Where are these 100 people who bought the MuteButton device back in 2015? Because as I understand they haven't enhanced the device since 2015, they just took it off the market because of organizing the clinical trials?
Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod
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Member- May 24, 2017
- 1,622
- Tinnitus Since
- 05/2017 (H since 06/2017)
- Cause of Tinnitus
- long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
- Jul 8, 2017
- 711
- Tinnitus Since
- 6/2017
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Neck/Jaw misalignment
On my good days my THI score would be around 15-20 and I have good days 50% of the time. Like I said on the worse days my score would be around 40.
Initially in the video that is what Ross stated, but later he stated their were able to further refine their parameters.
Agree. I think mild tinnitus is a minor problem. But it´s difficult to keep it mild all your life.
With this life experience I would be happy if Lenire made my tinnitus moderate. I could live normally.
My tinnitus fluctuates between mild, moderate, and some days severe. Mild tinnitus is much easier to live with. I'm able to relax and I feel like my old self on those days. I really do hope this can bring us both only mild days, or better yet days of no tinnitus.
I guess the severe days are spikes. I am having a very bad pattern, 2 or 3 severe days and 1 moderate day. I feel happy if I have 2 moderate days in a row.
I suppose that bimodal stimulation could eliminate those severe days. And I should accept moderate days as my "baseline".
I think we should start to gear up towards a way of independently measuring how effective Lenire has been to those that use it. They won't be under any NDA, so can freely offer their reviews.
I worry a little that this could go the way of the Laser Eye Surgery market, where all bad feedback is hidden, positively affected users get on with their lives and negatively affected users feel embarrassed and disappear.
We've moaned for that long and waited for something, I'm sure just about everyone here would be willing to fill in a questionnaire every few months and rate the device in a poll.
I'm sure we'll get some super positive reviews and some equally negative ones, but I'd like to know statistics, not just the individual anecdotal stories we've had so far.
I worry a little that this could go the way of the Laser Eye Surgery market, where all bad feedback is hidden, positively affected users get on with their lives and negatively affected users feel embarrassed and disappear.
We've moaned for that long and waited for something, I'm sure just about everyone here would be willing to fill in a questionnaire every few months and rate the device in a poll.
I'm sure we'll get some super positive reviews and some equally negative ones, but I'd like to know statistics, not just the individual anecdotal stories we've had so far.
- Dec 7, 2018
- 554
- Tinnitus Since
- 03/2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Unknown
I'm kind of similar. I have a severe day followed by one or two mild days. Sometimes it's severe then moderate then mild for a couple days. There's no rhyme or reason to it. If it stopped it from spiking that would be tremendous. My tinnitus is ultra high frequency too. It just seems to be getting higher and higher. It's an improvement from its onset when everyday was severe.
- Jan 25, 2018
- 69
- Tinnitus Since
- 2015
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Audio exposure
This last trial was not a regulated trial, right? So they can claim almost what they like in advertisements?
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No, i think this would be overkill - I don't find it to be loud at all... maybe if my ear was right next to the ball striking the club. I'm more concerned about wind noises than the ball hitting the club.
- Jan 25, 2018
- 69
- Tinnitus Since
- 2015
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Audio exposure
So they then have already got approval from EMA (EU's vesion of FDA) since they will market it now in Germany?
- Jul 8, 2017
- 711
- Tinnitus Since
- 6/2017
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Neck/Jaw misalignment
I think the THI test is sort of bogus too. Your tinnitus could be the same loudness on different days and one day you could rate your score a 45 and the next day with the same loudness you could be a 35.
- Apr 25, 2019
- 78
- Tinnitus Since
- 04/2019
- Cause of Tinnitus
- don't know, probably motorsport + headphones for last years
If I do have correct information, they did measure tinnitus loudness level after the trial was over. Someone from the trial was measured with 55 dB tinnitus after the start which went down to 38 dB afterwards and the effect was long lasting (no change in 1 year), however I don't know why Neuromod didn't publish the results in the dB dimension. Another interesting thing was that he doesn't experience tinnitus spikes anymore combined with overall improved sound perception (crying kid was unbearable before, after the trial It's only "annoying").
If the device will be spike-stopper after noise exposure in noisy events/places (for many of us this equals to getting back to normal life) and can lower the volume of tinnitus at the same time, I'm going to consider it as a huge success, because there is nothing else available for us...
We can only imagine If they can do some advancements after 12 weeks and if even better results are achievable if the device is used for longer time, or if the treatment will be repeated in the future.
Please correct me If I'm wrong, but also Dr. Susan Shore/University of Michigan carried out a trial with a device based on similar (same?) principle and there were a few people who get rid of their tinnitus afterwards as well, so I hope for general success with this treatment modality.
I don't think I've read or heard anything on that one. I only know they obtained the CE marking to sell in Europe.
- Oct 21, 2018
- 999
- Tinnitus Since
- 1997
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Ear infection
Does anyone know if this will work on 'reactive tinnitus'?
Or only 'steady state' tinnitus i.e. tinnitus that is the same tone etc and just never changes? Then again, does anyone really have tinnitus that just never changes???
Or only 'steady state' tinnitus i.e. tinnitus that is the same tone etc and just never changes? Then again, does anyone really have tinnitus that just never changes???
- May 9, 2017
- 929
- Tinnitus Since
- 2013
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Noise-induced
Haven't read the article yet, so I don't know what it's exactly about but Neuromod liked it on Twitter:
"Even more great news for early stage companies today! "Within the life science sector, Fund III will primarily focus on specialty pharmaceuticals, biotechnology and medical devices. Fountain will invest a majority of the capital in Fund III within Europe."
Fountain Healthcare raises €118m to invest in life sciences start-ups
"Even more great news for early stage companies today! "Within the life science sector, Fund III will primarily focus on specialty pharmaceuticals, biotechnology and medical devices. Fountain will invest a majority of the capital in Fund III within Europe."
Fountain Healthcare raises €118m to invest in life sciences start-ups
Spoke to my TRT specialist today. She says Neuromodulation may well work for some people, just like all the other tinnitus treatments, but not for most. She said that the improvement on the THI scale is likely due to the fact that most people's scores naturally improve over time anyway, coupled with the placebo effect of feeling that they are doing something that will improve it.
On the plus side, she had not heard of Neuromod's new trials or the fact that they are being peer reviewed. However, she does know of some people who had success with the original MuteButton.
She advised me not to waste my money.
Just wanted to share this because my confidence in Lenire is a bit shaken - especially when a professional doesn't feel it will work - and thought I should pass this along for people to consider.
I think I will still go for it though.
On the plus side, she had not heard of Neuromod's new trials or the fact that they are being peer reviewed. However, she does know of some people who had success with the original MuteButton.
She advised me not to waste my money.
Just wanted to share this because my confidence in Lenire is a bit shaken - especially when a professional doesn't feel it will work - and thought I should pass this along for people to consider.
I think I will still go for it though.
She's a TRT specialist and hasn't even heard of Neuromod's new trials, therefore, she isn't well adept in knowing what's in store with up and coming research. Don't let her deter you.
- May 7, 2015
- 1,052
- Tinnitus Since
- 29.09/2014
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Acoustic trauma using headphones
- May 24, 2017
- 1,622
- Tinnitus Since
- 05/2017 (H since 06/2017)
- Cause of Tinnitus
- long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
As skeptic as I am about Neuromod, I still wouldn't be bothered at all by a TRT specialist saying "it's not worth the money" and that it "won't work for most". Of course she's going to say that, because her job is jeopardized, if people seek out the Neuromod treatment. It's like going into McDonald's asking about what they think of Burger King's new burger... of course they are going to be dismissive of it.
It's meant as no offensive to you Tanni... Just something for you to ponder on. Don't let this TRT specialist control your decision to get or not get the device.
It's meant as no offensive to you Tanni... Just something for you to ponder on. Don't let this TRT specialist control your decision to get or not get the device.
Tanni, I would take that all with a grain of salt. I was told the same thing by an audiologist I saw who was selling CR Neuromodulation. I asked her if she had heard of Neuromod and said she hadn't and I explained how it worked and it was basically dismissed as a waste of money and that it doesn't work for everyone.
Then she went on about how CR Neuromodulation works for everyone.
Needless to say I never stepped in the door again. Sadly, a lot of professionals in the field care more about selling devices and making money than actually helping people and doing research. I am not saying this is true for all, but some.
That is my two cents anyway.
Months ago I talked about regeneration of the inner ear in the sound therapy center (I'm not going anymore). They looked at me like "that will be 100 years from now".
Don´t pay attention to them.
Neuromodulation has a chance to physically attack the symptom. It is not a "training" of perception. It's worth a try.
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