Marijuana / Cannabis and Tinnitus

[1MW]

mj worsening for me.
before got T i have got mj many many times without any problem.
i got t 4 years after got last time mj so my t is not from mj

 

[linearb]

mj worsening for me.
before got T i have got mj many many times without any problem.
i got t 4 years after got last time mj so my t is not from mj

for me (and I've read others say the same) -- if you can just sort of bullishly push through the "ahh, it makes my T louder/more noticeable!" feelings a bit, you may actually find that it makes the T quieter/less noticeable over time.

 

[Terra4me]

n mid summer of 2014 I was struck suddenly with an extreme case of vertigo with Tinnitus that left me hospitalized for a week. I couldn't walk. sit or lay down without the spinning and noise in my left ear. I was prescribed pills, and told to do the epley's manuever for the BPPV (vertigo); and told there was nothing that could stop the ringing. After several months of feeling sick from pills and symptoms, doctors changing dosages and drugs - I just asked them to wean me off of all pills.
I was ok for a short period of time but it came back with a vengeance at Christmas. I was visiting my girlfriend who was battling breast cancer. She offered me information on cannabis strains and differences in effectiveness for things like nausea, dizziness, anxiety and other chemo related symptoms that mirrored my symptoms. I found that the Indica strain of cannabis is used specifically for the above mentioned symptoms and treatment. I watched her make edibles (foods cooked with a cannabutter, canna -oil or tincture). She made chocolate truffles. I ate a small piece of her truffle and in about an hour, I became what I never experiences as a teenager - high but not stupid silly high. I felt so good I fell into a deep sleep without any ringing. My nausea disappeared and when I woke up I had absolutely no symptoms - NONE! I was no longer dizzy, nauseated or tormented by the ringing in my ears; as an added bonus, every bone in my body felt as if I was back in my twenties and ready to run a 5k! It works. Plain and simple fact is, if you are going to try to medicate - educate first. There is so much more to medical marijuana than just vaporizing or smoking. The cannabidiols (CBD's) are the key and the right concentration from the correct strain or hybrid strain. Used properly and for the right reason - they work. I treat as needed at bedtime and wake up with NO lingering effect, fogginess or "high". It works it's magic while I sleep and sleep well indeed! Do your research and educate yourselves. Check with the Mayo Clinic website, your local cancer center, read testimonials and scientific data alike. Don't worry about the "Anti-drug" fanaticals out here. Skepticism abounds but knowledge is your best defense for cure. You could not have found a stronger opponent of marijuana use than me I can assure you. I protected my children from the lure of recreational use and frowned upon it even when my own parents were dying from cancer and now look back with a tinge of guilt and pain for my sharp remarks. I wish I would have been more supportive toward the use then, but I now know this truly can cure many issues and for the terminally ill, this could be a Godsend. Good luck to everyone suffering.

 

[1MW]

I must clarify that i tested cannabis with very pure THC not CBD
in my place there is not medical cannabis with CBD is full THC and has psychoactive properties.
For example with this cannabis i have used i had extreme psychoactive effects of THC ( paraesthesias - extreme loud T 20/10) after cannabis wear off off i slept for 13 hours continually and wake up with muffed hearing and no T but 90% off times i will sleep for 13 hours i wake up with no T.
Is pure cannabis sativa and the trees is from 3 to 6 meters tall full THC.
Where can i find medical cannabis with only CBD ?
I want it for sleep to cut off benzos. Because of lack THC i think it is legal can i buy it online ?

 

[SoulStation]

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pot doesn't do much for my ringing, but it definitely solves the problem of not being stoned enough. Any time I find myself thinking "ahhh I am thinking too clearly and accomplishing too many things in parallel, I need to slow down and be less efficient and also see more pictures of multicolored fractal insects marching through my mind!", weed solves that, like, perfectly.

That is hilarious. Lmao.

 

[linearb]

I must clarify that i tested cannabis with very pure THC not CBD
in my place there is not medical cannabis with CBD is full THC and has psychoactive properties.
For example with this cannabis i have used i had extreme psychoactive effects of THC ( paraesthesias - extreme loud T 20/10) after cannabis wear off off i slept for 13 hours continually and wake up with muffed hearing and no T but 90% off times i will sleep for 13 hours i wake up with no T.
Is pure cannabis sativa and the trees is from 3 to 6 meters tall full THC.
Where can i find medical cannabis with only CBD ?
I want it for sleep to cut off benzos. Because of lack THC i think it is legal can i buy it online ?

You probably don't want CBD only. CBD is an antagonist; indica strains are CBD dominant but still have THC.

My experience with pure CBD products is that they don't do much.

 

[Raindance74]

Except that it's not. Chewed coca leaves are much more comparable to a cup of coffee than a line of blow. Raw poppies are certainly much more fiendishly addictive, but there are a whole bunch of things that prevent them from being nearly as problematic as heroin.

Good point, I agree.

 

[linearb]

Unsubstantiated, paranoid conjecture: bong rips could be bad for delicate inner ear structures because of the suction force they create in the sinuses!

 

[Bilgato]

Unsubstantiated, paranoid conjecture: bong rips could be bad for delicate inner ear structures because of the suction force they create in the sinuses!

Or from trying to hold it in while trying not to cough, that can put a great strain on your body.

 

[Brianna]

CNN recently aired a special on medical marijuana.

It was quite remarkable to see persons with very serious medical conditions helped greatly by marijuana use.

I definitely support medical marijuana.

Is there anyone who posts here who has had a positive experience with marijuana for their tinnitus?

Uh, yes, I tentatively wrote. I've used it to allow me to relax enough to sleep despite the noise. I stopped a while ago due to the cost and why I'm up in the wee hours of the morn too often. The problem is in states where it is not legal, you really don't know what you're getting. It's a pot shot.

The stuff with more THC allowed me to change my focus. The noise was still loud but I didn't care as much but the CBD felt like it dampened the sound and that's what I ultimately wanted.

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Someone wanted it in pill form joking or not, doesn't matter. There's (or was) a synthetic form called marinol. My mom had a prescription for it when she had lung cancer. I have no idea what it was (chemically) or did. All I know was how much she hated it.

 

[linearb]

Uh, yes, I tentatively wrote. I've used it to allow me to relax enough to sleep despite the noise. I stopped a while ago due to the cost and why I'm up in the wee hours of the morn too often. The problem is in states where it is not legal, you really don't know what you're getting. It's a pot shot.

Yeah... the odds of marijuana being adulterated with other drugs are pretty low, especially if you're buying it from middle/upper class people. But, pot has dozens of different chemicals in them, the important ones we know about seem to be THC, CBD, CBN and some terpanes. Different strains (and even different plants of the same strain) will have significant differences in the ratios of these drugs, and so they can have a very different effect.

Someone wanted it in pill form joking or not, doesn't matter. There's (or was) a synthetic form called marinol. My mom had a prescription for it when she had lung cancer. I have no idea what it was (chemically) or did. All I know was how much she hated it.

Marinol is synthetic THC without any of the other drugs in weed. What we've found out from marinol, mostly, is that THC is not very useful medically by itself, and it definitely is not as enjoyable as weed.

 

[Brianna]

Yeah... the odds of marijuana being adulterated with other drugs are pretty low, especially if you're buying it from middle/upper class people. But, pot has dozens of different chemicals in them, the important ones we know about seem to be THC, CBD, CBN and some terpanes. Different strains (and even different plants of the same strain) will have significant differences in the ratios of these drugs, and so they can have a very different effect.


Marinol is synthetic THC without any of the other drugs in weed. What we've found out from marinol, mostly, is that THC is not very useful medically by itself, and it definitely is not as enjoyable as weed.

Now I'm being further educated about weed. Thanks . I'll look up terpanes. I was corrected about the last stuff I had. It had more CBD with some THC (and probably all the other things you mention). It provided the most relief.

Okay, I read about terpanes and Kush is what the stuff was called that was the most effective. I thought it was just a fake name given.

I understand why my mom disliked marinol so much.

 

[linearb]

Personally I find high THC strains hard to tolerate, I've been smoking for a long time, almost longer than I haven't at this point, but I can still get unreasonably anxious after high-THC stuff, and I also think it can stress the cardio system. One study I saw concluded that elderly people who smoke weed and go on to die of heart attacks, are significantly more likely to experience the attack within an hour of smoking, and that makes sense to me because I have clocked my heart at 180bpm from smoking high-THC weed (which is very near my absolute high-end bpm during extremely strenuous exertion).

 

[ruben ruiz]

Has anyone tried THC/CBD oil for sleep?

 

[linearb]

Has anyone tried THC/CBD oil for sleep?

I've tried all sorts of thc/cbd products for sleep. They work

 

[ruben ruiz]

cannabinoid drugs might be useful in the treatment of tinnitus.

Previous studies in animals and humans have shown that, in some cases at least, anti-epileptic drugs can reduce the severity of tinnitus. Given that cannabinoid receptor agonists have been shown to exert anti-epileptic effects in some circumstances, we investigated whether two synthetic CB(1)/CB(2) receptor agonists, WIN55,212-2, and CP55,940, could inhibit the behavioral manifestations of salicylate-induced tinnitus in rats in a conditioned suppression task. We found that neither WIN55, 212-2 (3.0 mg/kg s.c) nor CP55, 940 (0.1 or 0.3 mg/kg s.c), significantly reduced conditioned behavior associated with tinnitus. However, both 3 mg/kg WIN55, 212-2 and 0.3 mg/kg CP55, 940 did significantly increase tinnitus-related behavior compared to the vehicle control groups. These results suggest that cannabinoid receptor agonists may not be useful in the treatment of salicylate-induced tinnitus and that at certain doses; they could actually exacerbate the condition.
Cannabinoid CB1 receptors have not been systematically investigated in the brainstem cochlear nucleus, nor have they been investigated in relation to tinnitus. Using immunohistochemistry and cell counting, we showed that a large number of neurons in the rat cochlear nucleus possess cannabinoid CB1 receptors. Following salicylate injections that induced the behavioral manifestations of tinnitus, the number of principal neurons in the ventral cochlear nucleus expressing CB1 receptors significantly decreased, while the number of CB1-positive principal neurons in the dorsal cochlear nucleus did not change significantly. These results suggest that CB1 receptors in the cochlear nucleus may be important for auditory function and that a down-regulation of CB1 receptors in the ventral cochlear nucleus may be related to the development of tinnitus.
One of the most important uses of cannabis is as a substitute for other, more dangerous or costly pharmaceutical drugs.
Many patients report substantial reductions in use of narcotics, non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, anti-depressants, tranquilizers, sleeping pills and other drugs once they started using cannabis medicine.
CBD is an anticonvulsant.
Cannabis is powerful medicine for mixed syndromes.


Use Indica's with high CBD levels.
Use Indica dominant hybrid with high CBD levels.

 

[Danny Boy]

cannabinoid drugs might be useful in the treatment of tinnitus.

Previous studies in animals and humans have shown that, in some cases at least, anti-epileptic drugs can reduce the severity of tinnitus. Given that cannabinoid receptor agonists have been shown to exert anti-epileptic effects in some circumstances, we investigated whether two synthetic CB(1)/CB(2) receptor agonists, WIN55,212-2, and CP55,940, could inhibit the behavioral manifestations of salicylate-induced tinnitus in rats in a conditioned suppression task. We found that neither WIN55, 212-2 (3.0 mg/kg s.c) nor CP55, 940 (0.1 or 0.3 mg/kg s.c), significantly reduced conditioned behavior associated with tinnitus. However, both 3 mg/kg WIN55, 212-2 and 0.3 mg/kg CP55, 940 did significantly increase tinnitus-related behavior compared to the vehicle control groups. These results suggest that cannabinoid receptor agonists may not be useful in the treatment of salicylate-induced tinnitus and that at certain doses; they could actually exacerbate the condition.
Cannabinoid CB1 receptors have not been systematically investigated in the brainstem cochlear nucleus, nor have they been investigated in relation to tinnitus. Using immunohistochemistry and cell counting, we showed that a large number of neurons in the rat cochlear nucleus possess cannabinoid CB1 receptors. Following salicylate injections that induced the behavioral manifestations of tinnitus, the number of principal neurons in the ventral cochlear nucleus expressing CB1 receptors significantly decreased, while the number of CB1-positive principal neurons in the dorsal cochlear nucleus did not change significantly. These results suggest that CB1 receptors in the cochlear nucleus may be important for auditory function and that a down-regulation of CB1 receptors in the ventral cochlear nucleus may be related to the development of tinnitus.
One of the most important uses of cannabis is as a substitute for other, more dangerous or costly pharmaceutical drugs.
Many patients report substantial reductions in use of narcotics, non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, anti-depressants, tranquilizers, sleeping pills and other drugs once they started using cannabis medicine.
CBD is an anticonvulsant.
Cannabis is powerful medicine for mixed syndromes.


Use Indica's with high CBD levels.
Use Indica dominant hybrid with high CBD levels.

Well, has this worked for anyone?

 

[ruben ruiz]

They are finding medical uses for the weed! I believe its not a good thing to smoke for T. But if you eat it it relaxes your body its much better. I also think that CBDs are good for a variety of problems. If you find an active ingredient that lowers depression or anxiety without addiction Hallelujah!

Its better to eat or vaporize rather than smoke! What is it with earthless. She ever heard of alcoholism?

 

[Kopesy]

@ruben ruiz
Vaporize all the way! Nice clean hits, almost tastes healthy ^_^

 

[Brianna]

I agree vaporizing is the way to go. But, in non-legal states all of this becomes pretty mute. In non-legal states, it's a shot at what you're getting. The people do not know what they're selling. I like the more balanced CBD with a slightly higher bit of THC. In any event, while I stopped taking aspirin and less of another ototoxic drug, quality of life is my issue. I also don't know what environmental factors hit my T. I don't take it often until I feel like screaming then I will either plan on a deadhead day (today) and not use it or use it to fall back to very disruptive sleep.

 

[Danny Boy]

I agree vaporizing is the way to go. But, in non-legal states all of this becomes pretty mute. In non-legal states, it's a shot at what you're getting. The people do not know what they're selling. I like the more balanced CBD with a slightly higher bit of THC. In any event, while I stopped taking aspirin and less of another ototoxic drug, quality of life is my issue. I also don't know what environmental factors hit my T. I don't take it often until I feel like screaming then I will either plan on a deadhead day (today) and not use it or use it to fall back to very disruptive sleep.

Does this really work for tinnitus? Does MDMA work?

 

[Brianna]

Does this really work for tinnitus? Does MDMA work?

Danny Boy: All bodies are different (my mantra). What works for me may not work for you. I'm also in a state (not of mind ) where it's not controlled and I don't know what I'm getting. The person said recently, "I'm not a pharmacist, use your intuition." I know based on my reaction to it that a balance of CBD with a slightly higher THC concentration allows me to know the T is there (I used it to chill out when my T will be worse and that's when I take off my implant) and not be totally focused on it. I'm taking it in a very controlled way, so I don't abuse it (too expensive to do that). I don't take it every night or early morn. I rarely (change up in my routine) take it as I'm ready to fall asleep amidst the roar of noise. Rather, I use it when I wake up @3 or 4 a.m. with a hit and not every day (!) and this allows me to fall asleep.

People will differ here. Some folks have found the CBD component (used for body issues/pain) doesn't help. I personally like it with the slight boost to distract me with THC.

I looked up MDMA and it was hairy scary enough for me to know I've never tried it and have no intention of doing so. I'd rather put a lidocaine patch on my nose because it's safer and definitely a bigger distraction. For that matter, I think taping cardboard on my nose might also work - it's a distraction. I'm not diminishing your question - it's my opinion only . The fact that MDMA has a stimulant in it is useless to me since my focus is on sleeping . One website compared MDMA's makeup to the hallucinogenic mescaline with a stimulant. Mescaline I can probably handle (I just don't know what it would do to my brain these days). The stimulant component isn't my bag. So, it seems like this allows the hallucinatory effect of mescaline to kick in and it keeps you awake to enjoy it if that's your thing.

To you, I'll say that you don't know unless you try it. Can it mess you up more than "we" already are? That hasn't happened to me ... yet.

 

[Danny Boy]

Danny Boy: All bodies are different (my mantra). What works for me may not work for you. I'm also in a state (not of mind ) where it's not controlled and I don't know what I'm getting. The person said recently, "I'm not a pharmacist, use your intuition." I know based on my reaction to it that a balance of CBD with a slightly higher THC concentration allows me to know the T is there (I used it to chill out when my T will be worse and that's when I take off my implant) and not be totally focused on it. I'm taking it in a very controlled way, so I don't abuse it (too expensive to do that). I don't take it every night or early morn. I rarely (change up in my routine) take it as I'm ready to fall asleep amidst the roar of noise. Rather, I use it when I wake up @3 or 4 a.m. with a hit and not every day (!) and this allows me to fall asleep.

People will differ here. Some folks have found the CBD component (used for body issues/pain) doesn't help. I personally like it with the slight boost to distract me with THC.

I looked up MDMA and it was hairy scary enough for me to know I've never tried it and have no intention of doing so. I'd rather put a lidocaine patch on my nose because it's safer and definitely a bigger distraction. For that matter, I think taping cardboard on my nose might also work - it's a distraction. I'm not diminishing your question - it's my opinion only . The fact that MDMA has a stimulant in it is useless to me since my focus is on sleeping . One website compared MDMA's makeup to the hallucinogenic mescaline with a stimulant. Mescaline I can probably handle (I just don't know what it would do to my brain these days). The stimulant component isn't my bag. So, it seems like this allows the hallucinatory effect of mescaline to kick in and it keeps you awake to enjoy it if that's your thing.

To you, I'll say that you don't know unless you try it. Can it mess you up more than "we" already are? That hasn't happened to me ... yet.

Guess I'll have to stick to trobalt and keppra for the time being then.

 

[Brianna]

Guess I'll have to stick to trobalt and keppra for the time being then.

You've mentioned both before and for you, it sounds like a smart move . If I ever really understand what they are, I'll likely give them a try.

 

[Danny Boy]

You've mentioned both before and for you, it sounds like a smart move . If I ever really understand what they are, I'll likely give them a try.

Potassium channel modulators work by reducing the hyperactive neurons. So basically, they can reduce the excitability of these nerurons and Autifony's drug can repolarize the state of these neurons, effectively putting a break on the hyperactivity and restoring them to their normal state.

 

[Brianna]

Potassium channel modulators work by reducing the hyperactive neurons. So basically, they can reduce the excitability of these nerurons and Autifony's drug can repolarize the state of these neurons, effectively putting a break on the hyperactivity and restoring them to their normal state.

That explains a couple of things I read from sakrt. It also explains why (I think) the right chemicals in pot would work. You state specifically "... they can reduce the excitability of these neurons ..." DOES Autifony's drug work for you? (Anyone who has stock in Pfizer should not respond to the efficacy of Autifony and the efficacy on one subject is what interests me and what I'm asking Mr. Danny Boy.)

 

[Danny Boy]

That explains a couple of things I read from sakrt. It also explains why (I think) the right chemicals in pot would work. You state specifically "... they can reduce the excitability of these neurons ..." DOES Autifony's drug work for you? (Anyone who has stock in Pfizer should not respond to the efficacy of Autifony and the efficacy on one subject is what interests me and what I'm asking Mr. Danny Boy.)

I've not tried Autifony's drug, it's just how these modulators work.

 

[object16]

Dose adjustment: I am posting follow up, 3 months of cannabis edible. I have discovered the edible must be dosed properly, I use a scale that goes to 0.01 gram. My cannabis is in chocolate chips/margarine mixture and this dilutes it 10:1 so when I measure 3g that translates to 0.3g cannabis. My cannabis is approx 10% cannabinoid, so multiply by .1 now gives 0.03 or 30mg cannabinoid. my edible is 50:50 THC:CBN so now I know I am taking 15mg THC and 15mg CBN. within 1-2hr, this results in a strong sedative effect (you cannot resist falling asleep) and normally that will put me out for 10 hours of good sleep.

 

[linearb]

To you, I'll say that you don't know unless you try it. Can it mess you up more than "we" already are? That hasn't happened to me ... yet.

It's hard to say. There certainly is evidence that CB receptor downregulation in the DCN is directly involved in the generation of the tinnitus signal, and it's not hard to find anecdotes of people who believe they developed tinnitus either as a result of excessive pot use, or after cessation of pot intake after a period of use. Brains and drugs are very complicated, I don't think anything is by any means perfectly safe, but at a glance marijuana appears to be significantly less hazardous than the benzodiazepines and seizure drugs which are frequently doled out to tinnitus patients.

I have tried high-THC, mixed, CBD-dominent and CBD-only products. All of them create a temporary increase in my tinnitus. The latter two also significantly make it easier to go to sleep. So, short to mid term, I think certain kinds of pot can help with insomnia, which can be useful if that's a big problem for you. Caution should be used, however, because constant intake of cannabis over an extended period of time has been pretty conclusively demonstrated to wreak havoc on REM sleep and on sleep quality in general... and my own experience was that using too much weed and they trying to stop, always results in two to three weeks of absolutely wretched insomnia.

 

[Brianna]

It's hard to say. There certainly is evidence that CB receptor downregulation in the DCN is directly involved in the generation of the tinnitus signal, and it's not hard to find anecdotes of people who believe they developed tinnitus either as a result of excessive pot use, or after cessation of pot intake after a period of use. Brains and drugs are very complicated, I don't think anything is by any means perfectly safe, but at a glance marijuana appears to be significantly less hazardous than the benzodiazepines and seizure drugs which are frequently doled out to tinnitus patients.

I have tried high-THC, mixed, CBD-dominent and CBD-only products. All of them create a temporary increase in my tinnitus. The latter two also significantly make it easier to go to sleep. So, short to mid term, I think certain kinds of pot can help with insomnia, which can be useful if that's a big problem for you. Caution should be used, however, because constant intake of cannabis over an extended period of time has been pretty conclusively demonstrated to wreak havoc on REM sleep and on sleep quality in general... and my own experience was that using too much weed and they trying to stop, always results in two to three weeks of absolutely wretched insomnia.

I guess my question to this is ... what REM sleep? I seem to have so little of it already. Benzos are a non-issue ... seizure drugs being doled out to T patients ... not surprised. Money keeps how much I can actually smoke in check. I'll go from not sleeping well to not sleeping well. Yes, all create a spike in T but then it tones down and that's why I like the CBD-dominent more. I'll see what happens tonight or tomorrow w/no smoke. I'll report back with the result.

Thanks, linearb, for all your information.