Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

[GlennS]

Heh, let's hope it's December or before.
I've actually called Neuromod a few days ago, apparently they *are* currently speaking with the FDA for US approval. If they can truly get it in 2019 that would be great. At least that was what Ross O'Neill said they were going for.

This is the kind of thing I was hoping to hear around now when I booked my appointment. I know it's a privilege to be in line but 4 trips to Ireland is hard for an environmentally-minded person to rationalize, especially with the Amazon burning down and Greenland quickly melting. Not to soapbox but flying is the single most polluting thing people do in the industrialized world, especially considering that most of it is purely for recreational purposes. But I'll have to book the first flight in the next few weeks and there's still not enough info to go by.

 

[Bob90]

Just realized a great hidden benefit of the device could be preventing new sounds developing. My dad has been helping me cope with my tinnitus since he's had it for the last 2.5 years. His is quiet enough and/or he just got used to it enough he doesn't hear it unless someone reminds him.

However, a new noise just started to develop in his right ear today. His better ear, sadly. It's completely possible this is temporary and will go away or be intermittent, but it would match what some have said here that theirs started as one thing and then other tones/sounds come along later.

You'd obviously not know that Lenire, or the other forthcoming devices, prevented a new sound, thus the benefit being "hidden." I've read through most of the pages of this thread but can't recall if anyone proposed this theory.

I've had a hard time stopping myself from being worried about my own tinnitus "evolving" and now I'm possibly seeing it happen to my dad.

 

[F-u-T]

This is the kind of thing I was hoping to hear around now when I booked my appointment. Not to soapbox but flying is the single most polluting thing people do in the industrialized world, especially considering that most of it is purely for recreational purposes.

I think we will be waiting a lot longer for Lenire to hit the US market. I would be shocked to see it before 2021.

 

[AfroSnowman]

Let's just say that from my state driving to New York would literally be an impossibility.

Hawaii?

 

[Heinrich_S7]

I think we will be waiting a lot longer for Lenire to hit the US market. I would be shocked to see it before 2021.

Nah, it's not going to take that long. No way in hell would they give their competitors a year head-start while they sit on a goldmine first ever treatment.

Now that it's released, mock ups and copycats can also prop up if Neuromod don't get a move on.

 

[hans799]

I try and not vary the time of treatment, as per Neuromod's instructions

Hm, so the instruction is to do the treatment at the same time of day every day?

Makes sense, but this requires careful planning in advance.

 

[Agrajag364]

If so, let's hope they stick to the same price structure they have for Ireland! The Tinnitus Clinic has crazy prices for their other 'treatments'.

Agree, plus the Tinnitus Clinic are bastards for selling treatments that mostly don't work to desperate patients.

 

[Sytex75]

Nah, it's not going to take that long. No way in hell would they give their competitors a year head-start while they sit on a goldmine first ever treatment.

Now that it's released, mock ups and copycats can also prop up if Neuromod don't get a move on.

Like you stated, I'm sure the University of Michigan and University of Minnesota do not want to be behind the eight ball on FDA approval and be second or third tier with their devices.

 

[Cojackb]

Does anyone know how they study for long term "negative" side effects of something like neuromodulation?

I'm very curious as to how they deem a treatment like this as safe, considering how new the studies are. I'm not a doctor or scientist so it could be that something like neuromodulation just doesn't contain any factors that could be deemed a "risk" against long term use. Still, it's interesting!

 

[Harley]

Agree, plus the Tinnitus Clinic are bastards for selling treatments that mostly don't work to desperate patients.

Seeing how much they are charging for treating the effect and not the cause, just imagine what will happen if these predatory bastards get their hands on technology that is actually targeting Tinnitus, instead of your "bad attitude".
If anything, I would expect their prices to quadruple.

 

[DaveFromChicago]

Good points, Sytex75, Agrajag364, Heinrich_S7:

If a useless $5.269.00 "therapy" such as Desyncra can easily get FDA Approval, then it should be just as easy for these Neuromod devices to secure approval.

I have been seeing my audiologist for years, and she is aware of my real interest in getting (especially Susan Shore's) Neuromod-type device ASAP; her facility is somewhat near the Chicago area.

This audiology group is very reputable and they would be the first in my area to be notified of its availability.

Could I actually be using this (or even be finished with it) at this time next year? This is the only real hope I have.

I'm also concerned about what the local American price will be.
Let's hope that it is not jacked up like the previous ACRN "therapies."

 

[Fifth Business]

I try my best to do nothing during the treatment, but it's very hard, given that it's ridiculously tedious. I often reach for my phone to check this thread or end up on Facebook. I'd say I successfully ignore my phone and do nothing for about half of each session if I'm honest.

Its weird. It seems you need to actively focus on the tones being played during each session? Suppose reading a book is not advised...

 

[Agrajag364]

Seeing how much they are charging for treating the effect and not the cause, just imagine what will happen if they get their hands on technology that is actually targeting Tinnitus, instead of your "bad attitude".
If anything, I would expect their prices to quadruple.

I think they don't just offer TRT but also Levo and ACRN which don't seem to have a great reputation for helping people. I could be wrong, maybe those two treatments have helped some, but you don't really see people reporting that. I'm also going by an audiologist who told me these things just don't work even though he was connected to a clinic that sold one of them (not the Tinnitus Clinic).

It's already looking like Lenire is working for at least some, so yes I'm sure the Tinnitus Clinic would love to sell it!

 

[ruud1boy]

Hm, so the instruction is to do the treatment at the same time of day every day? Makes sense, but this requires careful planning in advance.

They said you should try to do it at the same time each day, but that is difficult to stick to. I get up half an hour earlier than normal to do a session first thing, otherwise I just wouldn't be able to fit them both in, with commuting / working / family / living. However, I'm not getting up at daft o'clock on weekends.

I've just had my 3 week check-up phone call w/ Neuromod and they didn't seem overly bothered about the variations in my treatment sessions. I think it'd be good to stick to set times, but it's not essential.

 

[ruud1boy]

Its weird. It seems you need to actively focus on the tones being played during each session? Suppose reading a book is not advised...

They haven't said that to me. They advised you should do as little as possible - 'zone out' was the phrase used - but they certainly didn't say anything about focusing on the sounds being presented. I asked if reading a book would be OK and they said that was fine. I tend to read the news or play a game on my phone - the book I'm reading is a bit heavy going!

 

[Paulmanlike]

Can't wait to see if Lenire works. If enough positive testimonials come in from long-term members I will be buying one! It's about time the tinnitus community got some good news!! I really miss @Aaron123 and @attheedgeofscience and wonder what they think of it.

 

[EDDTEKK]

I am still waiting for reports from severe cases...

 

[GlennS]

Like you stated, I'm sure the University of Michigan and University of Minnesota do not want to be behind the eight ball on FDA approval and be second or third tier with their devices.

I don't get the sense Susan Shore is quaking in her boots.

 

[JohnAdams]

I don't get the sense Susan Shore is quaking in her boots.

More like Susan Snore.

 

[ajc]

I am still waiting for reports from severe cases...

Someone with suicidal level tinnitus needs to try Lenire ASAP!

 

[hans799]

I get up half an hour earlier than normal to do a session first thing, otherwise I just wouldn't be able to fit them both in

Yup, that's the best I could come up with, too. Bit of a bummer but if my tinnitus improves the years-long waiting, the spent euros, the getting up at 5:30 etc will all be so worth it.

 

[Sytex75]

I don't get the sense Susan Shore is quaking in her boots.

What I'm saying is I think she would want her device to get FDA approved here before Lenire gets FDA approval here. She can play the waiting game to see if the Lenire is effective but... To The Victor Comes The Spoils.

 

[Stakovic]

How many people have responded positively to the treatment in this forum?

 

[Lynny]

Besides, my tinnitus goes away at night now so there is no need.

It goes away? That's so awesome! Wish I had that

 

[ChrisBoyMonkey]

What I'm saying is I think she would want her device to get FDA approved here before Lenire gets FDA approval here. She can play the waiting game to see if the Lenire is effective but... To The Victor Comes The Spoils.

Personally I would prefer that too. Her device comes from over 15 years she has spent researching this damn disease, and so far there has been no worsening of symptoms.

She has said her device is under investigation, but she also said it wouldn't be in the market within the next (now) 10 months. I may be over speculating, but I'm thinking the fact that she said that exactly she's thinking it might be commercialized sometimes in the second half of next year (2020).

If Lenire does hit the U.S. first, I'm still gonna continue going for it. I've signed up to fly over to to Ireland to get it since it's not available anywhere else yet, but they haven't gotten back to me with a date yet. I don't think using Lenire will disqualify you from her device, she didn't comment on that when I asked her though, she just said as an academic researcher she can't say much on it.

 

[Heinrich_S7]

What I'm saying is I think she would want her device to get FDA approved here before Lenire gets FDA approval here. She can play the waiting game to see if the Lenire is effective but... To The Victor Comes The Spoils.

Exactly, Lenire coming to the United States will put pressure on the Michigan and Minnesota teams.

They might not show it now, but when Lenire does arrive and people are getting treated, I think we can expect Hubert Lim and Dr. Susan Shore spring into action.

If this is tinnitus's first REAL treatment, it's a goldmine. Plain and simple.

 

[GlennS]

I think we can expect Hubert Lim and Dr. Susan Shore spring into action.

Isn't Hubert Lim working exclusively through Neuromod now?

 

[Heinrich_S7]

Isn't Hubert Lim working exclusively through Neuromod now?

I believe it was a temporary contract, was it not? He was only with them for a year. I believe now he's back in Minnesota working on his own device again.

 

[ChrisBoyMonkey]

Isn't Hubert Lim working exclusively through Neuromod now?

It's a limited contract. He'll be going back to the University of Minnesota after it's up. I don't think he'll be racing to get his treatment out though.

 

[JohnAdams]

It goes away? That's so awesome! Wish I had that

It didn't start out like that.