I asked them via email about this device 1 or 2 months ago and the ENT said "when the technology is available you can try the treatment". That's all. Ha-ha
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I asked them via email about this device 1 or 2 months ago and the ENT said "when the technology is available you can try the treatment". That's all. Ha-ha
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Original MuteButton (2015) was €2,500. Someone wrote here this time it will be €2.500-€3.500.
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Just fly to wherever you need to go to get the treatment.
That's what I'll do as soon as I find out it actually works.
- Mar 1, 2018
- 871
- Tinnitus Since
- birth/ recent spike 2/2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Born with ETD, several acoustic traumas, most recently ETD
The reason for calibration by an audiologist is such that you receive a uniform sound perception in order to help stimulate plasticity. It has nothing to do with hearing loss. Everyone on the planet has some degree of loss.About interpretations of "somatic": Well, you know more about this than I do, as you're a participant in Dr Shore's trialsAt the end of the day all that matters is that somatic people (however we interpret the word) are not left behind by Neuromod.
As for hearing loss: yes, profound hearing loss is an exclusion factor, but if you exclude all people with hearing loss from your tinnitus treatment, it's not going to find a very big audience...
Steve wrote: "The hypothesis is based around lack of auditory input - hearing loss and associated processing in the brain. The tinnitus tone or pitch does not affect the eligibility. The device is calibrated to your audiogram, which needs to be performed by the audiologist."
To me this sentence implies that it is actually a prerequisite in Neuromod's working hypothesis is that you have some degree of hearing loss.
There is no reason to make assumptions. The research is out there and it explains this. Sorry if I sound crabby.
Small price to pay if it actually works. I just hope we won't need to travel to get it calibrated many times and hopefully no hidden costs.
Excellent, so there's no difference between MuteButton I and II... MuteButton I didn't work.
- Mar 1, 2018
- 871
- Tinnitus Since
- birth/ recent spike 2/2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Born with ETD, several acoustic traumas, most recently ETD
In countries with poor economic conditions it is a lot of money. 3,000 USD is approximately 120,000 Argentine pesos. A well-paid average worker earns about 30,000 or 35,000 pesos per month.
Anyway, if it really works, it may be worth it.
Someone mentioned that MuteButton II was customised to your tinnitus sound - That's what made it different to MuteButton I which just played white noise and stimulated your tongue...
We'll see on the Q&A as it was a key question.
So much nonsense going around - Speculation - Suppositions. I can't believe I am reduced to this kind of existence.
I'll say this - If the answer to the question - What's the difference between MuteButton I and MuteButton II is nothing then no-one should buy one period.
You would be better off drinking the 3 grand.
We'll see on the Q&A as it was a key question.
So much nonsense going around - Speculation - Suppositions. I can't believe I am reduced to this kind of existence.
I'll say this - If the answer to the question - What's the difference between MuteButton I and MuteButton II is nothing then no-one should buy one period.
You would be better off drinking the 3 grand.
- Jul 8, 2017
- 711
- Tinnitus Since
- 6/2017
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Neck/Jaw misalignment
Nobody is going to pay 3k for something that might not work unless your tinnitus is horrible and/or you have thousands of dollars lying around. I could easily afford this, but my tinnitus is mild to medium and it probably won't work anyways. PASS.
It sounds like another greedy company. C'mon no trial period to try this for a month or whatever to see if it works?
It sounds like another greedy company. C'mon no trial period to try this for a month or whatever to see if it works?
Yeah, for me (in Poland) it's a five-month payment too.
But if it works I can stop eating to save money for that.
Oh, that clears it up. I was afraid that the calibration to your audiogram was necessary because the device only worked if your tinnitus frequencies were the same as your hearing loss frequencies, or something. Great!
As for crabbiness: I understand completely and I'm sorry for making stupid guesses
Can you please give me a few hints on which articles/papers to read in-depth if I want to have a proper understanding? I thought I did my homework well, but apparently not.
- Apr 18, 2013
- 1,633
- Tinnitus Since
- 2003
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Flu, Noise-induced, Jaw trauma
It does still treat somatic. What I meant to say was that it won't be a substitute where you need something more, like a dental or surgical intervention.
I edited my original post to try and make that more clear.
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- Apr 18, 2013
- 1,633
- Tinnitus Since
- 2003
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Flu, Noise-induced, Jaw trauma
Yes.
People with somatic modulations were on the trial.
I think I started a big discussion by trying to get info out there but not triple checking what I wrote
- Apr 18, 2013
- 1,633
- Tinnitus Since
- 2003
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Flu, Noise-induced, Jaw trauma
They didn't share the price, although we will know fairly soon when it launches in Ireland.
- Apr 18, 2013
- 1,633
- Tinnitus Since
- 2003
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Flu, Noise-induced, Jaw trauma
After trying the device I can give a little insight.
It is supposed to be set to your audiogram. There were several sounds in the one that I tried out, which I believe is one of seven that you can choose from. Being an audio geek I can say that within the sound there were three separate audio techniques used.
I can see why the tinnitus tone isn't so important in their hypothesis. And there are a number of people with a tone above their hearing range. A lot of the time it can be a moving target, whereas an area of reduced input is a firm target. When I have had a tone match I have really struggled, there is often some RI involved and it also can seem to be variable in each test.
FounderJust working on the footage, started yesterday 6 pm, went to bed 2.30 am, and continuing now. Trust me, giving this my full attention. Unfortunately I just caught a cold, but I am not letting that stop me.
We are not just going to stick the raw footage together, there needs to be a bit of structure and thought go into this. I was given nearly 90 minutes of raw footage, and since I was not there when this was filmed, I will also need to consult Steve on a few things.
Anybody who has edited a long video like this knows it is a lot of work to get it ready for exporting to YouTube. The finished video will be over an hour long, it includes over 40 questions. I would say it is unlikely to see it published before the weekend, but early next week should be totally realistic. I know it is not easy but please have some more patience, it is coming!
We are not just going to stick the raw footage together, there needs to be a bit of structure and thought go into this. I was given nearly 90 minutes of raw footage, and since I was not there when this was filmed, I will also need to consult Steve on a few things.
Anybody who has edited a long video like this knows it is a lot of work to get it ready for exporting to YouTube. The finished video will be over an hour long, it includes over 40 questions. I would say it is unlikely to see it published before the weekend, but early next week should be totally realistic. I know it is not easy but please have some more patience, it is coming!
We should also do a transcript. For many people reading is much more comfortable than watching a video; it is searchable; easier to share and save; etc.
Transcripting a video is a LOT of work so we should divide it up and do it ourselves. Is anyone willing to help with this once the video is out? I'll gladly do one part, if we get a reasonable number of volunteers (so that one volunteer only has to do a couple of questions).
Transcripting a video is a LOT of work so we should divide it up and do it ourselves. Is anyone willing to help with this once the video is out? I'll gladly do one part, if we get a reasonable number of volunteers (so that one volunteer only has to do a couple of questions).
- May 24, 2017
- 1,622
- Tinnitus Since
- 05/2017 (H since 06/2017)
- Cause of Tinnitus
- long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
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