I think most of us would be delighted with 50% decrease in volume in the hope that overtime the brain starts to enjoy chilling out a bit more and sorts the rest out for us. Or Shore comes over the hill with the big guns.
Based on Dr Shore's data, that's a reasonable expectation. There was a roughly 10 dB mean reduction of tinnitus and sound perception halves/doubles for every 10 dB decrease/increase. (Sound ENERGY halves/doubles every 3 dB but for some reason perception is a bit less sensitive.)
Yeah hold on. This is not Shore's device and she has point blank refused to be coaxed on whether or not she thinks tongue stimulation works as well as neck.
I believe the reduction during treatment was more like 8 dB (assuming we are talking about the 2018 paper and not something more recent - I haven't followed this closely), but that isn't the actual treatment effect. To find that you have to subtract off the effect of the sham treatment. The difference is the effect of the treatment itself - above and beyond the sham. That's about 4.5 dB. See here for more discussion: https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/new-university-of-michigan-tinnitus-discovery-—-signal-timing.2805/page-8#post-299011
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I'm a bit confused here. I have looked at the 2018 study again and this is what it says:
They have mentioned several times that their treatment doesn't care about of the character of the tinnitus signal.
The CEO of Neuromod said in the interview "[...] the tonality, atonality, pitch of tinnitus is not relevant to the therapy" (question 12)
No that is not at all what he means. He means simply that, it was not designed to target it. Likely because it isn't any different as far as the brain is concerned. Bi-Modal stimulation works best on people with "mechanical" or "somatic" tinnitus, because it uses the same pathway.
This keeps getting mixed up. I think we need a change in the terminology. Flexing your jaw or other movements is called somatic tinnitus, and it is not considered a mechanical form of tinnitus. Over 80% of people can modulate their tinnitus with movements.
It's a really weird thing for people to say when not having somatic tinnitus was an exclusion criteria for the first University of Michigan study. That literally screams "this technology has been designed for people who can modulate their tinnitus with muscle movements". There is a reason for that. The whole way this thing is supposed to work, is predicated on the idea that tinnitus arises when the dorsal cochlear nucleus starts to interpret data from touch-sensing neurons as sound.
Did those audiograms go all the way up to 16-18 kHz? They usually don't, and if they don't, they're literally worthless for determining if someone has "any loss" (loss starts in the upper ranges; the damage that causes my tinnitus is around 14 kHz).
This probably roughly correlates to my own experience with it. It was never gone, but it stopped interfering with music in headphones at very very low volumes. Generally I cannot tolerate headphones well at all.
Having to have somatic or not somatic tinnitus was not part of their inclusion or exclusion criteria as far as I recall. I will have to double check that.
That's literally what I'm describing and I believe based on that, UMich would have considered you a fine candidate. Hopefully that's reassuring!
I thought that Claire "the Irish miracle" had her tinnitus disappear with the MuteButton trial even though she claimed to have no measurable hearing loss.
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