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Interesting that after JohnAdams makes a post attacking Markku and Hazel, he runs and hides when people call him out.

Instead of addressing the matter he just ran away from it, but will probably come back and act like nothing happened.

I don't hate JohnAdams, I think this "pope" status in MPP went to his head.
 
Interesting that after JohnAdams makes a post attacking Markku and Hazel, he runs and hides when people call him out.

Instead of addressing the matter he just ran away from it, but will probably come back and act like nothing happened.

I don't hate JohnAdams, I think this "pope" status in MPP went to his head.
I just assumed he got banned or something.
 
Yeah ok. A very good chiropractor was the only one to help me. Not by improving tinnitus but by putting some stuff back in place and also he found the chiari malformation on my mri that all the other doctors missed. He took the time to look at my situation, which was grim. He researched things in his own time and provided a number of answers in terms of pain and how to treat it. That's after physios and others misdiagnosed it for years.

Also I don't think anyone has said ENTs are monsters per se. They often are inept, incompetent, dismissive and cause a lot of damage to some. I personally don't think they're out to hurt people on purpose but a lot do and don't acknowledge it let alone care.

Everyone should be well informed before committing to any procedure or taking medications because doctors generally do not consider the risks and don't understand how they can affect people with tinnitus and other issues. It's up to us to drill them for info about ototoxicity and other adverse effects and if they don't provide it, to research ourselves.

I wasn't informed before medical professionals inflicted injuries on me. Then I woke up. It's been a long struggle to recover. You can blindly trust them, but sorry I won't be. It's not about being paranoid at all - it's about survival.
It sounds like your chiropractor is very knowledgeable and cares about their patients, and I'm glad they could help you! I'm sorry that you've had bad doctors hurt you in the past.

I do not mean that status quo is always better, I mean that "alternative" treatments carry risks as well and should be scrutinized just as hard. For example there is a risk with chiropractic of stroke/pulmonary embolism from blood clots being dislodges suddenly during adjustment. Having a responsible practitioner is very important.

What I do believe is that we should all be empowered about our health choices, whether it's about the natural supplements, drugs, or therapies we use to treat our health problems.
 
@MrCrybaby -- In some ways yes, in some ways no. It all depends on the practitioner and what their ethics and priorities are. Same goes for conventional medicine, which I think is even more messed up than alternative medicine. All you have to do is look at how many people die each year from taking prescription drugs as directed (I think it's about 100,000+ in the U.S.).

And how they push unnecessary tests, invent all kinds of super expensive procedures when much simpler solutions are far more appropriate. Prescribing drugs to patients they would never give to their family members, and much more. Everything is centered around making money, not delivering the best service for the best price. And you could write a book on some of their extreme arrogance and shameful bedside manner(s).
I agree, doctors and alternative practitioners deserve equal scrutiny.

What I don't like is a subset of practitioners who say that drinking piss, buying pricey supplements from THEM, violent and sudden chiropractic adjustments, very expensive Skype sessions where you have your "energy" read and other such practices are a solution for the ills of those suffering conditions science does not yet understand and medicine has not yet solved.
 
But until then people may try other things right? And when ENTs go like, "uhm that's weird, I'm clueless", then I lose faith in that they will help me. Because no doctor or ENT ever helped me so far.
I think people should do what they can to improve their condition. ENTs can only provide treatments that research has developed, and unfortunately for tinnitus it's not there yet in many cases. Keep in mind my response was to a video that claimed putting pee in your ears would cure tinnitus, that would be a reckless action to take.
 
I just assumed he got banned or something.
JohnAdams was not banned. Interestingly enough, he has at least a couple of times dared us to ban him, although with a nice unspecific threat attached to it if we did do that, e.g., in the form of some sort of meme (paraphrasing "Ban me and I shall become more powerful than you can imagine").

This weekend, the whole point of the exercise was to see if he's able to read people's feedback, acknowledge it, engage in some self-reflection and come out wanting to work with all of us.

Like I said in my previous post, I think he has many notable qualities, and I hope he's one of those transformative persons who become a stable of the community. It just can't be at the cost of other people starting to feel about him like many have expressed in this thread, or us having to spend numerous hours on his case. It's sobering to see what percentage of members' reports are about his posts, and this truly detracts us from being able to focus on other more fruitful matters. Hazel has desperately cried over JohnAdams' comments to her/us more than once (before this weekend). He has said some very hurtful stuff. To his credit, I do remember him apologizing once or twice as well.

It's overall pretty frustrating because John does not have all bad ideas. The FDA could streamline its processes, CBT should not get more funding, the flowchart was pretty awful, tinnitus sufferers should be more activist like. All that is excellent. And I want the whole community to support and engage in such advocacy. Tinnitus Talk is already leaps ahead of other communities, just go visit some other communities and you will see how some won't even allow research discussion because it's apparently bad for habituation. But we can always do better and try to form our troops more effectively. The problem is how John goes about it... If we did things like John apparently wants us to do, I doubt we'd get anyone on the Tinnitus Talk Podcast, I doubt we'd get to work with researchers to try and progress the field, or I doubt we'd be invited to write articles to Hearing Health, a magazine by Hearing Health Foundation - truly an amazing organization. How John expresses himself is so strong that it easily alienates people.

There must be a middle ground... maybe we're still finding it. We definitely don't want to be "YES MEN" - I for one am tired of the status quo and seeing some organizations stuck in their ways. Hazel is fully on board with me. That's why we want to try and be as reformative as possible.

For example, if anyone here has had an issue with BTA and their previous research priorities, you should let them know civilly. We know many Tinnitus Talk members have voiced their concerns previously, so we replied to their Tweet requesting questions for their research-based podcast due for release during Tinnitus Week.

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Finally, if at any point Tinnitus Talk members start thinking JohnAdams - or anyone else for that matter - would do a better job than me and Hazel, then that's our cue to bid farewell and maybe join a forum about sewing (which I've started enjoying after seeing Hazel do cool stuff). I'd gladly pass on the baton at a point when the community that has been the dearest to me for nearly a decade no longer sees us competent and worthy. It'd be the right thing to do to let the legacy of this community continue far into the future - well, hopefully not too far, as I'm really eager to hear silence (or at least less of this screaming) in my lifetime still.

Yours truly.
 
Interesting that after JohnAdams makes a post attacking Markku and Hazel, he runs and hides when people call him out.

Instead of addressing the matter he just ran away from it, but will probably come back and act like nothing happened.

I don't hate JohnAdams, I think this "pope" status in MPP went to his head.

I don't see where anyone called him out since his last post. I just see people expressing their thoughts. I like reading what @JohnAdams has to say about tinnitus.
 
maybe wrong thread but I was sent a .torrent file, can someone tell me how to work this? I can't play it on my Windows Media Player?
 
I don't hate JohnAdams, I think this "pope" status in MPP went to his head.
He didn't really think he was the "pope" of MPP, it's more like an anarchist collective.

He's very active. Sure he said something we didn't agree with, even me because I believe Markku and Hazel contribute a lot to the site. But mobbing him wasn't needed.
 
Sure he said something we didn't agree with, even me.
Well... actually he did more than just say something that we didn't agree with:
Hazel has desperately cried over JohnAdams' comments to her/us more than once (before this weekend). He has said some very hurtful stuff.
My hope is that John will refrain from this type of behavior in the future. That is, hurtful comments.

I hope that in the future any criticism he has of either of them, he'll do it respectfully and in private. Both @Markku and @Hazel have done so much more for us than most of us realize.

I actually do like @JohnAdams and hope that he comes back.
 
I'm NOT defending anything anyone said, but I don't agree people should continually talk about someone when they aren't present to defend themselves.

IMO this should have been handled between the aggrieved parties privately. I also disagree with how the curators of the board made this so public... you can agree or disagree.

If you run the forum you have admin controls to deal with "mean things." There are threads moved and deleted all the time without any input... so that is the curator's "hammer."

...people suffering lash out in different ways.

Just my $.02.
 
maybe wrong thread but I was sent a .torrent file, can someone tell me how to work this? I can't play it on my Windows Media Player?
A torrent file isn't played. It's a request for a peer to peer service to help send you a large file.
Websites use torrents to save bandwith.

Torrent software such as https://www.bittorrent.com/ allows you to send the request to download the file you want.
 
I'm NOT defending anything anyone said, but I don't agree people should continually talk about someone when they aren't present to defend themselves.

IMO this should have been handled between the aggrieved parties privately. I also disagree with how the curators of the board made this so public... you can agree or disagree.

If you run the forum you have admin controls to deal with "mean things." There are threads moved and deleted all the time without any input... so that is the curator's "hammer."

...people suffering lash out in different ways.

Just my $.02.

Your point is well taken. I'd like to respond on behalf of myself and @Markku, as forum managers.

Ordinarily, we would never take such a measure, and I do agree it's quite extreme. If I would see something like this on another forum where I was a member, I would have the exact same reaction as yourself. I can assure you that we did not take this measure lightly, and that there is no malice behind our act. Our only concern is the functioning of this forum, which was becoming severely threatened by the member in question.

In the eight-year history of this forum, we have NEVER received as many complaints about the conduct of a member as in this case. On a frequent basis arguments erupted where he would call other members names like "despicable human being" and many other insults I dare not even repeat here. Those posts were of course removed/edited.

We have in fact, as you suggested, spoken to the member privately, on many occasions over the past year or so. We have invested many, many hours trying to make him change his conduct and explain that he can express any opinion he wants, as long as it's done in a civil manner. This is the approach we've always taken with 'difficult' members, because as you rightly state, we are very cognizant that often people lash out because they are suffering, and we do not want to punish them for that, but rather work with them to find a better way to relate. We have always believed in second and third chances, rather than (as happens on most other forums) banning people outright when they cause trouble. This approach has on many occasions led to people coming around and becoming valued members of this community. Sadly, in this case, our efforts have failed.

In spite of all of the above, I would not blame you if you still think our public announcement was somewhat distasteful. I hope you can at least muster some sympathy for the fact that we are running this forum, on a volunteer basis, having put in literally thousands of hours of our spare time to make this a supportive and welcoming environment for all. So, if our frustration with the extreme misconduct of a member got the better of us, well, we're only human. On top of that, the member in question has both publicly and privately made many false allegations against us; the most hurtful one the suggestion that we are somehow in this for personal gain. Again, we have spoken many times to him privately to explain our point of view, but it seems to make no difference. A limit had been reached. I cannot say whether what we did was right or wrong, only that we felt it was our last option, apart from a ban, which we – even in this extreme case – always try to avoid if we can.

I hope I've explained our side of it somewhat to your satisfaction. Please know how much we appreciate and value members like yourself; who try to see the good in everyone and come here just to support and positively engage with others. A big thanks to you and all members like you who have made this community what it is today!

Since it seems that @JohnAdams has removed himself from this discussion, and we agree that one-sidedly criticizing him is unfair, we would suggest that the discussion ends here. Let's let MPP get back to its daily business: shitposting in the name of science ;)
Finally, if at any point Tinnitus Talk members start thinking JohnAdams - or anyone else for that matter - would do a better job than me and Hazel, then that's our cue to bid farewell and maybe join a forum about sewing (which I've started enjoying after seeing Hazel do cool stuff). I'd gladly pass on the baton at a point when the community that has been the dearest to me for nearly a decade no longer sees us competent and worthy. It'd be the right thing to do to let the legacy of this community continue far into the future - well, hopefully not too far, as I'm really eager to hear silence (or at least less of this screaming) in my lifetime still.
Just to note, and because Markku is too modest to draw attention to this himself, he has spent 2-3 hours per day for 9 years soon, moderating and maintaining this forum. Every. single. day. Even when sick, dealing with family crises, etc. Always here to keep the community running, without receiving any payment for it. People often don't realise what it takes to keep a site like this functional.

Advice or even criticism on how we manage this forum is always welcome, and indeed we'd be more than willing to take new managers on board (happy to get some fresh blood in fact!). Anyone is free to put themselves forward for this. But... they would have to be willing to spend every single day on this for years to come, without getting paid for it. Just as Markku has been doing selflessly for nine years soon.
 
Your point is well taken. I'd like to respond on behalf of myself and @Markku, as forum managers.

Ordinarily, we would never take such a measure, and I do agree it's quite extreme. If I would see something like this on another forum where I was a member, I would have the exact same reaction as yourself. I can assure you that we did not take this measure lightly, and that there is no malice behind our act. Our only concern is the functioning of this forum, which was becoming severely threatened by the member in question.

In the eight-year history of this forum, we have NEVER received as many complaints about the conduct of a member as in this case. On a frequent basis arguments erupted where he would call other members names like "despicable human being" and many other insults I dare not even repeat here. Those posts were of course removed/edited.

We have in fact, as you suggested, spoken to the member privately, on many occasions over the past year or so. We have invested many, many hours trying to make him change his conduct and explain that he can express any opinion he wants, as long as it's done in a civil manner. This is the approach we've always taken with 'difficult' members, because as you rightly state, we are very cognizant that often people lash out because they are suffering, and we do not want to punish them for that, but rather work with them to find a better way to relate. We have always believed in second and third chances, rather than (as happens on most other forums) banning people outright when they cause trouble. This approach has on many occasions led to people coming around and becoming valued members of this community. Sadly, in this case, our efforts have failed.

In spite of all of the above, I would not blame you if you still think our public announcement was somewhat distasteful. I hope you can at least muster some sympathy for the fact that we are running this forum, on a volunteer basis, having put in literally thousands of hours of our spare time to make this a supportive and welcoming environment for all. So, if our frustration with the extreme misconduct of a member got the better of us, well, we're only human. On top of that, the member in question has both publicly and privately made many false allegations against us; the most hurtful one the suggestion that we are somehow in this for personal gain. Again, we have spoken many times to him privately to explain our point of view, but it seems to make no difference. A limit had been reached. I cannot say whether what we did was right or wrong, only that we felt it was our last option, apart from a ban, which we – even in this extreme case – always try to avoid if we can.

I hope I've explained our side of it somewhat to your satisfaction. Please know how much we appreciate and value members like yourself; who try to see the good in everyone and come here just to support and positively engage with others. A big thanks to you and all members like you who have made this community what it is today!

Since it seems that @JohnAdams has removed himself from this discussion, and we agree that one-sidedly criticizing him is unfair, we would suggest that the discussion ends here. Let's let MPP get back to its daily business: shitposting in the name of science ;)
It's hard to shitpost In the name of science without the resident biologist.
 
Interesting that after JohnAdams makes a post attacking Markku and Hazel, he runs and hides when people call him out.

Instead of addressing the matter he just ran away from it, but will probably come back and act like nothing happened.

I don't hate JohnAdams, I think this "pope" status in MPP went to his head.
Once a coward always a coward.
 
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45 minutes?! Amateurs! I've spent every waking moment of the last 6 months in a soundproof cabin situated in an isolated room, with earplugs and earmuffs - and yes, I've been able to hear my heartbeat or "blood flowing". What surprised me the most, though, was being able to hear my extraocular muscles when moving my eyes. It kind of sounds like someone is knocking at the door.
 
I'm NOT defending anything anyone said, but I don't agree people should continually talk about someone when they aren't present to defend himself.
My last comment on the matter:

He left the forum of his on accord. When this all went down he stopped coming here to avoid it instead of responding to people. He wasn't banned from responding, he chose not to respond.

That was his decision, so since he had the ability to defend himself but didn't, this isn't one sided.
 
https://www.ghacks.net/2012/08/05/so-what-is-a-torrent-exactly/

Torrents are kind of a pain. In my experience they can take too long to download. You might want to ask yourself whether or not it's worth the trouble first lol.
A torrent file isn't played. It's a request for a peer to peer service to help send you a large file.
Websites use torrents to save bandwith.

Torrent software such as https://www.bittorrent.com/ allows you to send the request to download the file you want.
Thank you this worked for me but it's still downloading and very slow yes.
 
This is the last of it I swear lol

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Instead of addressing the matter
What I suggest going forward if he slides back to his old ways is for us to either start flagging his posts or setting him on ignore.
...people suffering lash out in different ways.
At some point people need to be held accountable for their behavior rather than making excuses for them. Consider a thread like this akin to an intervention.
 
I'm suffering horribly, the only thing I'm doing is an art project with
@JulianBrumbelow before I off myself.
Are you suffering from tinnitus or hyperacusis? Which got worse recently? Is it limiting you?
 

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