Interesting that one person bought the device but did not use it.Hello El Buzz,
We only have 17 completed 12 week surveys to date, which is a pretty small sample and any results would not be very reliable.
However, we do have information on dropout rates, which might be of use at this stage.
We had 24 who signed-up and who should have completed by now. However, only 17 have got to the 12 week stage.
Here is the breakdown:
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PeterPan
It all worked out very well. I'm back in Germany now.So how did your trip work out?
May I ask you what hotel did you choose? I'm thinking about taking a hotel near the clinic or near the airport? Recommendations in general are welcome (I forgot to bookmark the postings regarding this subject in this thread
No, it means they have completed the 12 weeks and completed the survey at the conclusion of the 12 weeks.With *completed successfully* I understand it refers to patients that have completed the treatment with improvement?
I don't think the report is going to show anything dramatically different from what can be gleaned by reading through the thread and sort of mentally crunching the numbers. I mean, are there really that many participants who are reporting privately and not in that thread? The broad strokes are pretty easy to discern.With all due respect, Peter, I think you could give us a preview on how things are starting to look like about the data you are harvesting.
Hi Peter,Hello El Buzz,
We only have 17 completed 12 week surveys to date, which is a pretty small sample and any results would not be very reliable.
However, we do have information on dropout rates, which might be of use at this stage.
We had 24 who signed-up and who should have completed by now. However, only 17 have got to the 12 week stage.
Here is the breakdown:
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PeterPan
I don't think it's interpretable in 2 ways, although I get what you're trying to say. The sum has to be 24, so it would be 4 dropping out in total, of which 2 before the 6 week mark, and 2 after the 6 week but before the 12 week mark.Hi Peter,
Just to clarify, did 4 people total drop out due to adverse reactions or 2 people total (could be interpreted either way)?
Thanks,
Jack
I figured it's worth asking since adverse reactions is such an important consideration, but if the total numbers add up to 24 then I'm sure you're right.I don't think it's interpretable in 2 ways, although I get what you're trying to say. The sum has to be 24, so it would be 4 dropping out in total, of which 2 before the 6 week mark, and 2 after the 6 week but before the 12 week mark.
My tinnitus got a lot worse about 18 months ago. All I can say is you somehow adapt over time. Don't write yourself off yet.During the initial 12 weeks of treatment my tinnitus went up and introduced a new frequency, so now I have 2 tones in the left ear and 1 in the right ear.
Neuromod then reprogrammed the device and the resulting next 12 weeks is that my tinnitus is through the roof, to a point that it is waking me up during the night and totally disrupted my sleep.
I am now so desperate that I am on antidepressants and don't want to say where my thoughts have taken me to, but you can probably guess. And all for €2k plus cost of flights etc just to be used as a lab rat to further their data gathering.
They want me to come back for another reprogramming and as you can imagine the thought of it ramping up even further scares the life out of me.
My life is now ruined.
Dude, not the time.My tinnitus got a lot worse about 18 months ago. All I can say is you somehow adapt over time. Don't write yourself off yet.
May well be able to cope further along the road.
I'm in roughly the same MML ball park as you. I think one of the differences in reporting between severe and mild tinnitus with this treatment is that with mild tinnitus being a bit quieter you get silence. For me my tinnitus is a bit quieter but it is still there, just a bit easier to bear.@hans799 has mild tinnitus, MML 10 dB if I'm right. He's happy with Lenire.
Mine's 6x that MML. Lenire certainly looks good for mild/placebo level results.
The recent bad feedback makes me realize it may not be worth the risk if your tinnitus is catastrophic.
I'm sure he meant above hearing threshold and not MML. A MML of 10 dB is very very low, I wouldn't even call that tinnitus. It means it would be masked everywhere, even in quiet rooms.@hans799 has mild tinnitus, MML 10 dB if I'm right. He's happy with Lenire.
Mine's 6x that MML. Lenire certainly looks good for mild/placebo level results.
The recent bad feedback makes me realize it may not be worth the risk if your tinnitus is catastrophic.
Isn't MML also above hearing threshold? Mine was expressed in dB SL. And my tinnitus match also. Since, I've read up on it a bit and it seems the protocol is to establish a loudness match by presenting a tone at 1kHz.I'm sure he meant above hearing threshold and not MML. A MML of 10 dB is very very low, I wouldn't even call that tinnitus. It means it would be masked everywhere, even in quiet rooms.
And 60 dB is quite bad but I wouldn't call that catastrophic.
One of the main reasons why THI is usually the primary outcome in tinnitus trials.What's the purpose of matching and masking if there's no standards to abide by?
I don't know how the MML is measured but I'm sure it is completely different than dB SL. I think that dB SL is measured by matching your tinnitus with the same frequency sound. Then you subtract the intensity of this sound from the hearing Threshold. db SL is in most cases below 15 dB.Isn't MML also above hearing threshold? Mine was expressed in dB SL. And my tinnitus match also. Since, I've read up on it a bit and it seems the protocol is to establish a loudness match by presenting a tone at 1kHz.
Mine was done with a narrowband noise around 8000Hz... But because I don't have hearing loss at 8000Hz maybe it's as good? This was not at Neuromod but in my local hospital though.
What's the purpose of matching and masking if there's no standards to abide by?
As you can see on the picture it is both in dB SL in my case. Is that a mistake? I know I read somewhere that a loudness match at the tinnitus frequency will yield lower dB results because of the likely higher hearing threshold due to hearing loss in that region. It also falsely suggests that the sound the patients hears is a quiet sound. I read most people are below 15 or 10 dB SL, but using what method? Mine is 20dB SL, but measured from part of my hearing where my threshold is 0 or even -5dB.I don't know how the MML is measured but I'm sure it is completely different than dB SL. I think that dB SL is measured by matching your tinnitus with the same frequency sound. Then you subtract the intensity of this sound from the hearing Threshold. db SL is in most cases below 15 dB.
Which is arguably even worse. Have a loudness match at 1kHz or another part of the hearing which is unaffected by hearing loss. That would somehow level the playing field in my opinion.One of the main reasons why THI is usually the primary outcome in tinnitus trials.
Mine is 15 dB SL but it was once measured at 5 dB SL and it didn't seem much lower than usual.As you can see on the picture it is both in dB SL in my case. Is that a mistake? I know I read somewhere that a loudness match at the tinnitus frequency will yield lower dB results because of the likely higher hearing threshold due to hearing loss in that region. It also falsely suggests that the sound the patients hears is a quiet sound. I read most people are below 15 or 10 dB SL, but using what method? Mine is 20dB SL, but measured from part of my hearing where my threshold is 0 or even -5dB.
My tinnitus is bad, but that bad?
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I immediately debunked that.There are only the preliminary stats run by @threefirefour that seem to say it helped 70% of people.
I think so. I tend not to hear it when there's running water or a shower or when cooking (frying) or when there's crickets. But I hear it in the car, over TV, conversation, outdoors.Mine is 15 dB SL but it was once measured at 5 dB SL and it didn't seem much lower than usual.
For me, they just matched my tinnitus with the same sound (or at least the pitch that sounded the same).
20 dB SL is loud, can you mask it?
Except you didn't. You posted bad stats and people immediately dunked on your poor methodology.I immediately debunked that.
Sure - if by debunked you mean rejected user reviews reporting improvements.I immediately debunked that.
The way things have emerged since, I'd say my analysis is far closer to the truth.Sure - if by debunked you mean rejected user reviews reporting improvements.
Everyone else's predictions have been keeping up with recent developments and yours still isn't even remotely close.The way things have emerged since, I'd say my analysis is far closer to the truth.