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Hi Markku and Hazel.
I would read his post but I can't because he is the one and only resident of my ignore list.
Posts like the one you describe are why.
I believe you are more than capable of running this forum. I've disagreed with some apparent moderation in the past. That's par for the course for a place like this.
Thanks for the time, energy and emotional positivity you put into it.
I would read his post but I can't because he is the one and only resident of my ignore list.
Posts like the one you describe are why.
I believe you are more than capable of running this forum. I've disagreed with some apparent moderation in the past. That's par for the course for a place like this.
Thanks for the time, energy and emotional positivity you put into it.
HootOwl
Member
Member- May 29, 2015
- 664
- 30
- Tinnitus Since
- 2012
- Cause of Tinnitus
- I had tinnitus for as long as I can remember. Got bad later.
Ok, I have HAD IT! Every time I visit this site, there is always something going on! I know that I played a role in the past, and I'm sorry for my part, but can the nonsensical shit just stop already? This is supposed to be a support forum, but ALL I see is constant bickering, insults, slander, vulgarity, and it NEVER stops! Now this shit even featured in the home page? What has become of this place? It has gotten way out of control! The cycle of meanness needs to end!
John, I know Ed has approached his concerns poorly in the past, but do you have to respond with cruelty? To mock someone for going through a hardship is beneath you. I don't think Ed deserves that. I know you're better than that. If you don't like the way you've been treated, then how on Earth is constantly being antagonistic going to help you? It just adds fuel to the fire and puts it into an endless cycle. Please, try to approach things with grace. This argument might shift in a better direction if you try to handle the disagreements without the grudge fueled rage.
This has gotten ridiculous. At least someone be the better person for a change. Please! This is starting to feel like elementary school.
John, I know Ed has approached his concerns poorly in the past, but do you have to respond with cruelty? To mock someone for going through a hardship is beneath you. I don't think Ed deserves that. I know you're better than that. If you don't like the way you've been treated, then how on Earth is constantly being antagonistic going to help you? It just adds fuel to the fire and puts it into an endless cycle. Please, try to approach things with grace. This argument might shift in a better direction if you try to handle the disagreements without the grudge fueled rage.
This has gotten ridiculous. At least someone be the better person for a change. Please! This is starting to feel like elementary school.
I saw the appeal at the top of the forum and it's really simple.
I look at this forum as a support group.
We should all try to adhere to more decorum in respect for the suffering we know we all share. Before anyone jumps down my throat, I admit I have hardly perfect in this regard but I think John in particular demonstrates a consistent pattern of sweeping through the forum and kicking up drama, typically with rude dismissive one-liners. My opinion is that he enjoys the drama because it makes him the center of attention. It doesn't matter whether the attention is positive or negative. Even his revolving Ren & Stimpy avatar tells the world that he is desperately seeking attention.
Everyone has chemistry, even online. Sometimes people just rub you the wrong way. Sometimes he posts something informational and useful and then sometimes he seems to be dead-set on kicking up drama in a trollish way. It seems a little bipolar, frankly. When he's trolling, his posts drive me insane but I've dropped enough Lighten Up Francis GIFs and it seems to do nothing to cause him to self-reflect and moderate his tone, otherwise we wouldn't be where we are now, would we?
I'm not going to comment on the particulars of whatever feud he's entered into with the Tinnitus Talk staff. Forum members should not be dragged into this sort of thing.
I'm not saying we should be too thin skinned. A little ribbing is OK now and then. I just have my own barometer for how far is acceptable to push it before it needs to be reigned in and John crosses that line too often.
I am really grateful I have never used Twitter because that is a complete 24/7 dumpster fire. But when I get dragged into this sort of thing elsewhere online I am at least able to pinch myself and realize how petty all this really is.
I look at this forum as a support group.
We should all try to adhere to more decorum in respect for the suffering we know we all share. Before anyone jumps down my throat, I admit I have hardly perfect in this regard but I think John in particular demonstrates a consistent pattern of sweeping through the forum and kicking up drama, typically with rude dismissive one-liners. My opinion is that he enjoys the drama because it makes him the center of attention. It doesn't matter whether the attention is positive or negative. Even his revolving Ren & Stimpy avatar tells the world that he is desperately seeking attention.
Everyone has chemistry, even online. Sometimes people just rub you the wrong way. Sometimes he posts something informational and useful and then sometimes he seems to be dead-set on kicking up drama in a trollish way. It seems a little bipolar, frankly. When he's trolling, his posts drive me insane but I've dropped enough Lighten Up Francis GIFs and it seems to do nothing to cause him to self-reflect and moderate his tone, otherwise we wouldn't be where we are now, would we?
I'm not going to comment on the particulars of whatever feud he's entered into with the Tinnitus Talk staff. Forum members should not be dragged into this sort of thing.
I'm not saying we should be too thin skinned. A little ribbing is OK now and then. I just have my own barometer for how far is acceptable to push it before it needs to be reigned in and John crosses that line too often.
I am really grateful I have never used Twitter because that is a complete 24/7 dumpster fire. But when I get dragged into this sort of thing elsewhere online I am at least able to pinch myself and realize how petty all this really is.
FounderThank you Carlos for everything you bring to this community, as well.
That's the way (as you know has also been yours truly status for a long time). I don't know, maybe I take it to the extreme. I guess you could say I have a tendency of letting people abuse me and giving people the benefit of the doubt for longer than some other people would. It's soon my 9-year anniversary here and I've come across an assortment of individuals - most very kind and understanding. There's been some more difficult cases. People who take their frustration out at others. I've always tried to be as lenient as possible. I want to think showing people kindness even when they are very mean to you can have a net positive result in the end. In the majority of the cases, this has been true; I've seen some amazing transformations.
I can say though that some people who have contributed significantly to the cause, like Steve, have had enough of the quarrels and people dragging others down. Yes, Steve's day job became much busier and that was in major part the reason he reduced his tinnitus activities, but obviously negativity and people talking the talk but not walking the walk can get tiresome.
It's a shame. It's impossible for all of us to agree with each other. For example, Tinnitus Talk is not a pro habituation cult community where those who think not everyone can habituate are frowned upon. To the contrary, I think most of us agree that tinnitus has varying levels of severity and life with this incessant torment can in some cases truly become impossible to continue. As we're speaking, I'm hoping we'll have an awareness piece on tinnitus suicides out later this year. This is serious stuff. On the other hand, this should be a two-way street. Those who have habituated and want to encourage others trying various methods, including counseling, should not be mocked or attacked.
Glad to hear this. I want you to also know that your well-balanced and thoughtful contributions to the research section haven't gone unnoticed. You are an example of how a person can discuss - and disagree too - without taking it personal. It would be a pleasure to meet you for a coffee if our paths ever cross.
I believe staff on any other forum would have deleted John's post and banned him on the spot after his reactions today. I've been on various forums since the late 1990s and I honestly have not seen such behavior been acceptable anywhere.
Let alone that a staff member would have highlighted the post for everyone to see.
But I wanted to see if our members really agree with John. There's been moments when I've started to doubt myself after everything he's said about us. Are we really deserving of all that hate, even threats? People have shared some of his comments about us in private chat networks. This has been going on for quite some time now.
I don't know, maybe John would be better at this than we are. Who knows. There's just so much anger and frustration coming from him that it's hard to deal with it.
My invitation still stands, though. I'd like to see John at either the TRI conference in Vancouver this May, or next year in Dublin, Ireland. If I'm not mistaken, I don't think John approves of TRI (or at least he's been very negative towards Berthold Langguth), but instead of posting malice on the internet, maybe it would be more fruitful to have face-to-face discussions with us and tinnitus researchers.
And let me end this by saying that while I would lie if I said I didn't think John has treated us kind of awfully at times, and has a bit of a temper, he also has a very bright and intelligent mind. He has been a pioneer with regards to various experimental treatments. I genuinely believe he wants to see tinnitus cured. But I don't think these very positive qualities necessarily make some of the behavior acceptable.
Thanks Glenn. I appreciate your viewpoint. I will take the notice off soon. I realize now it can also add unnecessary burden for struggling members, too, to be asked to take part in this kind of schism.
Have a great weekend everyone.
The important thing to remember her is NONE of us have a major platform to affect political and medical change. This is a stand-alone site that is not recognized by the ATA, the BTA, or any tinnitus association. We are trying to take steps to forge meaningful connections with groups that could be of potentially great influence, but this process is long and by no means straightforward in any sense.
We all mourn the complacency of the many major organizations that play a hand in our fate. Despite the fact that we are trying to take a more active role in that, there is absolutely no guarantee of success or even clarity to its pathway.
I've not watched the most recent Tinnitus Talk Podcast on which I assume these allegations are based, but I don't want three valuable members of our community to be at odds with each other. But what's done is done. I hope we can all make amends but these are some pretty serious allegations that I'm not sure I would be above if I were placed in the administrators' place.
Love you all.
We all mourn the complacency of the many major organizations that play a hand in our fate. Despite the fact that we are trying to take a more active role in that, there is absolutely no guarantee of success or even clarity to its pathway.
I've not watched the most recent Tinnitus Talk Podcast on which I assume these allegations are based, but I don't want three valuable members of our community to be at odds with each other. But what's done is done. I hope we can all make amends but these are some pretty serious allegations that I'm not sure I would be above if I were placed in the administrators' place.
Love you all.
I am pretty stunned at this.
When the banner address first displayed, it reminded me of those apocalypse news crawlers often seen in Hollywood disaster movies, suggestive of the fact that our tinnitus community was now in a parlous state; that a pirate element had seized the status quo controls and that the best recourse, and indeed my first impulse, would be to head to a silent, wooded glade and to wait in abject hope that the insurgency would soon be quelled.
Having said that and having read the post in contention, a few thoughts did indeed come to mind...
Firstly, @JohnAdams fair play for the skin you have put in the game. I'm not knocking your spirit or endeavour in investigating any option which may slay this vile ringing, hissing, whooshing or pulsatile beast. Or for your passion in desiring a cure and for articulating your frustration at those professionals who you feel are not pulling their weight in correctly investigating one or in spending the funding given to do so appropriately.
However, that said, insulting @Ed209 @Hazel and @Markku is nonsensical and, for me, pretty unforgivable. The forum we have here provides a focal point for us to interact and the opportunity to form a coherent, mutually beneficial community. With so few people in external society openly aware of the pain and suffering many of us endure, and indeed a lot of medical professionals still ignorant to the potential severity of our condition, it is a VITAL resource. It is very clear the selfless work that @Hazel and @Markku put into raising awareness, in advocacy, in moderating and maintaining this forum, as well as in many other ventures and avenues. Which, and I'm open to be corrected if I'm wrong, they mostly do voluntarily. Graceless ad hominem attacks regarding their intelligence is just ugly and dispiriting. What's the alternative you are suggesting? That they just don't bother? Or that they arrange to interview researchers and product developers and then just turn up to the interview and start insulting them? This doesn't seem much of a longitudinal plan and when and where else has it proven effective?
And as for the comments on @Ed209. I'm sure he doesn't need me to rise to his defence, but these vulgar solecisms are revolting. Ed essentially asked for proof of success regarding Minbo Shim's treatment. That's all. Scientific proof. This does not seem a significant ask, or a character assassination, when the prospect is spending thousands to access it. Ed was essentially protecting the vulnerable from exploitation, which seems commendable and compassionate, in my opinion. Furthermore, to critique the work he put into Danny's fund is abominable. Everything in that campaign was conducted openly, with sensitivity, tact and respect. The recipient of the money was also chosen by a community vote between those who donated, so how Ed can be blamed for where it ended up is illogical. Again, what do you suggest as an alternative? Inaction? Taking to the streets en masse and stabbing a DJ in the neck?
What I do know is, when I've been broken and beaten by this condition, Ed has been there to help and to pick me up and to offer counsel, support and advice. This has been in some of the darkest times I have ever endured and when he himself is also walking through struggles and exacting tribulations. The character you are so at odds with is seemingly a projection of your dislike towards him. It doesn't resonate with the actual experience of talking to him and knowing him on a human level. The guy's generosity and kindness are rare traits in today's cynical postmodern world. Fundamentally, he's just a thoroughly decent bloke.
In the interests of community, shared suffering and both inter-mutual empathy and compassion, please desist John in lashing out at those who are only trying to help. Air disagreements by all means, but please do it tastefully and with an appreciable level of respect.
...I'll take myself off to the wooded glade now...
When the banner address first displayed, it reminded me of those apocalypse news crawlers often seen in Hollywood disaster movies, suggestive of the fact that our tinnitus community was now in a parlous state; that a pirate element had seized the status quo controls and that the best recourse, and indeed my first impulse, would be to head to a silent, wooded glade and to wait in abject hope that the insurgency would soon be quelled.
Having said that and having read the post in contention, a few thoughts did indeed come to mind...
Firstly, @JohnAdams fair play for the skin you have put in the game. I'm not knocking your spirit or endeavour in investigating any option which may slay this vile ringing, hissing, whooshing or pulsatile beast. Or for your passion in desiring a cure and for articulating your frustration at those professionals who you feel are not pulling their weight in correctly investigating one or in spending the funding given to do so appropriately.
However, that said, insulting @Ed209 @Hazel and @Markku is nonsensical and, for me, pretty unforgivable. The forum we have here provides a focal point for us to interact and the opportunity to form a coherent, mutually beneficial community. With so few people in external society openly aware of the pain and suffering many of us endure, and indeed a lot of medical professionals still ignorant to the potential severity of our condition, it is a VITAL resource. It is very clear the selfless work that @Hazel and @Markku put into raising awareness, in advocacy, in moderating and maintaining this forum, as well as in many other ventures and avenues. Which, and I'm open to be corrected if I'm wrong, they mostly do voluntarily. Graceless ad hominem attacks regarding their intelligence is just ugly and dispiriting. What's the alternative you are suggesting? That they just don't bother? Or that they arrange to interview researchers and product developers and then just turn up to the interview and start insulting them? This doesn't seem much of a longitudinal plan and when and where else has it proven effective?
And as for the comments on @Ed209. I'm sure he doesn't need me to rise to his defence, but these vulgar solecisms are revolting. Ed essentially asked for proof of success regarding Minbo Shim's treatment. That's all. Scientific proof. This does not seem a significant ask, or a character assassination, when the prospect is spending thousands to access it. Ed was essentially protecting the vulnerable from exploitation, which seems commendable and compassionate, in my opinion. Furthermore, to critique the work he put into Danny's fund is abominable. Everything in that campaign was conducted openly, with sensitivity, tact and respect. The recipient of the money was also chosen by a community vote between those who donated, so how Ed can be blamed for where it ended up is illogical. Again, what do you suggest as an alternative? Inaction? Taking to the streets en masse and stabbing a DJ in the neck?
What I do know is, when I've been broken and beaten by this condition, Ed has been there to help and to pick me up and to offer counsel, support and advice. This has been in some of the darkest times I have ever endured and when he himself is also walking through struggles and exacting tribulations. The character you are so at odds with is seemingly a projection of your dislike towards him. It doesn't resonate with the actual experience of talking to him and knowing him on a human level. The guy's generosity and kindness are rare traits in today's cynical postmodern world. Fundamentally, he's just a thoroughly decent bloke.
In the interests of community, shared suffering and both inter-mutual empathy and compassion, please desist John in lashing out at those who are only trying to help. Air disagreements by all means, but please do it tastefully and with an appreciable level of respect.
...I'll take myself off to the wooded glade now...
John posts a lot and he comes across as though he should be treated as an unofficial authority. People shouldn't just take what he says at face value and blindly take the sorts of risks he does.
I have undergone selfless surgery at my own cost making myself a lab rat and I have scars on my body from bone marrow extractions.
Like I said, why am I scolded? I never once blamed a tinnitus sufferer's mental distress on them. Why are people that scold me not scolding them when they know them in real life?
We need fire.
There is a medication that should be available right now that lost funding because investors don't think it is profitable.
Hug emojis and 50% success stories aren't really advancing our cause.
Star64
Member
@Markku and @Hazel, I appreciate all your efforts and time you put into Tinnitus Talk. I also appreciate and respect other members perspectives and opinions, although I do not always agree with them.
Even though this is meant to be a support group, I know of some people with tinnitus who are frightened off from posting or asking for help on this site due to feeling anxious about being ridiculed. I have read posts from some members on Tinnitus Talk calling people names because they frequently post about being suicidal. You call that support!
This forum requires you to have thick skin at times, but what it needs more than anything is for its members to band together and make a noise, just like your tinnitus! Raise more public awareness about the distress tinnitus and hyperacusis cause, that is what we need before we lose more members to suicide.
@JohnAdams, I appreciate you trying to find a cure for tinnitus, I also appreciate @Contrast for trying to bring down the scammers and protecting vulnerable people.
@Markku and @Hazel
This is what we need to be having a very real discussion about. I have never made such an offensive remark as what this flow chart is insinuating.
Why scold me when you could scold the ones publishing this dangerous crap? I have no power. These people have power and you, Hazel, know them personally.
- Apr 30, 2018
- 2,507
- Tinnitus Since
- 02/2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Single 25 mg dose of (anticholinergic) drug Promethazine
Thanks @GlennS and @Elfin for your honest appraisals, which I unfortunately have to agree with. I don't have too much to add, except to say that JohnAdams' presence on this forum has become utterly exhausting. His posts are continually (many times a day!) filled with so much anger, denigration, personal attacks (which often includes outright fabrications and misrepresentation), name calling, extremely judgmental attitudes, and more. -- And yet he seems to hold himself up somehow as the only one who knows "truth". If he wants to rage away at the world on Twitter or some other place, so be it. But when it comes to raging out at the very people who keep this forum running, and who are doing the most for the tinnitus community at large, then that's totally acceptable.
@JohnAdams, don't you think it's about time for you to clean up your act? If I may ask, would you want your children to be modeling the behavior you continually exhibit on this forum? Don't you think teaching them how to demonstrate kindness to their fellow human beings would be a better route to go? -- I too hope you would desist in your lashing out at others, because like others have posted, I believe you have much to offer. But you seem to continually, and unnecessarily, make mountains out of molehills. I think your greatest contributions will only come when you learn how to treat others with greater tolerance, respect, kindness, and compassion.
So what's your next move, John? Pressure-cooker bombs?
Look, if you're this fired up after having acquired tinnitus less than two years ago I think you're headed for big trouble down the road.
How are we supposed to achieve this? Shouting at professionals or inside an echo chamber isn't going to advance our cause.
I'm the first person to put down the habituation dogma...
But really, what's a solution? Social activism is incredibly hard for a condition that wants to be forgotten about by some substantial percentage of its population, with another substantial portion functionally "unaffected" by it.
Edit: I do hate that flow chart.
Lane... I have to admit it... I haven't submitted a message to here in quite some time because of JohnAdams. I see people getting ripped apart by him all the time and it makes me feel, well... insecure. I hope he takes your message to heart.
Despite him, this is still the best tinnitus community by far! I am very thankful for everything Hazel and Markku do here.
Star64
Member
- May 29, 2015
- 664
- 30
- Tinnitus Since
- 2012
- Cause of Tinnitus
- I had tinnitus for as long as I can remember. Got bad later.
Star64
Member
- May 17, 2017
- 909
- Tinnitus Since
- 07/2016
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Ototoxic earwax drops, worsened by MDs (Muppet Doctors)
I remember a time when it was @Bill Bauer who was often under attack, for having a different approach/pov to others. I don't always agree with @JohnAdams, but I think he's entitled to have his opinions on things. There are others here who grandstand and can come across as condescending, yet seem to be entitled to their opinions.
By the way, I think @Markku and @Hazel do an incredible job. They allowed this thread to exist, despite it being unconventional. I never used to read it, but there are some funny and helpful things which I've found beneficial to my own journey. So, props to them for running this place in such an open/non-fascist manner unlike other ones out there. I wish I could donate more.
By the way, I think @Markku and @Hazel do an incredible job. They allowed this thread to exist, despite it being unconventional. I never used to read it, but there are some funny and helpful things which I've found beneficial to my own journey. So, props to them for running this place in such an open/non-fascist manner unlike other ones out there. I wish I could donate more.
- Jun 15, 2019
- 157
- Tinnitus Since
- May 2019
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Likely infection/ear stress after walking pneumonia
Noooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition...
Brits and Americans especially of a certain age may get that.
I think lots of folks are on edge for all the obvious reasons and then some. I literally cannot imagine what I would do without this forum so I hope tempers can cool.
I have been online for a longgg time, I've worked in social media, I've run blogs, I've moderated comment sections, I've had running disputes with famous authors, Lord knows I've let my own temper get the best of me online, and I ran the digital side of an interactive multimedia forum for several years.
If I had the means I would buy the exceptionally capable and compassionate Hazel and Markku breakfast, lunch and dinner for a year to start thanking them for this place. Where they permit farrrrr more pointed jousting than I ever had the patience to permit. I just threw people out when they threatened the community. Moderating comments is the worst part of having a forum, which is why so many news outlets have canceled or sharply restricted them.
The best part was, I got paid for it. I literally cannot imagine being Hazel, for example, and I'm sure I'll embarrass her here, fulfilling the obligations of her day, fighting her own battle with tinnitus, IIRC coping with a Mom who has serious health issues, and then opening the door to this screaming flying monkey circus. That she voluntarily runs. I can't imagine it because I wouldn't do it for free and I pray she and Markku keep at it.
The thing is, speaking from experience from both sides of the moderating/comment dispute game, folks are never going to get a completely mathematical satisfaction of justice. We all live in our own heads too much for that. I am not even going to try to figure out who shot who either in this matter or all the rest of it. Oh and by the way I have seen John be wronged in comments too, not by Hazel and Markku and not by whatever that flow chart is (bad connection, not loading), but by adversaries poking the hornet's nest instead of just... being.... quiet for a change. Try it, it's a land of wonder and amazement.
Too long a post. Just imagine being someone coming here now for the first time, or other longtime forum members looking for balm and getting whatever this is.
We all have challenges; we all have varying levels of pain; we've all been wronged at one time or another and will be again; and *no* human community can function without cutting people slack, even--especially--unmerited slack, which is the only slack that counts.
We are suffering together. We are on the verge of exciting progress, treatments and even cures (cures!) together. We can help everyone, and people we are yet to meet, to hang on together until those life preservers arrive.
And until then we're each other's life preservers.
Brits and Americans especially of a certain age may get that.
I think lots of folks are on edge for all the obvious reasons and then some. I literally cannot imagine what I would do without this forum so I hope tempers can cool.
I have been online for a longgg time, I've worked in social media, I've run blogs, I've moderated comment sections, I've had running disputes with famous authors, Lord knows I've let my own temper get the best of me online, and I ran the digital side of an interactive multimedia forum for several years.
If I had the means I would buy the exceptionally capable and compassionate Hazel and Markku breakfast, lunch and dinner for a year to start thanking them for this place. Where they permit farrrrr more pointed jousting than I ever had the patience to permit. I just threw people out when they threatened the community. Moderating comments is the worst part of having a forum, which is why so many news outlets have canceled or sharply restricted them.
The best part was, I got paid for it. I literally cannot imagine being Hazel, for example, and I'm sure I'll embarrass her here, fulfilling the obligations of her day, fighting her own battle with tinnitus, IIRC coping with a Mom who has serious health issues, and then opening the door to this screaming flying monkey circus. That she voluntarily runs. I can't imagine it because I wouldn't do it for free and I pray she and Markku keep at it.
Oh agreed. The first sentence is why I muted you, John, within two days after my arrival here. The second is why I unmuted you--with Markku's help ironically enough, since I was having tech issues. I'd seen some of your comments on a browser where I wasn't logged in and decided I'd try to benefit from your intelligence and, frankly, bravery.
The thing is, speaking from experience from both sides of the moderating/comment dispute game, folks are never going to get a completely mathematical satisfaction of justice. We all live in our own heads too much for that. I am not even going to try to figure out who shot who either in this matter or all the rest of it. Oh and by the way I have seen John be wronged in comments too, not by Hazel and Markku and not by whatever that flow chart is (bad connection, not loading), but by adversaries poking the hornet's nest instead of just... being.... quiet for a change. Try it, it's a land of wonder and amazement.
Too long a post. Just imagine being someone coming here now for the first time, or other longtime forum members looking for balm and getting whatever this is.
We all have challenges; we all have varying levels of pain; we've all been wronged at one time or another and will be again; and *no* human community can function without cutting people slack, even--especially--unmerited slack, which is the only slack that counts.
We are suffering together. We are on the verge of exciting progress, treatments and even cures (cures!) together. We can help everyone, and people we are yet to meet, to hang on together until those life preservers arrive.
And until then we're each other's life preservers.
- Dec 7, 2018
- 554
- Tinnitus Since
- 03/2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Unknown
Most here don't know me, I was an active member a while ago. I like to check in but I usually don't get involved in any of the threads. I felt I had to for this.
I have always had great experiences with @Markku on here. When I was still active on here we had a fair share of issues and drama, but because of Markku they were always dealt with fairly. He does what he does because of his heart. He cares about people very genuinely and that is obvious in his posts. There's about 10 times more bullshit for him to deal with.
His character is evidenced by his mountains of work. He stands on tens of thousands of hours working on Tinnitus Talk, because he cares about people, because he is one of those who used the fire in him in the right way. There was nothing like Tinnitus Talk when I first got tinnitus. Tinnitus Talk literally saved my life. I've seen first hand in group and team chats with Markku how clever he is. Any critique of his intellect or character is absurd.
@JohnAdams, you don't make an attempt to justify any of the claims made. I see you took some medical action in regards to tinnitus and I applaud you for that. I went for a clinical trial so I know how scary it is. I can also see your fire and passion. Let's just be sure a goal is actually being accomplished.
I'm seeing comments about people being uncomfortable posting because of the aggressive nature of some posts.
NO ONE SHOULD BE AFRAID OF POSTING HERE. So to whoever may be contributing to that, maybe self reflection is needed. I know things get contentious between people who believe you can habituate and those who believe you cannot. Both have a valid reason for coming to this place to try and connect with others who understand. I think this is the major point to get across to members on here. Sometimes you forget the other side is an actual human.
"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you."
-Friedrich W. Nietzsche-
Whatever fire this struggle sparked in you is only useful when targeted correctly. Otherwise its nature is to consume everything in until there's nothing left to destroy, and then finally burn out itself. Because if that's the case you are hurting people who are as scared and lost as you are. Fire can be powerful and effectuate great change when used as a tool.
-Kierkegaard-
I have always had great experiences with @Markku on here. When I was still active on here we had a fair share of issues and drama, but because of Markku they were always dealt with fairly. He does what he does because of his heart. He cares about people very genuinely and that is obvious in his posts. There's about 10 times more bullshit for him to deal with.
His character is evidenced by his mountains of work. He stands on tens of thousands of hours working on Tinnitus Talk, because he cares about people, because he is one of those who used the fire in him in the right way. There was nothing like Tinnitus Talk when I first got tinnitus. Tinnitus Talk literally saved my life. I've seen first hand in group and team chats with Markku how clever he is. Any critique of his intellect or character is absurd.
@JohnAdams, you don't make an attempt to justify any of the claims made. I see you took some medical action in regards to tinnitus and I applaud you for that. I went for a clinical trial so I know how scary it is. I can also see your fire and passion. Let's just be sure a goal is actually being accomplished.
I'm seeing comments about people being uncomfortable posting because of the aggressive nature of some posts.
NO ONE SHOULD BE AFRAID OF POSTING HERE. So to whoever may be contributing to that, maybe self reflection is needed. I know things get contentious between people who believe you can habituate and those who believe you cannot. Both have a valid reason for coming to this place to try and connect with others who understand. I think this is the major point to get across to members on here. Sometimes you forget the other side is an actual human.
"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you."
-Friedrich W. Nietzsche-
Whatever fire this struggle sparked in you is only useful when targeted correctly. Otherwise its nature is to consume everything in until there's nothing left to destroy, and then finally burn out itself. Because if that's the case you are hurting people who are as scared and lost as you are. Fire can be powerful and effectuate great change when used as a tool.
"Truth is false in the mouths of certain people even when objectively true."
-Kierkegaard-
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