MemberOnce I can legally attain and use this device in the US I will be one of the first to purchase it. I will of course keep everyone here updated on its progress.
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Thank you. I'm hoping we can get a device to a forum member in Ireland initially too.
December 3 is going to be a big day. I can't wait for the Q&A and I'm almost on my knees praying that Neuromod comes through with hard data and a convincing presentation.
This is the first time in the ~4 years or so since I've been active on tinnitus forums that a treatment is coming out that has actual science behind it. And by science I mean double-blind, placebo-controlled studies done on a significant (hundreds) number of humans, with a clinically significant beneficial effect size, for the majority of the subjects. The gold standard of evidence. Not just wild theories in tabloids saying that XY scientist had ABC idea that kinda seems to work in rats. But studies, done and concluded, and an actual commercial product.
If Neuromod keeps their word, the first batch of us might have the electrode sticking out of their mouths in just 6-8 weeks (mid to end January) and have perceptibly reduced tinnitus by Valentine's Day (Feb 14). 6-8 weeks, people! If this thing is real, the forever wait is almost over.
This is the first time in the ~4 years or so since I've been active on tinnitus forums that a treatment is coming out that has actual science behind it. And by science I mean double-blind, placebo-controlled studies done on a significant (hundreds) number of humans, with a clinically significant beneficial effect size, for the majority of the subjects. The gold standard of evidence. Not just wild theories in tabloids saying that XY scientist had ABC idea that kinda seems to work in rats. But studies, done and concluded, and an actual commercial product.
If Neuromod keeps their word, the first batch of us might have the electrode sticking out of their mouths in just 6-8 weeks (mid to end January) and have perceptibly reduced tinnitus by Valentine's Day (Feb 14). 6-8 weeks, people! If this thing is real, the forever wait is almost over.
- Dec 31, 2017
- 204
- Tinnitus Since
- Mild since 2006. Severe since 2016
- Cause of Tinnitus
- An enthusiastic youth
Adding Richard Tyler to their scientific roster has surely got to be a good sign? I've heard his name all over the tinnitus world over the last couple of years. That said, I'm reading his statement a bit too closely - he doesn't say anything about the current project, just 'looking forward to working with etc etc'.
I don't mean to burst your bubble, but their peer review won't end until about mid 2019. I don't know if that means the device won't be released before then, but I don't think it is likely.
- May 11, 2016
- 1,184
- Tinnitus Since
- 2012
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Loud music/gigs probably
I honestly don't know what the timeline is now. I have heard a dozen conflicting reports. I know for sure they want to release in 2019 and have peer review done by end of second quarter 2019.
Here's the best source I could find for January Ireland launch - quote from Markku.
@Jack Straw @Sam Bridge @PDodge
Although I'm afraid you're right about the release of the study itself. That is indeed expected only later in 2019, because the peer review process is slow.
This is only the release of the study, however; we know that the last patient completed their 12-month follow-up this summer, meaning the study was conducted in the first half of the previous year, almost 2 years ago now.
So the data is already in, and processed, they just can't release it yet. They did, however, start to put some details out there about the study (e.g. in the MuteButton prospectus Markku shared), it seems positive, and I'm hoping for more info on the Q&A.
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Haha
Although I'd gladly puke like a hungover dog if it meant a long-term reduction of tinnitus
- Oct 14, 2016
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- All my life, but got worse 2016
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- Noise induced / Concert
Good lord I don't know how I look with something like that in my mouth! It's like a retainer for adults =[
- Dec 31, 2017
- 204
- Tinnitus Since
- Mild since 2006. Severe since 2016
- Cause of Tinnitus
- An enthusiastic youth
Thank you. I guess we'll look a little funny. LOL.
Anyway I do not know if I should consider this type of bimodal stimulation treatment.
At the enclosure and device fitting visit, at physiotherapist (Dublin) or medical doctor (Regensburg) conducts to comprehensive assessment comprising a set of 25 predefined cranial manipulations designed to diagnose somatic tinnitus. We define somatic tinnitus where a patient reports that at least one of the somatic manipulations reliably produces a change in the psychoacoustic characteristics of their tinnitus (eg, in pitch, loudness, localization, temporal properties and so on)
My tinnitus is not somatic.
This is from the description of the clinical trial, right?
It is quite clear from that text that they used this information (whether you're somatic or not) to classify you into groups. Not being somatic was not a reason for exclusion. Based on currently available information I don't think we can clearly say whether this treatment is or isn't working on non-somatic sufferers. But this was one of the questions submitted for the Q&A, hopefully it made the cut and will be answered on Dec 3.
Yes. That text is from a bimodal stimulation trial that I found.
I find that Neuromod scientists do not mention the somatic component, but Susan Shore does in her research. I wonder why. They are supposed to be similar devices.
So I did some research on Neuromod and found out that they used to be sound engineering company. Based on their financials I saw that they still do some audio engineering among MuteButton device research.
Look what I found!
Apparently @Steve is going to Neuromod for other reasons besides the Q&A.
Seems like he has an album in the works with them as well!
JK!
Look what I found!
Apparently @Steve is going to Neuromod for other reasons besides the Q&A.
Seems like he has an album in the works with them as well!
JK!
- Apr 18, 2013
- 1,633
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- 2003
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Flu, Noise-induced, Jaw trauma
Damnit, I've been rumbled...So I did some research on Neuromod and found out that they used to be sound engineering company. Based on their financials I saw that they still do some audio engineering among MuteButton device research.
Look what I found!
Apparently @Steve is going to Neuromod for other reasons besides the Q&A.
Seems like he has an album in the works with them as well!
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Really love these tinnitus memes @Jack Straw! A bit of gallows humor to brighten Tinnitus Talk
FounderSteve is allowed to test a demo device today, but he's not able to bring one home with him.I hope Neuromod will offer @Steve a MuteButton today so he can try it out extensively for the next few weeks so we can trust the results to give us good reasons to buy it
Any specific reason, like the final product isn't ready yet, or he needs to tune it with an ENT or something similar you would be aware of?
I find it hard to believe doctors with a brand new solution to treat somebody who is suffering, would let him go away just after tasting a bit of the cure... bit sadistic!! Isn't that against Hippocratic oath? (just kidding,I am being sarcastic)
Really looking forward to to this Q&A, thank you guys for making that happen.
Ross O'Neill is on the rack this afternoon...! Will be interesting to hear what he has to say.
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