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This disruption in your brain causes further imbalance in the overall system and causes your brain stress. This depletes your serotonin and makes it impossible to relax and focus. Your wires are crossed. You cannot function normally psychologically. You just can't. All of these CBT demons think that you can avoid the stress part by thinking about the sound differently. This is impossible and everybody that says otherwise is lying to themselves.

They want you to think it goes like this:
tinnitus (sound) -> your consciousness and your sentient thoughts -> distress
After CBT:
tinnitus (sound) -> your consciousness and your "corrected" sentient thoughts -> less distress

It actually goes like this:

tinnitus -> your subconsciousness and your brain chemistry (altered, imbalanced) -> distress

You can be as positive as you want, your brain is cross-wired. CBT is a criminal scam.

And really, it is good to strive for positivity, tinnitus, or no tinnitus, but that doesn't justify this as a true therapy.
 
I agree, it's the brain freaking out... in some cases it may be mechanical, such as mobile stapes. It is certainly very complex and multi faced as the brain's inability to chill is affecting chemical reactions and me mechanical functions as well such as the TT muscle, if I can call it that..

CBT doesn't claim to treat hyperacusis, does it?
Is it not TRT you are referring to?

CBT is just life skills, re focusing or rephrasing dooms day thinking...
TRT is an actual treatment touted for improving hyperacusis and tinnitus... yes?

Anyways... at some point I'd like you and FGG, threefirefour, and a few other dudes and dudettes to look into my case history... it's freaking weird and perplexing... arghhhhhh.

Thanks again for your input...
 
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Does CBT even fit the definition of a therapy?

Does CBT relieve or heal actual tinnitus? As in the actual volume or presence of it? No.

Is tinnitus a mental or psychological disorder? No.
 
@JohnAdams
I like your explanations, even if I don't fully understand them. I wonder if you could shed some light onto some of my questions.

Do you suggest, that all/most people's tinnitus is caused by wrongly wired nerves? I am assuming, that this is the kind of neuro-plasticity that Lenire and Dr. Shore are referring to.

For me, it looks like bi-modal stimulation theories, OTO-313 and hair cell regeneration solutions also support your explanations about tinnitus.

Maybe, when you inject lidocaine into facial muscles, does it stop electrical impulses from wrongly wired nerves around your hearing system, therefore your tinnitus decreases? But, your hearing is somehow still perfect, because the correctly wired nerves are working fine.

I have somatic tinnitus. Makes me wonder, if my brain suddenly stopped receiving electrical impulses from my jaw muscles, could this decrease my tinnitus? Some people don't lose their tinnitus, after they get their auditory nerves cut, does this collide with your hypothesis, in any way?
 
Know this first. Hearing is like an "always on" function. It is the last sense to fade out of consciousness which is why people in comas sometimes report having to have been able to hear everything people were saying.
Many of us get noise trauma, but before the hair cell actually dies and you get hearing loss, the cochlea gets shocked and stops transmitting those frequencies.

This is a nerve. One side is the axon and the other side are the dendrites.
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The signal goes from left to right, from the dendrites to the axon terminal. They say that nerve impulses are electrical, but they are really electro-CHEMICAL, meaning that the chemicals are ions and carry an electric charge, and that is how the signal goes down the axon, the part that goes through the myelin sheath. It is because of sodium and potassium switching places really fast down the axon. The sodium/potassium ion channels are what cause the electrical component of the impulse. However, at the tips of the little branches of the dendrites, there are complex key-hole type molecular receptors that cause different types of nerve impulse. They are called neuro-receptor sites. The dendrites of the nerve are connected to the axon terminal(s) of a preceding nerve, like this.
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The impulse still goes left to right in this diagram.

Where they connect it looks like this:
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The yellow thing is the axon terminal of the sending nerve and the green is the tip of one of the dendrites of the receiving nerve.

The things labeled Neuro-transmitters are the complex chemicals that send the message from one nerve to the next. These are the chemicals that anti-depressants manipulate. (anti-depressants that sometimes seem to cause tinnitus).

The dendrites can dynamically disconnect and re-connect, this is what is called neuro-plasticity, the ability for new nerve connections to form and old ones to disconnect. This is why we can learn new things and forget old things.

So when your cochlea gets shocked, it stops sending certain signals. Since your auditory system is always on, the nerve dendrites in your brainstem start "sniffing out" neurotransmitters because they are thirsty for neurotransmitters.
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The brain stem is where all of your senses converge, even your eyesight, as well as everything coming and going from your body, so there are certainly plenty of other nerve axon terminals that are actively secreting neurotransmitters there to "entice" dendrites to make connections. So the nerve from your auditory cortex in your brain that connects to the part in the brain stem gets bored from sudden loss of input and makes a new connection to something else, and that something else could be your heartbeat impulses, your eyesight, or just nonsensory "junk". So basically you start hearing electrical noise from some other places in your body. While these errant connections exist, the dendrites stay connected because they are getting their "fix" on neurotransmitters. You may even have dendrites from one nerve half connected to your auditory nerve, and half connected to some other place. They don't know or care that they are torturing you and driving you insane.

Back to when you sleep, your brain shuts off many connections to your body. Anyone that has experienced sleep paralysis knows what is like to wake up and not be able to move momentarily. The last sense to turn off, and it doesn't even really turn all the way off, is hearing.

So if you listen to this ridiculous noise that is all over the place spectrum wise and very random while you're asleep, then your cochlea, hopefully, probably, mostly recovered by now, will be sending impulses that will cause the axon terminal from the vestibulocochlear nerve in the brain stem to secrete neurotransmitters and the auditory nerve from the brain stem to the brain's dendrites will break up with the errant connections they have made that are probably turned off because you're asleep and "sniff out" the neurotransmitters coming from the vestibulocochlear nerve's axon terminal and reconnect.

That is why the sleep part is so import.

FYI this is really only a guess.
Yous the president of MPP now B
 
Do you suggest, that all/most people's tinnitus is caused by wrongly wired nerves?
Probably many cases. I don't know what the proportion would be.
I am assuming, that this is the kind of neuro-plasticity that Lenire and Dr. Shore are referring to.
Aren't Dr. Shore's electrodes on the back of the neck?
Maybe, when you inject lidocaine into facial muscles, does it stop electrical impulses from wrongly wired nerves around your hearing system, therefore your tinnitus decreases?
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after they get their auditory nerves cut, does this collide with your hypothesis, in any way?
If the vestibulocochlear nerve is cut then that would leave the faulty connections in the brainstem in place.
 
I've got those - tinnitus and hyperacusis blues
And I don't know exactly what I'm gonna do
Should I go over to my drawer
And open that other pack of Amitriptyline or -
Should I go back to my doctor, and get another pill for those blues...
 
So, I was having some noise sensitivity in my right ear ever since I came back from Korea. It wasn't really hyperacusis, but sensitivity and it was easy to make it flare up into a spike. After just 3 nights on that tinnitus mix, that is gone. There is really something to that noise therapy. I'm trying to figure out how case determined why to use it at night.

@R. David Case ?
 
will break up with the errant connections they have made that are probably turned off because you're asleep and "sniff out" the neurotransmitters coming from the vestibulocochlear nerve's axon terminal and reconnect.
I noticed a drastic improvement in the quality of music and speech in videos and the radio.
I'm gonna pretend that I understood most of that. When you say reconnect, are you implying this might lead to better hearing? David claims that he and other's have gotten some hearing back. If your hearing clarity got better than the seems to be the only explanation right? Seems like your not the only one to have experienced some benefits. This warrants further investigation, this could be groundbreaking or could end up being a placebo. So far seems like there might actually be something there.
 
I'm gonna pretend that I understood most of that. When you say reconnect, are you implying this might lead to better hearing? David claims that he and other's have gotten some hearing back. If your hearing clarity got better than the seems to be the only explanation right? Seems like your not the only one to have experienced some benefits. This warrants further investigation, this could be groundbreaking or could end up being a placebo. So far seems like there might actually be something there.
I really don't think it is placebo. I think my explanation makes sense. If more people get improvements from this then the real genius here is Case. His explanation regarding government SIGINT surely turned many people off from it because it doesn't really make sense. I understand why he could come up with that, but regardless it looks like he cracked a big nut. My explanation is based on me trying to think about the thing he created. Maybe this is a big leap forward. Someone just posted a success story from using tinnitus mix for a couple of nights.
 
I really don't think it is placebo. I think my explanation makes sense. If more people get improvements from this then the real genius here is Case. His explanation regarding government SIGINT surely turned many people off from it because it doesn't really make sense. I understand why he could come up with that, but regardless it looks like he cracked a big nut. My explanation is based on me trying to think about the thing he created. Maybe this is a big leap forward. Someone just posted a success story from using tinnitus mix for a couple of nights.
You should have tried it sooner. I was looking at the thread and you mentioning it was a scam in the earlier comments. Hopefully you post a success story up soon.
 
Can you link or repost how one can try the Case method?
tinnitusmix.com

download the file. get headphones with a freuqency response up to 20khz. Master Case recommends these koss ktx headphones. set it to loop. listen all night while sleeping. don't skip a night and do it for like 3- 30 nights or something like that. listen at a comfortable volume.
 

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