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Etiquette, class and decorum has literally nothing to do with character except in the most superficial way possible. Character is not about seeming "better bred" and more upper crust than others.
Does Prince Andrew, for instance, have character? Give me a break.
Exactly.
There are people in this world from extremely poor backgrounds who may speak "incorrectly", swear or break certain etiquette rules, but may have enormous character, good moral judgement and emotional wealth.
This discussion reminds me of a story Lewis Hamilton once told when he went to have dinner with the Queen at Buckingham Palace. He said it just so happened that they sat him next to the Queen so he nervously started talking to her, and she said something like, "no you can't do that it's bad manners. I must talk to the person on my right first for the first course." This is where there are loads of made-up protocols and etiquette rules that nobody understands or follows unless they are upper class. They make no sense in the modern world and are pretty pathetic when you think about it.
You can find the story here:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...n-tells-Lewis-Hamilton-Mind-your-manners.html
A spokesman for Debrett's, the society etiquette experts, said: "The Queen would begin to speak to the person on her right, the guest of honour – for the duration of the first course."
Debrett's added: "For the next course she would speak to the person seated to her left. This thus indeed means it is convention at a dinner party to speak to the guest seated to one's left before speaking to the one on the right – also with the Queen.
Etiquette is nothing more than a bunch of made-up protocols, and what you think are good manners in the UK are probably the height of bad manners in another country, such is the frivolity of it all.
I just realized that if the reports of the German Lenire clinic upcharging by 1000 euro are true, the same thing may likely happen if/when Lenire comes to the States. For any people considering waiting for that.
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I do see a lot of people at work. Back when my seniority was low, I would go to "pubs" with my co-workers.
Yes, you won't learn about their capacity for empathy, but it seems to me that in many cases you can get a sense about their level of education and capacity for self/impulse control.
That's not ALL the people who don't use "salty language" talk about! LOL
That's what that person whom you quoted talking about your aunt had been using. The probability that someone is a lesbian given they aren't married and have short hair (Probability L|Q) depends (positively) on the probability someone isn't married and has short hair given she is a lesbian (Probability Q|L). The higher is the latter conditional probability P(Q|L), and the lower is the conditional probability that someone isn't married and has short hair given she isn't a lesbian(Probaility Q|not L), the higher is the former probability (that that person had been talking about)(P(L|Q)). Put another way, that person's statement just means that she thinks that Probability Q|L is high and Probability that Q|not L is low.
Only intelligent people can pull off speaking profanity without sounding like a foul mouth. It's more about what you have to say, than it is how you say it. Personality has a lot to do with it as well. Some people should never curse for their own good. I don't curse. When I have it only reflected bad on me. I know many intelligent people who surprisingly do at times and they do so successfully but very, very rarely.
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I was just demonstrating how frivolous all these etiquette rules can be.
I was specifically talking about the type of people who do, regardless of language.
I disagree with this to some extent. Some of the smartest people to walk the Earth swear all the time. Just listen to the Joe Rogan podcast. He has a great variety of highly educated guests on his show and a good percentage of them swear. In my opinion, swearing in and of itself reveals very little about a person. In fact, there are studies that show that people who swear are often more intelligent and have a better overall vocabulary:
If someone's ever accused you of sounding less intelligent because you swear too much, don't worry - science has got your back. A 2015 study found that those who have a healthy repertoire of curse words at their disposal are more likely to have a richer vocabulary than those who don't.
This challenges the long-held stereotype that people swear because they can't find more intelligent words with which to express themselves.
As Stephen Fry once said, "The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is in any way a sign of a lack of education or a lack of verbal interest is just a f*cking lunatic."
Psychologists Kristin Jay and Timothy Jay of Marist College and the Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts (not clear if related) came up with the hypothesis that people who are well-versed in curse words are more likely to have greater overall language fluency too.
For the first experiment, they gathered 43 participants (30 women) aged between 18 and 22 years, and first asked them to rattle off as many swear or taboo words as they could in 60 seconds.
Next, they had to recite as many animal names as they could in 60 seconds. The researchers used animal names as an indication of a person's overall vocabulary and interest in language.
As any intelligible American English taboo word or phrase was considered fair game, the participants ended up generating a total of 533 taboo words, including the rather obscure "cum dumpster" and "ass pirate".
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....sing-rude-words-better-vocabulary-science/amp
@JohnAdams HAHA thats my borough in London! (For reference, "year 7" is kids aged 11-12.)
Recently someone got stabbed to death at a seminar that was being given on knife crime here. No, that isn't a joke!
Recently someone got stabbed to death at a seminar that was being given on knife crime here. No, that isn't a joke!
I mean the little square mile borough in the center of London proper called the City of London?What isn't?
I'd say more but we haven't really got freedom of speech here. Suffice to say London is sort of its own country that exists within Britain.
Yeah. Isn't that one of the 3 Illuminati cities that control the world along with Washington D.C. and the Vatican?
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I don't think it worked.
If you were in that other country, and were to follow the UK rules there, even though it is against the rules of that other country, that would be very wrong.
The context matters. It is one thing to swear when you are on a show like the 1990s Howard Stern show, where that's the expectation, where this is what the audience wants to hear. This doesn't mean that one would swear during the course of one's normal life.
It sounds like the study measured the extent of one's vocabulary. Not surprisingly, it found that when one has an extensive vocabulary, even a subset of that vocabulary (e.g., curve words) will be more extensive.
Oh, I see that I was right - the study measured vocabulary, and hasn't measured whether the subjects actually use those swear words in everyday life:
I think the stereotype is that they swear because they can't/won't control what they say.
This isn't an argument.
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I thought you were an American doing an incredible British accent. But you are from London. Unless it's the London in the Canadian province of Ontario, I am not as impressed.
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Knives don't stab people.
This reminds me of parents who, upon observing their kid accidentally bump into say a chair and begin crying, start knocking on the chair while saying "Bad chair!"
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