I Invented a Sound That Knocked Out My Tinnitus

[Chriscom]

After maybe five nights of trying this, I'm taking a break, largely out of concern it may have worsened the warbling effect in my left ear, but I want to emphasize may.

The warbling/reactive sound, which takes several forms, has been the worst part of tinnitus for me though the high tone can be pretty bad too.

I never succeeded in listening for more than around fifty minutes, and not because of the hellish way Tinnitus Mix sounds at first. Like many others here it became less offensive and for me actually an interesting sound over time. My issue was not being able to fall asleep with it, so I never got the overnight/sleeping treatment that appears to be key. The reactive warbling also is so present--the overall sound when I listen to this is radically different on the left side than the right--that I may just not be a good candidate for this. Regardless, the warbling is pretty bad on that side now so I'm going to take some time off and see if it calms down (it's as bad as it's ever been, but not worse. It had been declining a bit over time).

I can't definitely say it's cause-and-effect because 1. Tinnitus and 2. My pure tone was recently a bit worse which is why I tried this in the first place, so I may have ended up at this point anyway.

 

[all to gain]

But: All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ‒ Arthur Schopenhauer

We are at the end of stage 1...

Whereas: "There are three stages in the life of a new mental health drug: euphoria, then medical doubts, then lawsuits."

We are at stage 3, but hanging onto stage 2... and some even stage 1.

 

[JohnAdams]

After maybe five nights of trying this, I'm taking a break, largely out of concern it may have worsened the warbling effect in my left ear, but I want to emphasize may.

The warbling/reactive sound, which takes several forms, has been the worst part of tinnitus for me though the high tone can be pretty bad too.

I never succeeded in listening for more than around fifty minutes, and not because of the hellish way Tinnitus Mix sounds at first. Like many others here it became less offensive and for me actually an interesting sound over time. My issue was not being able to fall asleep with it, so I never got the overnight/sleeping treatment that appears to be key. The reactive warbling also is so present--the overall sound when I listen to this is radically different on the left side than the right--that I may just not be a good candidate for this. Regardless, the warbling is pretty bad on that side now so I'm going to take some time off and see if it calms down (it's as bad as it's ever been, but not worse. It had been declining a bit over time).

I can't definitely say it's cause-and-effect because 1. Tinnitus and 2. My pure tone was recently a bit worse which is why I tried this in the first place, so I may have ended up at this point anyway.

AJC made a version with waves in the beginning. Try that. @ajc

 

[JohnAdams]

I think I'm at like night 19 or something. I can correlate how quiet my tinnitus is the next day by how long I successfully use this each night. It is apparent that it is a direct correlation. If I wake up early, I CANNOT fall back asleep with it.

 

[ZZZukas]

Well, I'm curious enough now that I'm going to give this a try. The curcumin effect, while still positive, has leveled off. The headphones were delivered today so I'll be trying it very soon.

Based purely off of his posts, I still don't think case understands why his circuit works like it does nor through what mechanism it affects tinnitus. A lot of his posts are hand waving "it has been observed" without ever offering a root cause explanation. If he were in a design review at places I've worked, his design would be dismissed until he could explain exactly why it works. And I'm sorry, but I don't believe any B field or E field waves are making it into the brain based off the speaker construction/materials. BUT. I'm willing to concede that he may have stumbled onto something that actually does work for some people. He's freely distributing it and is engaged in this thread. I don't have reactive tinnitus so I'm willing to give this a shot. Doesn't seem to be a downside for me. I'll report back as results do or do not come in.

One more thing. Granted, I haven't read through this whole thread, but from what I've seen it is suspicious that almost all of the people saying they had success just recently became members since Tinnitus Mix came out. I know I just became a member, too, but it does raise a flag in my mind. On the other hand, it seems like an awful lot of energy to be putting into this if he's behind all of those accounts. We'll see.

 

[Chriscom]

AJC made a version with waves in the beginning. Try that. @ajc

I may, and thank you. I actually downloaded that file first and sampled the rain intro until I found the repeat option on my MediaMonkey player, when I tried sleeping with it for real. But again I suspect the basic nature of my warble (not the most accurate term) may just bar me from this. Sitting here in my quiet apartment, the humidifier has a soothing natural sound in my good, right ear but a low-level whoosh in my left ear. I think the rain will just be another parade of mush that won't let anything else through. But if it's not too mushy and lets me fall to sleep, may be worth a try.

But who knows!

 

[Christopher E.]

MUST READ - I might have been enlightened today as to the reason Tinnitus Mix is so effective.

Since my tinnitus started in November I have been calling all around to find someone well versed in tinnitus. I have gotten varying opinions but I got a call back today from Dr. Natalie Phillips who is very well known in the Audiology and tinnitus field.

She trusts the processes recognized in TRT and said that listening to "Non-melodic, Non-repeating, and sound Diverse and Rich audio while you sleep is one of the best ways to train to brain to let go of tinnitus."

She said that you don't want anything you can hum to, nothing with an owl that hoots every ten seconds, or anything that loops and has an audible break in it. The brain, even while sleeping, begins looking for these things. If it notices patterns the sound therapy will not be near as effective.

I just found this very interesting since Tinnitus Mix is essentially all of these things she recommended the therapy be, in a nut shell.

 

[mrbrightside614]

Just got ajc's file to work on my phone and bought the headphones, coming on Monday. Now the only questions are:

1) will I have to up my Seroquel dose to get to sleep with this thing on; and
2) will my distance from my WiFi source stop its play in the middle of the night. No way to circumvent 2, either.

 

[MRItechssuck]

You aren't paranoid if everyone is out to get you.

 

[FGG]

I will finish out the month but I am thinking this is not helping me. In fact, it made my reactivity and tinnitus worsen. I don't know if the fact that mine is not noise induced is a factor or not but I will report back again soon. I guess I am among the 50% this doesn't help.

 

[JohnAdams]

let go of tinnitus

What does that even mean?

 

[JohnAdams]

I will finish out the month but I am thinking this is not helping me. In fact, it made my reactivity and tinnitus worsen. I don't know if the fact that mine is not noise induced is a factor or not but I will report back again soon. I guess I am among the 50% this doesn't help.

I appreciate your willingness to be pro-active. I really do.

 

[AfroSnowman]

What does that even mean?

I would imagine that it means not paying attention to it, ceasing to be aware of it even while it is still present.

 

[Christopher E.]

What does that even mean?

I would imagine that it means not paying attention to it, ceasing to be aware of it even while it is still present.

Yeah, I think Afro is spot on. She made it sound like it was a way to get the brain to let go of the response to it or even noticing it exists for long periods of time. Essentially she said, we give tinnitus meaning which takes it from one part of the brain to another part that makes it much harder to overlook. She said if we are asking questions like "is it louder now?, I ate ____ so is that why it spiked today?, etc." your brain is recognizing it as more than a sound. That is what TRT aims to break. Turn the sound into just a sound. When the mind sees it as that it becomes way less bothersome.

Now trust me, I want silence if I can get it. I will definitely be trying to find my solution, but I also feel if I can go from my baseline to something a bit quieter I would be able to habituate easier.

I guess we will see but I was just blown away when she said everything tinnitus mix is would be helpful and that sleep therapy is way better than awake therapy. Your brain doesn't look for tinnitus while you sleep. Only when you are awake it gets meaning.

 

[ZZZukas]

See... this comment by Christopher E. is exactly what I'm talking about. Someone who has had tinnitus for a very short time and a member of Tinnitus Talk only since Tinnitus Mix has come out, chimes in at a high a level trying to explain how this may work. Bold text, quotes, calling him Mr. case in other posts - all that stuff screams duplicate account. Now, JohnAdams seems to be having some success with this, and after a 1 year+ of lurking and reading posts here, i give more credence to his opinion than others. But has anyone else who has been a member since before Tinnitus Mix came out had improvement as a result of Tinnitus Mix?

Still willing to give it a shot. About to go to bed for the first time listening to Tinnitus Mix...

 

[R. David Case]

Well, I'm curious enough now that I'm going to give this a try. The curcumin effect, while still positive, has leveled off. The headphones were delivered today so I'll be trying it very soon.

Based purely off of his posts, I still don't think case understands why his circuit works like it does nor through what mechanism it affects tinnitus. A lot of his posts are hand waving "it has been observed" without ever offering a root cause explanation. If he were in a design review at places I've worked, his design would be dismissed until he could explain exactly why it works. And I'm sorry, but I don't believe any B field or E field waves are making it into the brain based off the speaker construction/materials. BUT. I'm willing to concede that he may have stumbled onto something that actually does work for some people. He's freely distributing it and is engaged in this thread. I don't have reactive tinnitus so I'm willing to give this a shot. Doesn't seem to be a downside for me. I'll report back as results do or do not come in.

One more thing. Granted, I haven't read through this whole thread, but from what I've seen it is suspicious that almost all of the people saying they had success just recently became members since Tinnitus Mix came out. I know I just became a member, too, but it does raise a flag in my mind. On the other hand, it seems like an awful lot of energy to be putting into this if he's behind all of those accounts. We'll see.

Well I hope you have good luck like hundreds around the world. When I invented Tinnitus Mix and it worked I did not know why. Over the years seeing it has worked on 579 people so far, I know for sure there is something to the sounds AND METHOD that stops tinnitus, hyperacusis, clicking sounds, vibrations.

It could be something that is hard to quantify and may take rocket scientist to figure out.
You do realize the medical industry STILL don't know a lot about tinnitus or hyperacusis!

 

[R. David Case]

Just got ajc's file to work on my phone and bought the headphones, coming on Monday. Now the only questions are:

1) will I have to up my Seroquel dose to get to sleep with this thing on; and
2) will my distance from my WiFi source stop its play in the middle of the night. No way to circumvent 2, either.

Play during the day for a few hours to get used to the sounds, then switch to nights, you can record it onto an mp3 player that plays WAV files (high quality).

 

[R. David Case]

MUST READ - I might have been enlightened today as to the reason Tinnitus Mix is so effective.

Since my tinnitus started in November I have been calling all around to find someone well versed in tinnitus. I have gotten varying opinions but I got a call back today from Dr. Natalie Phillips who is very well known in the Audiology and tinnitus field.

She trusts the processes recognized in TRT and said that listening to "Non-melodic, Non-repeating, and sound Diverse and Rich audio while you sleep is one of the best ways to train to brain to let go of tinnitus."

She said that you don't want anything you can hum to, nothing with an owl that hoots every ten seconds, or anything that loops and has an audible break in it. The brain, even while sleeping, begins looking for these things. If it notices patterns the sound therapy will not be near as effective.

I just found this very interesting since Tinnitus Mix is essentially all of these things she recommended the therapy be, in a nut shell.

YES, you are correct!!! Tinnitus Mix has BROWNIAN characteristics, that means TRUE RANDOMNESS (random walking noise) from thermal energy my device picked up wile making Tinnitus Mix recordings. You are so right!!!

 

[JohnAdams]

That is what TRT aims to break. Turn the sound into just a sound.

Well too bad because it isn't "just a sound". It causes imbalances in your nervous system which have other inescapable effects on your health, like floaters, and visual snow. Also hyperacusis is present in lots of tinnitus cases and it affects the fight or flight part of your nervous system which causes stress. Look, you can try and lie to yourself and believe that it isn't bothering you all you want. I will be here to tell people that it is a lie, because it is.

 

[DaveFromChicago]

To JohnAdams:

As far as I am concerned, the Widex White Noise Masker is nothing more than an artificial tinnitus sound that overlays the natural tinnitus sound (thereby unbearably amplifying the total sound).

It infuriates me that this is widely regarded as a solution for tinnitus.

 

[Christopher E.]

Bold text, quotes, calling him Mr. case in other posts - all that stuff screams duplicate account.

I understand you feel like this might be a duplicate account but I assure you it's not. I am new here yes. I don't claim to be an expert. I just thought it could be helpful as I talked to someone who has been working with tinnitus patients for 20 years and that's what she suggested. Take it or leave it.

Well too bad because it isn't "just a sound". It causes imbalances in your nervous system which have other inescapable effects on your health, like floaters, and visual snow.
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I honestly haven't been through all 70 pages of this. Were those symptoms reported by users/you are experiencing yourself? That's very interesting at a minimum. I am not trying to pretend that I don't want silence and tinnitus isn't bothering me right now. But I could see myself getting to a place where I am so sick of thinking about it that I just let go of caring about it. Not sure when that might happen but not out of the realm of possibility for me I guess.

By all means, you guys have more experience in this space. I have only had tinnitus a little over a month but I figured I would try to contribute where I can when I gather any information that could be useful in someone's decision to use Tinnitus Mix or any other sound therapy at night. Personally last night, I tried sound therapy from YouTube that has a lot of random noises but is much less harsh than Tinnitus Mix. I can't speak to any results yet but just applying the fact that TRT works better at night might help some folks. Lots of lurkers that don't have accounts as I was one of them for a good while. I hope it helps someone out there.

 

[Tybs]

But I could see myself getting to a place where I am so sick of thinking about it that I just let go of caring about it. Not sure when that might happen but not out of the realm of possibility for me I guess.

Trying to prevent this is a good thing: you don't help yourself if you obsess about tinnitus and allow it to drive yourself crazy.

I don't think anyone on this forum has a problem with TRT as a valid method to manage tinnitus, while waiting for a real cure to the actual cause. The whole issue that a lot of people are (rightfully) concerned with is that there are people, and even some doctors, who advertise TRT as a cure, thereby essentially telling the world that tinnitus does not need to be addressed any further. A cure fixing the true cause won't come when the rest of the world assumes that tinnitus is not an issue anymore.

In the roughly seven months that I've had this condition, plenty of good-willing people suggested TRT to me already, saying that the doctors will treat tinnitus that way. Time and time again I had to explain that this treatment does not equal a cure: it only "installs" a coping mechanism. It becomes quite disheartening when everyone assumes that the condition already has an easy fix, because this attitude can eventually result in (unintentional) ignorance in the medical community. Tinnitus has already has been ignored enough throughout the years...

 

[Bndsmheowqhe]

See... this comment by Christopher E. is exactly what I'm talking about. Someone who has had tinnitus for a very short time and a member of Tinnitus Talk only since Tinnitus Mix has come out, chimes in at a high a level trying to explain how this may work. Bold text, quotes, calling him Mr. case in other posts - all that stuff screams duplicate account. Now, JohnAdams seems to be having some success with this, and after a 1 year+ of lurking and reading posts here, i give more credence to his opinion than others. But has anyone else who has been a member since before Tinnitus Mix came out had improvement as a result of Tinnitus Mix?

Still willing to give it a shot. About to go to bed for the first time listening to Tinnitus Mix...

I've used it several times with some success. I had to discontinue because of several unrelated loud noise exposures. I'm hoping to start using it again in the near future.

 

[JayK]

Just wanted to update after using the Tinnitus Mix for one week.

Had the quietest couple of days in a decade. I don't know if it's temporary, habituation, etc. But Mr. Case is definitely onto something. I was even hearing faint sounds from appliances, fridge from far away that I never heard before. I don't know if this improves hearing or just that my tinnitus is so quiet I can finally hear my surroundings.

I don't use headphones to listen to the Tinnitus Mix. I just play the mix throughout the night through my desktop speakers on low volume. Also if I'm working on my desktop I'll have it playing every now and then.

I will definitely continue this. I hope Mr. Case gets the recognization he deserves for his efforts. This has helped more than any ENT, doctor, "professional" that I ever consulted.

 

[R. David Case]

Just wanted to update after using the Tinnitus Mix for one week.

Had the quietest couple of days in a decade. I don't know if it's temporary, habituation, etc. But Mr. Case is definitely onto something. I was even hearing faint sounds from appliances, fridge from far away that I never heard before. I don't know if this improves hearing or just that my tinnitus is so quiet I can finally hear my surroundings.

I don't use headphones to listen to the Tinnitus Mix. I just play the mix throughout the night through my desktop speakers on low volume. Also if I'm working on my desktop I'll have it playing every now and then.

I will definitely continue this. I hope Mr. Case gets the recognization he deserves for his efforts. This has helped more than any ENT, doctor, "professional" that I ever consulted.

That's GREAT!! Soo happy you are seeing good results with Tinnitus Mix. You could see better results if you can play on the Koss KTX-PRO1 headphones but hey if it's working like that for you that's great. I do play on low during the day on speaker as background noise but it works much better while sleeping with the Koss.

 

[R. David Case]

I've used it several times with some success. I had to discontinue because of several unrelated loud noise exposures. I'm hoping to start using it again in the near future.

It is best not to stop or skip a day in the initial 3 weeks or the tinnitus will try to reform. Here is an analogy of how this works: think of the tinnitus like a bonfire , when your ready to go to bed you pour a cup of water (Tinnitus Mix) on the fire and it puts it out, there is still a hot coal smoldering under the wood, after a few hours it caches fire again. You pour another cup of water and put it out again. This is the way the tinnitus reacts to Tinnitus Mix, so if you skip a day it could roar back. The cause of the tinnitus is still smoldering trying to reform but if Tinnitus Mix is played at set intervals it is never allowed to reform.

 

[R. David Case]

See... this comment by Christopher E. is exactly what I'm talking about. Someone who has had tinnitus for a very short time and a member of Tinnitus Talk only since Tinnitus Mix has come out, chimes in at a high a level trying to explain how this may work. Bold text, quotes, calling him Mr. case in other posts - all that stuff screams duplicate account. Now, JohnAdams seems to be having some success with this, and after a 1 year+ of lurking and reading posts here, i give more credence to his opinion than others. But has anyone else who has been a member since before Tinnitus Mix came out had improvement as a result of Tinnitus Mix?

Still willing to give it a shot. About to go to bed for the first time listening to Tinnitus Mix...

If you read this thread you will find about 12 people reporting good results with Tinnitus Mix, I am only here to help and I know none of the posters and this is real!

 

[R. David Case]

Well too bad because it isn't "just a sound". It causes imbalances in your nervous system which have other inescapable effects on your health, like floaters, and visual snow. Also hyperacusis is present in lots of tinnitus cases and it affects the fight or flight part of your nervous system which causes stress. Look, you can try and lie to yourself and believe that it isn't bothering you all you want. I will be here to tell people that it is a lie, because it is.

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I agree John, many doctors say tinnitus is just a sound that the brain perceives is there but it is not, that's bull. Not only is tinnitus real, it is causing brain damage! This is why the longer you have had tinnitus the longer Tinnitus Mix takes to reverse the damage. Your brain has to heal to get the silence we all want.

 

[LostOutWest]

Just wanted to update after using the Tinnitus Mix for one week.

Had the quietest couple of days in a decade. I don't know if it's temporary, habituation, etc. But Mr. Case is definitely onto something. I was even hearing faint sounds from appliances, fridge from far away that I never heard before. I don't know if this improves hearing or just that my tinnitus is so quiet I can finally hear my surroundings.

I don't use headphones to listen to the Tinnitus Mix. I just play the mix throughout the night through my desktop speakers on low volume. Also if I'm working on my desktop I'll have it playing every now and then.

I will definitely continue this. I hope Mr. Case gets the recognization he deserves for his efforts. This has helped more than any ENT, doctor, "professional" that I ever consulted.

Everything you're saying in this post summarizes my feelings and experience thus far. In the short time I've had this miserable tinnitus, I've tried a lot of things, and spoken to a lot of doctors and "experts", who were all sort of useless. Tinnitus Mix, supplements, avoiding loud noise, exercise, staying optimistic as much as I can, diving into the science of it to help me understand what might work, and taking care of myself in general seem to be the only thing that are helping me mentally and physically. And I'd say things are improving. Maybe ya just the passing of time. Who cares - better is better.

ENTs and Audiologists want to tell me about mindfulness and habituation. I'm happy that works for some people, and I support whatever people need to push through with this tinnitus. But for me, no thanks to all that. I want to work on solutions and science, and something about Tinnitus Mix for whatever the underlying science appears to help me - quieter days, less tonality, more manageability.

Placebo, passage of time, compounding of treatments? No idea. I'll never know, so who cares.

I hope skeptics give it a shot because it's free and seems to be generating improvements in some of us. Always good to be leery about internet advice from strangers, but don't worry so much that Tinnitus Mix is a scam.

I'm on Night 15 and I'm still seeing progress with Tinnitus Mix as part of my regiment. In the ways I've mentioned above. I am glad to have started using this at night. Makes perfect sense to me that a nighttime sound therapy could be useful.

I hope more people get the same experience - tinnitus sucks and I'm sorry we all have this to deal with.

 

[Chriscom]

Just wanted to update after using the Tinnitus Mix for one week.

Had the quietest couple of days in a decade. I don't know if it's temporary, habituation, etc. But Mr. Case is definitely onto something. I was even hearing faint sounds from appliances, fridge from far away that I never heard before. I don't know if this improves hearing or just that my tinnitus is so quiet I can finally hear my surroundings.

I don't use headphones to listen to the Tinnitus Mix. I just play the mix throughout the night through my desktop speakers on low volume. Also if I'm working on my desktop I'll have it playing every now and then.

I will definitely continue this. I hope Mr. Case gets the recognization he deserves for his efforts. This has helped more than any ENT, doctor, "professional" that I ever consulted.

I might give this a try, that is, playing without the headphones. As I said above I had to drop it after several days because I couldn't really get to sleep with headphones on, but especially because it seemingly aggravated the whoosh/warble in my bad ear. That's mainly subsided since I stopped (back to its earlier level). The whoosh/warble is more disabling in my case than the plenty annoying pure tone, so I have to proceed cautiously.