My Trip to Bangkok: Stem Cell Treatment [Comments]

[bill 112]

If you were famous I bet you'd be cured already bill...

Amen to that.

 

[BBApple]

I agree with the success stories part but these women were the real deal,I spoke with one of them via Skype so she was indeed an authentic Stemcell patient.

LLLT has failed for me,I didn't notice anything substantial from it apart from it making my ear warm.

I often wonder why the celebs aren't doing it too,but maybe they are and we just don't hear about it.They spend millions on their appearance alone so then getting this treatment wouldn't be out of the question to me.
As for Shatner or Chris Martin it's hard to say,but judging by interviews of them talking about their T they seem fully habituated to it or just aren't aware of these potential treatments.If I had stable T that didn't bother me in the slightest and that I could live my life with it then I too wouldn't even consider getting this treatment,I had fully habituated to my T for three years and was willing to live the rest of my life like that no problem at all,but when H arrived in 2014 and then drastically worsened in 2016 living a life is no longer feasible to me anymore hence why I'm going ahead with this treatment.

I have nothing to lose at this point,I contemplate ending it everyday so this gives me a chance at improvement regardless of how small that chance may be.

I do appreciate the concern though and I understand where your coming from,funny thing is if I come back with an amazing success story I'd wager nearly everyone here would be queuing up to go lol.

You're right on all counts!

I had stable T for 9 years and often used to think I didn't care if a cure was found as it just wasn't an issue for me anymore.

Then things changed in October when reactivity started and progressively worsened. Every person's T is different as well as its effect on their quality of life.

You're absolutely right. If you come back cured, many of us would likely follow.

 

[Hopeful1]

If it works for bill i will be next in the queue for stemcells.

 

[lambos]

Are there any Stem Cell clinics in North America?...i thought i read of one in New York!..TIA

 

[bill 112]

Can someone give me a clear idea of how this might actually help?

I keep researching what they believe to be wrong with us and I just can't see how sticking SC's in your blood would help?Am I missing something?

For instance,synapses,haircell death,SGN's its a lot for this treatment to correct,I'm just beginning to doubt myself now

 

[Samantha R]

@lambos yes there are plenty in the US. They use adipose stem cells. The clinic in NY noted a handful of patients who came in to receive treatment for other ailments, noticed an improvement in their tinnitus following treatment.

 

[Hopeful1]

@Samantha R

Thanks

 

[RaZaH]

$32,500 for 60,000,000 umbilical cord Stemcells with a 7 day treatment plan.

That is obviously a lot of money for something that only has tiny chance of doing anything.
Not a lot of money if it were guaranteed to work though.

And in fact , if i am correct , the ones here that have done this have not had any result to speak of , maybe ATEOS but that is one person , and that one is a maybe.

 

[bill 112]

That is obviously a lot of money for something that only has tiny chance of doing anything.
Not a lot of money if it were guaranteed to work though.

And in fact , if i am correct , the ones here that have done this have not had any result to speak of , maybe ATEOS but that is one person , and that one is a maybe.

Have to say Razah,after you've been in contact with these clinics they rub you up the complete wrong way,saying things like"100% safe"which it's not and saying things like this in broken English"we will treat you and you can hear clearer and more normally and have better quality of life"which they can't quarantee,they know this as on the health check sheet they send you there's a little box you have to tick that says"you know this is a treatment and not a cure and has no quarantees"

There are a few red flags popping up with every single one I contact and it's worrying,also the lack of success isn't exactly hope inspiring,ATEOS seen improvement but as you said it's just a maybe.I have another few clinics to check out one being in NYC that actually seem,on the face of it,to be very honest when it comes to the treatment.Time will tell.

 

[VRZ78]

Have to say Razah,after you've been in contact with the clinics they rub you up the complete wrong way,saying things like"100% safe"which it's not and saying things like this in broken English"we will treat you and you can hear clearer and more normally and have better quality of life"which they can't quarantee,they know this as on the health check sheet they send you there's a little box you have to tick that says"you know this is a treatment and not a cure and has no quarantees"

There are a few red flags popping up with every single one I contact and it's worrying,also the lack of success isn't exactly hope inspiring,ATEOS seen improvement but as you said it's just a maybe.I have another few clinics to check out one being in NYC that actually seem,on the face of it,to be very honest when it comes to the treatment.Time will tell.

It's strange because on the website of SC21 they never state for any of the diseases they treat that it will cure them. For example for T they say it may soften it or sometimes make it disappear.

But it's true that none of those clinics inspire total confidence. It's a huge risk...

But if it was me I wouldn't try clinics in USA. They can only use your own stem cell as they are not allowed anything else.

 

[RaZaH]

There was this Korean guy that did at least demonstrate some results in audiograms?
Found this somewhere on the forum , maybe even in this thread.
Maybe someone can pitch in with info about that?

 

[RaZaH]

If you could hear "clearer" they would probably have some audiograms do show that ? Do they ?

 

[bill 112]

If you could hear "clearer" they would probably have some audiograms do show that ? Do they ?

The sceptic in me wouldn't believe their audiograms,what's to stop them screwing the results to make it look like a huge success and a good investment?Thats how I look at things,always with a sceptical eye.

Besides my hearing is good,it's unbearable T and H that's my problem which I believe is a result of synapses.

I have zero loss from 0-10,000hz and can still hear frequencies up to 16000hz quite easily.Sine wave tests showed zero dips in my hearing also.

 

[bill 112]

If you could hear "clearer" they would probably have some audiograms do show that ? Do they ?

The guy I spoke to asked me to bring my own set of recent audiograms to Bangkok with me,didn't know what to make of that if I'm honest.

He also gave me an email address to a guy who was successfully treated for T there.I tracked the email address back to a company in the U.K that specialises in aircon equipment along many other things.

I don't want to give out his name or personal info for obvious reasons but as of yet I haven't heard back from him,for all I know the same people running SC21 are probably running this business also,more digging to do.

 

[bill 112]

There was this Korean guy that did at least demonstrate some results in audiograms?
Found this somewhere on the forum , maybe even in this thread.
Maybe someone can pitch in with info about that?

I done minimal research on him(Korean guy),all I've found is pictures of him with other known scientists like Stefan Heller and the likes.Anything else I found was in Korean,there's another member here whose been following him and has way more info than I do.

 

[bill 112]

It's strange because on the website of SC21 they never state for any of the diseases they treat that it will cure them. For example for T they say it may soften it or sometimes make it disappear.

But it's true that none of those clinics inspire total confidence. It's a huge risk...

But if it was me I wouldn't try clinics in USA. They can only use your own stem cell as they are not allowed anything else.

I have the email,they speak overly optimistic about the outcome of these procedures even though there's little data to back them up.

When I had a call with the representative there he started naming out people who seen improvement from DJ's to construction workers,it's all anecdotal but as I said above he did give me an email address to a person treated there successfully,be interesting to see how that turns out.

 

[VRZ78]

There was this Korean guy that did at least demonstrate some results in audiograms?
Found this somewhere on the forum , maybe even in this thread.
Maybe someone can pitch in with info about that?

Yeah he has been discussed in the hair cell regeneration thread there are a lot of info and a mail.
I think he's worth the try if there is nothing else...

 

[GregCA]

Wasn't @monacco going to get a treatment in Bangkok? It looks like his account on here disappeared too...!?

 

[bill 112]

Yeah he has been discussed in the hair cell regeneration thread there are a lot of info and a mail.
I think he's worth the try if there is nothing else...

What does he purpose to do?What sets him apart from everyone else?I mean if Heller can't do it then why should he?

Just things to think about,it was an honour for him to meet Heller a leading researcher into hearing loss who as of yet hasn't regenerated hearing in a single human so how does this guy think he has all the answers?From meeting Heller once for a brief period of time?

That's just the way my mind works when it comes to these sort of things.

 

[VRZ78]

Mail of the Korean guy: info@cmclinics.com
His website http://cmclinics.com/
This is his international website it's a bit shitty he has an official website in Korean which is more professional but the link is lost in the research thread.
I mailed him and he told me that the treatment consists in intrathympanic injections of stem cells + growth factors. Price is 6000 USD

 

[VRZ78]

What does he purpose to do?What sets him apart from everyone else?I mcregulation why should he?

Just things to think about,it was an honour for him to meet Heller a leading researcher into hearing loss who as of yet hasn't regenerated hearing in a single human so how does this guy think he has all the answers?From meeting Heller once for a brief period of time?

That's just the way my mind works when it comes to these sort of things.

As I understand University researchers aren't allowed to use treatment in humans or they have to go with a lot of administrative regulations. Treatment on humans are most often done in collaboration with a company as part of clinical trials.
Plus treatments on humans are expensive so they need funds.

I'm not a scientist so I'm not really sure but that's what I gathered from readings...

So maybe there are less regulations in South Korea.

 

[VRZ78]

What sets him apart is that he seems to have visited or collaborated with respected researchers and that he has a lot of audiograms on his website to show improvements.
Cons is that we haven't read patient testamony but we didn't find a Korean speaking person to help. Also some stuff on his website are cheap like "best Regenerative clinic in the world" and the improvements on the audiograms are not huge.

 

[RaZaH]

Yes, some of the audiograms are impressive m some within error margins and could just be flukes, (5db improvement for example) and some actually look worse , again by 5 db or so , could be error margins?
At least his audiograms dont seem to be hyped up fakes.

 

[bill 112]

The price doesn't sound too bad if I'm honest,6k compared to 35k is nothing to be sniffed at.

I'm going to do more digging on him and see what I can find,it's difficult as nearly everything is in Korean.

 

[VRZ78]

Yes, some of thtreatmentsms are impressive m some within error margins and could just be flukes, (5db improvement for example) and some actually look worse , again by 5 db or so , could be error margins?
At least his audiograms dont seem to be hyped up fakes.

Yeah he seems to use more the speech tests in his latest treatments.
I guess there is a margin of error in that too like if it's always the same words in the test I guess

 

[bill 112]

Mail of the Korean guy: info@cmclinics.com
His website http://cmclinics.com/
This is his international website it's a bit shitty he has an official website in Korean which is more professional but the link is lost in the research thread.
I mailed him and he told me that the treatment consists in intrathympanic injections of stem cells + growth factors. Price is 6000 USD

I just emailed him too,hopefully he will get back to me soon.

I'm actually considering doing this treatment,the cost isn't too much and he does seem to have credible credentials.Ill try anything at this point.

 

[bill 112]

I just emailed him too,hopefully he will get back to me soon.

I'm actually considering doing this treatment,the cost isn't too much and he does seem to have credible credentials.Ill try anything at this point.

I'm emailing him now as we speak,so far he's impressed me.

He isn't trying to sell me anything,he's asking me questions to ascertain whether he can help me or not which is comforting as it tells me it isn't about money to this guy.
Just thought I would post a little update.

 

[lambos]

Thanks Samantha!!....i had also heard of a Stem Cell center in Mississippi.

 

[Samantha R]

@lambos. Yeah, there are quite a few clinics around the US.
Due to FDA regulations, they are limited to what they can do.
Thailand - not as much restriction.

 

[lymebite]

Yeah, there are quite a few clinics around the US.

@lambos
@Samantha R
@bill 112

This Excel spreadsheet lists many of the stem cell clinics in the United States.

http://www.cell.com/cms/attachment/2062931415/2065421495/mmc2.xlsx