern out in the middle of nowhere away from all this evil modernity and see how that works out for you.

 

[all to gain]

I had had multiple experiences where I felt like the person in this experiment. Unless I got a reward for going along (e.g., not losing my job), I would always feel wonderful about refusing to go along. This is the reason why my parents and I haven't had a good time in USSR (and I am not talking about material well being right now).

Can you expand on some of these reasons?

Parents and teachers ought to do a better job of getting the children to think for themselves.

Of course they... should... but unfortunately most of them are socially conditioned from being young and pass on the same conditioning to the next generations. And the vicious circle continues.

A month or two ago I went to fetch my son from sadik. When I got there and peeked through the door I saw that all the children were busily making Soviet tanks with Soviet stars on them out of thick coloured paper that they stuck onto normal paper. My son is 4. When I got home, I sat my son down and gave him a little talk.

By the way, the star fell off... which I thought was quite funny and fitting really

 

[Bill Bauer]

Very interesting. Where did you find that graph?

I got it from a post on Twitter. It looks like someone played with the tools at
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
and created an image of what they found.

 

[Lane]

For those who may have an interest in whether or not hydrogen perxoide therapy treatment and prevention potential against COVID-19, you may find the following testimonial of interest. Her prevention protocol has similarities to what's described in this video: Learn the Right Way To Do Hydrogen Peroxide Inhalation Method for Viruses, COPD, Congestion

Joeann April 19, 2020 at 9:06 am
on Hydrogen Peroxide Inhalation Therapy for COVID-19

Ok folks. As a nurse, I'm currently on the front lines of this virus and how I keep myself from getting it is as follows: A) 1/2 teaspoon of 3% food grade hydrogen peroxide added to 1 teaspoon of filtered water. B) Add the above to a nebulizer cup chamber. Be sure to use a face mask that covers your mouth and nose C) Nebulize for five minutes every time you get exposed. My routine involves once before work and once right when I get home.

At lunch I take the same mixture above (4x the amount) and place into a nasal bottle. I squirt my nose and mouth once at lunch time. The corona virus breaks down at less than 0.5% h202 strength so the above recipe works well. -- At the first sign of cold, flu, bronchitis, pneumonia etc...do the above 4X a day for several days. Share this with others. It works - turn off the tv....juice, exercise, laugh. - don't get stressed - be empowered. Nurse​

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This is an article by a company that's using hydrogen peroxide to decontaminate PPE:

Battelle Develops System to Decontaminate Personal Protective Equipment to Meet Growing Demand During COVID-19 Crisis

 

[Jack V]

For those who may have an interest in whether or not hydrogen perxoide therapy treatment and prevention potential against COVID-19, you may find the following testimonial of interest. Her prevention protocol has similarities to what's described in this video: Learn the Right Way To Do Hydrogen Peroxide Inhalation Method for Viruses, COPD, Congestion

Joeann April 19, 2020 at 9:06 am
on Hydrogen Peroxide Inhalation Therapy for COVID-19

Ok folks. As a nurse, I'm currently on the front lines of this virus and how I keep myself from getting it is as follows: A) 1/2 teaspoon of 3% food grade hydrogen peroxide added to 1 teaspoon of filtered water. B) Add the above to a nebulizer cup chamber. Be sure to use a face mask that covers your mouth and nose C) Nebulize for five minutes every time you get exposed. My routine involves once before work and once right when I get home.

At lunch I take the same mixture above (4x the amount) and place into a nasal bottle. I squirt my nose and mouth once at lunch time. The corona virus breaks down at less than 0.5% h202 strength so the above recipe works well. -- At the first sign of cold, flu, bronchitis, pneumonia etc...do the above 4X a day for several days. Share this with others. It works - turn off the tv....juice, exercise, laugh. - don't get stressed - be empowered. Nurse​

They don't just have similarities, they are likely produced by the same person, since the YouTube video comes from the same site where that "testimonial" was posted, anonymously signed by a not very believable "nurse."

Hydrogen peroxide is poison, and I doubt you'd find a legitimate healthcare provider advising people to inhale it.

 

[Daniel Lion]

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Hi Bill,

We have discussed Sweden before as it is a very interesting model for dealing with the coronavirus and runs contrary to nearly every country's approach. A few things I have read may be worth noting about Sweden. Immigrant communities, who live in tighter urban environments and the elderly, because of lackadaisical workers, have been and are being hit the worst. As much as 40 percent of the population lives alone, I find that hard to believe, but it seems multi generational houses are not the norm. It would seem social distancing is already existent to a certain extent as compared to Italy or NYC. The Swedes' mortality rate from the virus is higher than their neighbors but they seem to be doing really well all things considered and perhaps will reach some kind of collective herd immunity rather fast as the population is 10 million. Just some ideas to mull over. @HeavyMantra may have some insight or other Swedes here on the forum.

Laos has somehow been doing rather well, touch wood. Social distancing is not possible here because of culture and education. This seems to be true in many countries as it's to big an ask for many people... etc.

 

[Daniel Lion]

Post note to my latter comments regarding Sweden.

Today I actually talked with a Swedish friend here in Laos. I asked him how his mom and dad were doing and what their feelings were regarding Sweden's approach. His folks didn't really know, like most of us.

He said things were getting very bad there but that was not from news sources I have researched. Probably Swedish newspapers and Facebook.
We talked about everything, flying, transportation, cinema and of course the environment which has had a few months of a breather from human activity.

There are no new reported cases here and the lockdown is ending despite the fact it is supposed to last to May 3. People are returning to normal, being more lax about face protection and social distancing. Is what it is...

 

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This is an interesting article

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

Even patients without respiratory complaints had Covid pneumonia. The patient stabbed in the shoulder, whom we X-rayed because we worried he had a collapsed lung, actually had Covid pneumonia. In patients on whom we did CT scans because they were injured in falls, we coincidentally found Covid pneumonia. Elderly patients who had passed out for unknown reasons and a number of diabetic patients were found to have it.

And here is what really surprised us: These patients did not report any sensation of breathing problems, even though their chest X-rays showed diffuse pneumonia and their oxygen was below normal. How could this be?

Pneumonia is an infection of the lungs in which the air sacs fill with fluid or pus. Normally, patients develop chest discomfort, pain with breathing and other breathing problems. But when Covid pneumonia first strikes, patients don't feel short of breath, even as their oxygen levels fall. And by the time they do, they have alarmingly low oxygen levels and moderate-to-severe pneumonia (as seen on chest X-rays). Normal oxygen saturation for most persons at sea level is 94 percent to 100 percent; Covid pneumonia patients I saw had oxygen saturations as low as 50 percent.

To my amazement, most patients I saw said they had been sick for a week or so with fever, cough, upset stomach and fatigue, but they only became short of breath the day they came to the hospital. Their pneumonia had clearly been going on for days, but by the time they felt they had to go to the hospital, they were often already in critical condition.

There's also a potentially lethal vascular and clotting component to this which is not understood.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19-patients-blood-clots/story?id=70131612

This isn't a flu, because it's a different class of virus, and it seems to perform a multifaucted, sequential attack on the body where a lot of the damage from severe cases comes from the immune response itself. There may be genetic and other factors, besides age and obesity which we already understand to be strongly correlated with mortality.

The "silent" / "walking" pneumonia aspect is alarming because it implies you can be gravely ill and not know it; it also explains some of the stories of relatively young people who seemed fine with the sniffles one day, and died overnight.

Questions about long-term damage for survivors abound. Even people who are asymptomatic are showing lung abnormalities on C/T; what does that mean in 5, 10 and 25 year time frames?

All of these things just make me firmer in my conviction that avoiding infection with this entirely is highly desirable.

I hope everyone is staying safe and not getting too bored. I will let the people currently walking around beaches and returning to the malls be the canaries in the coal mine; it looks to me like even as things are slowing down in NYC, they are picking up in rural areas and other cities (Atlanta doesn't look great right now).

 

[Bill Bauer]

I will let the people currently walking around beaches and returning to the malls be the canaries in the coal mine

If there aren't too many other people on the beach, it ought to be safe. Hopefully if everyone is wearing masks and glasses at the mall, it is reasonably safe there too...

 

[linearb]

That quoted tweet inside the second image is some nice

from the author of 1200 peer reviewed papers and a recent recipient of $200m in NIH funding.

Experiments, indeed!

 

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If there aren't too many other people on the beach, it ought to be safe.

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[2]

So.... yeah, either everything we know about COVID-19 is wrong, or we're 14-21 days from an even steeper curve in Florida (they had not hit peak when they did this).

Hopefully if everyone is wearing masks and glasses at the mall, it is reasonably safe there too...

Even here in generally reasonable VT where this is mostly being taken seriously it is nothing like "everyone" wearing masks indoors, and those I do see wearing them often don't really seem to understand the purpose/proper protocols.

It really pains me, but I feel like one big thing I am learning from all this is that most Americans do not even possess a B-student tenth-grader's understanding of virology or basic economics, and both of those problems are pouring gasoline on this.



[1] https://www.newsbreak.com/florida/j...of-controversial-jacksonville-beach-reopening
[2] https://www.newsbreak.com/news/0OnL...ded-with-visitors-within-minutes-of-reopening

 

[Ecip]

Americans never seem to end to amaze. Sigh and shrug at the same time. Whatever. Enjoy.

 

[Bill Bauer]

from the author of 1200 peer reviewed papers and a recent recipient of $200m in NIH funding.

One reason this researcher has been so successful MIGHT partially be due to his willingness to take the side that he knows he is expected to take in various controversies.

But like I said, I actually have no idea what to think at this point. I just hope that a month or two from now things will become more clear.

 

[linearb]

But like I said, I actually have no idea what to think at this point. I just hope that a month or two from now things will become more clear.

I actually have a close relative who is a PhD infectious disease researcher with a long career chasing weird infections all over, and they told me a month and a half ago that while there was general consensus across the discipline that the disease was spreading already on both coasts faster than was generally believed by the population, and would be a serious problem of some kind, that there were just too many variables and could-be's to make strong numeric predictions.

I have continued to stay in touch with them; I believe it will take years of retroactive analysis to understand a lot of things, but, we're going to know much more than we do know by mid summer. If the most densely populated parts of Florida, Kentucky and Georgia don't run into resource starvation issues within 4-5 weeks, then a bunch of things will have to be re-assessed.

The current graph continues to pull away from the IHME projection in the bad direction, even without any help from re-opening surges.

 

[Bill Bauer]

the disease was spreading already on both coasts faster than was generally believed by the population

That implies that the death rate is lower than what is believed by the population (as we have a better estimate of the deaths than of the number infected).

 

[FGG]

Americans never seem to end to amaze. Sigh and shrug at the same time. Whatever. Enjoy.

As an American, I agree.

 

[Lane]

I've been meaning to post the following, but just haven't gotten around to it. It's a link to a fairly amazing 47-page compilation (.pdf file) of the works of a pioneer in Vitamin C therapy, and how he used it successfully for a wide variety of ailments over several decades. -- My apologies to those who become irritated by my posts on safe, effective and low cost non-conventional therapies.

Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C
The Clinical Experiences of Frederick R. Klenner, M.D.
abbreviated, sumarized and annotated by Lendon H. Smith, M.D.​

Klenner's maxim: The patient should "get large doses of Vitamin C in all pathological conditions while the physician ponders the diagnosis." -- I think everyday of how this whole pandemic would have almost assuredly played out dramatically differently if the world had heeded this simple advice.

BTW, Klenner was the rural country doctor who first successfully used IV C to consistently cure polio (even severe and advanced cases) back in the 1940's. He (and his work) was also the inspiration for Linus Pauling and others to take a great interest in the therapeutic value of C.

 

[Lane]

The below linked article touches on conventional medicine's avoidance of using IV Vit. C to treat sepsis (which many with the COVID-19 die from), even though it's well documented to save lives.

Modern Medicine's Aversion to Vitamin C Therapy Results in a Half-Million Needless Deaths From Sepsis in U.S. Hospitals Every Year - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

While modern medicine casts a blind eye towards vitamin therapy and even exhibits open disdain for health practitioners and patients who incorporate vitamins into daily health regimens, it now appears a half-million Americans are losing their lives to a mortal bloodstream infection called sepsis that is induced by a deficiency of vitamin C.

After three decades, and more than one-hundred failed clinical trials of synthetic drugs to quell the most common cause of death in American hospitals, modern medicine is dragging its feet over what has now been demonstrated to be obvious — intravenous vitamin C demonstrably reduces death from sepsis. Sepsis patients are being brought back from the precipice of death, enough to make ICU nurses cry tears of joy. But medical overseers have attempted to obscure this fact.

Here is what modern medicine did to quash the compelling though preliminary data showing vitamin C saves lives of sepsis patients...​

 

[GregCA]

My apologies to those who become irritated by my posts on safe, effective and low cost non-conventional therapies.

No worries, that is exactly what the "Ignore" feature was devised for.