Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19) and Tinnitus

where advanced agrarian activity takes place and never really expanded beyond that.
Ok, you also need institutions like protection of private property (as opposed to communal ownership), people not worrying that their savings will be wiped out by inflation, protection of intellectual property (the patent system), etc for growth and civilization.
They created a relaxed sustainable existence and didn't embark on what societies usually do in terms of building greatness.
Well, they Are benefiting from the work done by the people in those societies (i.e, the hospitals, computers, cell phones, etc. make their lives easier). I see that life expectancy in Laos was below 50 years as late as 1980 (and just over 40 years in 1955), and of course even that would have been lower without the benefit of the innovations in those other societies.

Many of us think that physical labour is harder than an office job.

In any case, don't get me wrong - I will never understand all of those billionaires who keep working long after they can afford to pay for a comfortable lifestyle. But a certain minimum standard of living has to be met...
They created a relaxed sustainable existence and didn't embark on what societies usually do in terms of building greatness.
Whenever I see one of those great medieval cathedrals (as well as Neolithic sites such as Stonehenge), I feel horrible about all of the effort that had been wasted there. However, a modern hospital, the electrical grid, etc. - those seem to be, in fact, great.
Sarcasm doesn't work here and the concept of "angst" doesn't really exist as far as I know.
No dark humor?
I did watch Mel Brooks' Young Frankenstein recently and she thought I looked like Marty Feldman, the hunchback, and pissed herself laughing. I wish could tell you more clearly, I am sorry.
I think you have conveyed it, and if I were to see a fictional hunchback who were to remind me of me or someone I knew, I can see myself enjoying that a lot too.
Villages self police and things are quite libertarian about what you can do.
Cool! I remember Carl Pilkington (a UK TV personality) saying how free the country of Mexico felt to him when he visited it.
I am very fond of a science fiction movie called Elysium. All the rich have moved off of Earth to a space station that has botanical gardens, waterfalls, and the best medicine and health care technology. Earth is an absolute shit hole, more so than now, and that's where the vast majority live. Great movie and a very realistic vision of the not so distant future. Please check it out.
When it came out, I read the synopsis. I ended up not watching it, because it is my understanding that Elysium falls, becoming a hellhole like Earth.

You can't make everyone rich, but you can easily make everyone poor. The original poor get even poorer, but it is the cost some people are willing to pay to ensure that other human beings are no longer happier than them.
I saw some of your posts in the Suicidal thread yesterday and give you praise for your kind words to folks in deep shit, it really does mean a lot.
Many of them really do have a chance of getting better and relatively soon (2-3 years)...
 
At least you're in a good location and have the outdoors, lockdowns in a big city is just hellish.
Great to hear from you Daniel, and that things sound... largely good/well for you, in these crazy times? That's also great to hear.

Being so remote, and so relatively safer from the virus and also able to go outside and walk/motorcycle for miles and not see other people is a tremendous blessing. If tinnitus hadn't steered me hard towards moving out of the city, we might well in the same situation as friends trying to endure all this from condos in concrete towers sitting next to highways. Ugh. Also, we're in an area where this just isn't being very politicized: mask compliance is basically 100% where required, and even when I do typically "hillbilly" stuff I've noticed a big change. I happened to ride my motorcycle past a gravel pit where people shoot, and stopped for a few minutes. There was a group of 4 young to middle aged men shooting. They made friendly conversation, complimented my bike, etc -- but no one attempted to approach it, no one came closer than about 12' to me, and no one said "hey, do you want to shoot this random gun I have that I am very proud of?" -- all of those things would have been "normal" parts of this interaction a year ago. So, up here, even the boys at the unofficial range with illegally silenced rifles, are keeping their distance and being respectful. Not having to deal with any social toxicity over this, and feeling like we and our actions are broadly aligned with our community, is much nicer than not.

@Bill Bauer your fly / blows up house image has been stuck in my head. I don't entirely disagree, I'm just flailing to understand what a more reasonable model would have been. In my book, definitely not Sweden.

Known left-wing shill pot "The Wall Street Journal" published this; it's an Op-Ed but has some hard numbers and citations. Also note that the person who wrote this was Trump's FDA commissioner from 2017-2019.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sweden-shouldnt-be-americas-pandemic-model-11598822005

Sweden Shouldn't Be America's Pandemic Model
The Swedes aren't close to reaching herd immunity. We need to continue to contain the virus spread.


The Trump administration's Covid response seems increasingly to reflect a policy preference among some conservatives: Protect the elderly and let others try to get on with their lives. This thinking assumes that herd immunity will slow the pandemic if more younger people are infected. Many features of federal policy seem to be following this philosophy.

It's important to protect the old and the vulnerable, who are at the highest risk of severe illness and bad outcomes. But like most issues of medicine, it isn't a binary choice. Given the uncertainties of how this virus spreads and its high risk of infirmities, it would be unwise to abandon efforts to limit Covid spread wherever possible. That means continued universal masking, social distancing, and diagnosing and tracing of individual cases.

While age appears to be the strongest predictor of death and severe disease, other risks like diabetes and obesity correlate with bad outcomes. About 10% of Americans have diabetes, and 40% are considered obese. Young people can fall seriously ill. About 40% of hospitalizations in Sunbelt states in the last week of June were in people ages 18 to 49. Then there are those who survive but don't fully recover. There's growing evidence that the virus can damage the heart and cause dangerous autoimmune and inflammatory conditions, including in children.

Covid spreads too easily to think it can be confined to the young. The summer epidemics in Sunbelt states initially affected mainly a younger cohort and then seeped into an older population. A wedding in Maine caused an outbreak that spread to a rehabilitation center and a jail. It is neither possible nor desirable to lock away the elderly and people with underlying health conditions.


Yet this week proponents of the let-it-rip policy hailed a rewrite of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines that appears to discourage testing asymptomatic people who have been exposed to the virus. The new guidance, whatever its intent, will discourage communities from testing the young and the healthy. This will make it more difficult to track and trace cases.


Proponents point to Sweden as a successful model of this approach. Swedish government officials initially sought to let the virus run largely unchallenged in the general population while taking steps to protect the elderly. The Swedish view was that the country could reach herd immunity without jeopardizing the economy. But holding up Sweden as an enlightened model misreads important parts of its experience.

Many Swedes pulled back from normal activities to shelter themselves from infection anyway, even younger and middle-aged people. The country experienced 5,821 Covid deaths in a population the size of North Carolina. And Sweden is far short of herd immunity, even as the country's economic recovery ranks among the worst in its region. A May survey of Swedish exposure to coronavirus found that 6.7% of those aged 20 to 64 had evidence of past infection, along with 4.7% of those younger than 19 and 2.7% of those 65 and older. Stockholm, the country's single large population center, also has a much lower density than most American cities. That reduces Sweden's risk of continued epidemic spread.

Yet embrace of the "Swedish model" is based on assumptions that sidestep some of these facts. The biggest misconception is a belief that there's a large reservoir of Americans who are already immune to Covid. This view is based on the fact that as many as 50% of people have immune cells, called T-cells, that develop in response to other seasonal coronaviruses and which have been shown to counter the Covid virus in petri-dish tests. Yet the science here is preliminary, and this lab finding may not have any bearing on the pandemic's dynamics.

Confronting a dangerous pandemic requires containing spread wherever it is reasonably possible. Sensible measures such as universal masking, testing and widespread and rapid contact tracing can help. The best way to protect the vulnerable is to try to protect everyone.

Dr. Gottlieb is a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and was commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, 2017-19. He serves on the boards of health-care companies involved in the Covid-19 response and is a partner at the venture-capital firm New Enterprise Associates.

I'm glad that I'm not the person who had to make the go/no go decision on blowing up the economy. On the other hand, there's a number of non-authoritarian states which had wider mask and distancing adoption without politicization early on, which at least at the moment appear to be handling things much better than the US in terms of balancing economics vs health concerns. At the moment is sketchy, though, because the world is a reservoir of this virus now but other than that, nothing about the virus has changed since last December.

Also, I think local compliance and confidence matters a lot. All of the restaurants we used to go to are still in business and operating as curbside now. Some places have not managed to find a way to stay open at all, but in the two small towns and one mid size town I go to, > 80% of retail and service businesses that were operating a year ago, are still operating. It seems like the more internally divided a region is, and the more it's also been subjected to mass civil unrest during all this, the worse its doing overall?

We've had a lot of peaceful protests here but the cops didn't start shooting at anyone or gassing anyone, so there wasn't any escalation or violence.
 
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And check this out too

I got the graphs below from the interesting series of tweets above:

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IFR numbers are all over the map but Brazil's infrastructure is terrible, their reporting is terrible, and so I'm pretty suspicious of a single paper that concludes an IFR that's less than half the lower estimate from other research.

We also don't know if we're going to have a wave of heart attacks among otherwise healthy recovered young people in the coming years. Just looking at pure mortality numbers now seems a little cart-before-the-horse until we know if a significant number of survivors will suffer radically excess mortality or have expensive problems inflicting personal and economic damage. The US insurance infrastructure is already stretched paper thin and extremely expensive; I don't know that it could survive a sudden wave of 40 year olds that need expensive heart treatments for the rest of their lives.

Of course, maybe those side effects only occur in .005% of people (though given the number of college athletes showing cardio stuff, I think that's pretty optimistic).

It's a whole lot of unknowns, so, I'm sticking with "y'all do you, I don't want cardiac problems or to kill my parents, so I am going to keep doing everything in my power to avoid getting sick".

Naval gazing about what would have happened if we'd just ignored this globally, or had a radically different, well prepared response doesn't seem useful. Maybe people should be looking at that in terms of the next event like this; on the other hand, the next one could be a lot more minor, or it could be so Captain Tripps grade severe that no response matters and it just destroys human civilization. The far end of these contingencies you can't really plan for unless you have a hidden underground bunker (no comment).
 
My mom has an abnormal ECG since having covid which needs to be investigated with a 24-hour trace. She's still on the waiting list for this. Her kidney GFR also dropped to 55 post covid but it has slightly recovered to 62. There's no way of saying with any certainty that these were the result of having the coronavirus, but it's awfully coincidental. She has regular blood tests because of the medication she is on so her kidneys have been tracked for a long time and so has her heart.

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She is now part of an NHS study on the effects of having coronavirus in the longterm which indicates that they believe it's most likely linked.
 
Hi @Bill Bauer,
I was curious if you modified your resplendent beard because of COVID-19 or have heard of any antidotes related to beards?
Today I had been wearing a mask. (It wasn't because of COVID-19. I was trying to not breathe in those 2.5 particles in the soot in the air. The soot was present in the air around here in large quantities because of those major fires in Oregon.) Unfortunately I wasn't wearing an N99 mask. It was a surgical mask. Usually when one wears a regular surgical mask, some air comes in on the sides of one's face. My hope is that my beard acted as a filter! (Portions of it were located right at the two mask's vulnerable spots.)
 
@Ed209

Good to see you back, I was a bit worried about you.

How are your Mom, wife, daughter, yourself doing after COVID-19 besides the abnormalities?

I'm not too bad other than my health. Just waiting for the results of my knee X-rays amongst other things. I'm also a proud father again; my son was born on June 7th.

My wife is doing ok. Incidentally, we both tested negative on an antibody test whilst my mom tested positive. However, the test was done 3 months after we had the symptoms and so the results are unreliable. The doctors I'm in contact with are still totally convinced that we had it. For example, a colleague of theirs at the hospital swabbed positive for Covid-19 but was negative on the antibody test, and this was not an isolated case.

My mom on the other hand has been hit really hard by it. She still struggles to breathe under exertion and mentally she's terrified of catching it again. She has had to change her diet by cutting out protein because of what's happened to her kidneys. She's really worried about her heart as well. There are also staff members at my wife's school who are having abnormal heart activity.

About a month ago I was talking to a Dr (who is a friend of a friend) at a party and he was telling me that many of his patients are showing longterm effects after having the virus. He said he'd never seen anything like it. This is precisely why the NHS is studying the longterm ramifications.

Anyway, enough of the doom and gloom, I hope you're all ok.
 
My wife and I are considering getting tested for the coronavirus, along with our kids.

I don't think we have it, and instead think we all have colds, i.e. due to the change of weather here, daughter going back to school and being in contact with other kids, going outside inadequately dressed and so on.

But who knows, may be better to get tested.
 
I got tested for COVID-19 today. It is a double test to show if I have the virus now or if I had it 3 weeks ago.

Should get the results in a day or two. Also got tested for testosterone, iron, Vit D and cholesterol.
 
CNBC reported today that 205,000 Americans have been bilked and defrauded of $145 million, much of which concerns the peddling and manipulative sales of fake, useless anodynes, remedies, cures, etc. for COVID-19. (They also said that "the prevalence of fraud is much higher than federal figures suggest, since they do not reflect scams unreported by consumers").

The Federal Trade Commission is on the alert to make a widespread effort to warn consumers.

Regarding tinnitus, I only wish that the FTC would also concentrate on the alarming number of quite similar scammers, charlatans, supplement providers, etc. who for years with total impunity have populated the Internet.
 
You know something's off in your society when leaving the house requires a formal donning procedure... disinfect hands, put on KN95 mask against the virus, musician's earplugs against the city noise, disinfect hands again, enter the hot zone, hope for the best.

I fondly remember those times when the outside environment wasn't actively lethal...
 
Do you know if Favipiravir affects tinnitus? Is it being used in your country as a treatment option for COVID? I am just curious.
 
Incredible:

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

It looks like for about a month the mortality in Europe was about 30% higher than normal. It was a flu that's slightly more serious than the regular flu.

If someone uses the term "COVID-19" or "Coronavirus" around you, you will want to insist that they stop with the 1984-like gaslighting and use the English word "flu".
 
Coronaviruses are not influenzas, any more than Fords are Landrovers, so calling a Covid case a flu case is about as correct as calling an F150 a landrover.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ses-latest-b880887.html?utm_source=reddit.com

Coronavirus killing three times more people than flu and pneumonia combined
The Office for National Statistics says Covid-19 was the underlying cause in more than 48,000 deaths

edit: it would be very possible to have a coronavirus that was less lethal than flu. In fact, until SARS-COV-2 / COVID-19, the only coronavirus known to be more problematic than influenza was SARS-COV-1 (1994), and a number of coronaviruses are endemic in humans.

Semantic arguments are useless, SARS-COV-2 / COVID-19 / "Coronavirus" 2019/2020 is a novel virus which is highly infectious (compared to routine influenza), is very lethal (compared to routine influenza), and attacks the human organism along very different axis than influenza does. People can call it whatever they want, I call it "COVID-19, the disease which is vastly more risky to 40 year old me, my 75 year old parents, and my unborn child, than any other disease that is endemic in North America in 2020".

Some people can call it "awesome noproblem notaabigdeal", yet we still sit at ~210K dead with many more yet to burn through.
 
is very lethal (compared to routine influenza)
This claim is laughable if you look at the "excess deaths" statistics in my post above.

And here is the data for Canada:
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/45-28-0001/2020001/article/00076-eng.htm

Stop using the term COVID-19. We already have an English word for it: flu.

I guess what we are seeing is some kind of a cult, where wearing a mask is akin to wearing a cross, and using the word "COVID-19" is some kind of a weird incantation.
 
This claim is laughable if you look at the "excess deaths" statistics in my post above.

And here is the data for Canada:
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/45-28-0001/2020001/article/00076-eng.htm

Stop using the term COVID-19. We already have an English word for it: flu.

I guess what we are seeing is some kind of a cult, where wearing a mask is akin to wearing a cross, and using the word "COVID-19" is some kind of a weird incantation.
But "flu" is short for influenza, which is a family of viruses. It would be incorrect to call it a flu no matter what you think of the virus' potential for harm.

COVID-19 is in the coronavirus family.
 
yet we still sit at ~210K dead
See, a year ago, if someone had a flu when they died of cancer or a car accident, they wouldn't count it as a flu death. This year they are doing that. If they were to do that a year ago, you would have something like ~170K dead, and a lot more in a bad year. It is still not clear to me whether this year's flu is worse than the flu in an average year. It looks like its rate of death for those infected is unusually low.
 

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