New University of Michigan Tinnitus Discovery — Signal Timing

[Jiri]

If realy this device will help us, £4495 is nothing

I disagree with that notion. It is still a rip off and many people with tinnitus will not be able to afford it at that price (then they might add consultations that will cost you extra couple £ hundreds, like the first assessment etc.)

If it proves effective in treating chronic tinnitus it should be accessible for everybody. Period. Health insurance companies e.g. could contribute to it so the final price is more affordable and you don't have to take a loan.

Not everybody has a perfect social security and a Merc Benz parked in their garage, so if £4495 is nothing to you then you're a lucky guy in that respect.

 

[crd3]

I disagree with that notion. It is still a rip off and many people with tinnitus will not be able to afford it at that price (then they might add consultations that will cost you extra couple £ hundreds, like the first assessment etc.)

If it proves effective in treating chronic tinnitus it should be accessible for everybody. Period. Health insurance companies e.g. could contribute to it so the final price is more affordable and you don't have to take a loan.

Not everybody has a perfect social security and a Merc Benz parked in their garage, so if £4495 is nothing to you then you're a lucky guy in that respect.

This device has been 20 years in the making and provides relief for a condition which previously had next to none. I think that price would be fair for the hypothetical gain. If you're truly suffering and the device really provides significant relief, I think you'd find a way to get the cash.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

If really this device will help us, £4495 is nothing

Maybe not to you, but many people, myself included, don't have that amount of money and will never have it.

 

[threefirefour]

Maybe not to you, but many people, myself included, don't have that amount of money and will never have it.

Me too but if it's that good, I guarantee you I'll come up with the money no matter what.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

Me too but if it's that good, I guarantee you I'll come up with the money no matter what.

How exactly? Stealing?! tax fraud!?

 

[crd3]

How exactly? Stealing?! tax fraud!?

Saving? Selling? Asking for help? GoFundMes? Better job? Better healthcare plan?

 

[h-m-1994]

How exactly? Stealing?! tax fraud!?

Opening an investment bank account would be a start. I'm planning on saving some money for it in case it is that much, and if it doesn't, then there's more money in the bank!

 

[threefirefour]

How exactly? Stealing?! tax fraud!?

Colder

Saving? Selling? Asking for help? GoFundMes? Better job? Better healthcare plan?

Warmer

 

[TheDanishGirl]

Saving? Selling? Asking for help? GoFundMes? Better job? Better healthcare plan?

Saving: not possible with my income, I barely have enough to live and pay rent
Selling: I have nothing of value
Asking for help: My whole family and my friends are of the poor kind.
GoFundMes: don't know what that is.
Better job: I cant work full hours because of tinnitus and other mental issues
Healthcare plan: Not sure what you mean

Really, it's great that you are so fortunate that you can find the money, but some of us can't, so please dont be arrogant and assume that everybody can find the money, cause that is not the case.

If they truly want to help people and relieve them of their suffering, and not just those with money, then they will make this device more affordable. If they make the device expensive, I don't believe they have any deepfelt desire to help people.

 

[crd3]

Really, it's great that you are so fortunate that you can find the money, but some of us can't, so please dont be arrogant and assume that everybody can find the money, cause that is not the case.

If it's what the device is worth, it's what it's worth. There is high demand for this device and if it works as advertised, no real substitute. I think it's important that people have access to it, but I also think that the creators should get royalties for their hard work.

GoFundMe is just an online fundraiser site.

It could also get cheaper with time, new products are always more expensive.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

Btw I found this article the other day, where a German doctor claims to be able to cure tinnitus with what sounds like Susan Shore's device/method: talking of overactive cells and stimulating them with electric wires... The article is from Denmark and from 2008.

It makes me discouraged. It was not successful back then, so why should it be now... at least that is what I am thinking, Hope I am proven wrong of course.

Link to article translated to English: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=da&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&u=https://politiken.dk/viden/art5027873/Tinnitus-ofre-kan-reddes&edit-text=&act=url

 

[Jiri]

100% agreed with what TheDanishGirl said. Think of hard-up students (with student loans already), families who got kids, mortgages, other bills to pay, people who are less fortunate and still have to provide for themselves and the list goes on

In the opening video it's said about $2.26 Billion projected costs in the U.S. for the treatment of tinnitus. This would differ from country to country and I'm no expert but it would make sense if governmental instutions decided to contribute a considerable sum of money so that the final price of the device would be more affordable.

Keep in mind it's said 1 out of 10 people in the world suffers from tinnitus. It'd only make sense. I'm all for

the creators should get royalties for their hard work.

but with so many people suffering out there it would only be fair to make it less pricey.

I know of people who lost their jobs because of T. That leads to not being able to pay your rent, no food on the table, end of relationships, depression, anxiety, pain..

I just want it to be accessible to the general public.

 

[dpdx]

100% agreed with what TheDanishGirl said. Think of hard-up students (with student loans already), families who got kids, mortgages, other bills to pay, people who are less fortunate and still have to provide for themselves and the list goes on

In the opening video it's said about $2.26 Billion projected costs in the U.S. for the treatment of tinnitus. This would differ from country to country and I'm no expert but it would make sense if governmental instutions decided to contribute a considerable sum of money so that the final price of the device would be more affordable.

Keep in mind it's said 1 out of 10 people in the world suffers from tinnitus. It'd only make sense. I'm all for

but with so many people suffering out there it would only be fair to make it less pricey.

I know of people who lost their jobs because of T. That leads to not being able to pay your rent, no food on the table, end of relationships, depression, anxiety, pain.. I'm sure you get the picture.

I just want it to be accessible to the general public.

You nailed it!

 

[crd3]

Btw I found this article the other day, where a German doctor claims to be able to cure tinnitus with what sounds like Susan Shore's device/method: talking of overactive cells and stimulating them with electric wires... The article is from Denmark and from 2008.

It makes me discouraged. It was not successful back then, so why should it be now... at least that is what I am thinking, Hope I am proven wrong of course.

Link to article translated to English: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=da&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&u=https://politiken.dk/viden/art5027873/Tinnitus-ofre-kan-reddes&edit-text=&act=url

It seems this guy was only using magnetic stimulation without the audio component, which as I understand isn't any better than audio without physical stimulation. Also, Shore's device uses electric pulses rather than magnetism. I wouldn't be too worried yet.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

It seems this guy was only using magnetic stimulation without the audio component, which as I understand isn't any better than audio without physical stimulation. Also, Shore's device uses electric pulses rather than magnetism. I wouldn't be too worried yet.

Oh, okay, i see....I just thought it sounded very much like Susan Shore's approach.

 

[Paulmanlike]

Oh, okay, i see....I just thought it sounded very much like Susan Shore's approach.

Sandra I thought you was from Denmark? I thought that your socialist country had a great healthcare system/free at point of use, you never know the Danes might pay for your treatment. I love Denmark. Great country.

 

[Adriel93]

How would we even get this device? Would we have to see our ent for this?

 

[threefirefour]

How would we even get this device? Would we have to see our ent for this?

Most likely an audiologist.

 

[Kratos]

The only thing I'm worried about (apart from the device actually being able to do its job) is the final price of the product. I hope it won't be priced anywhere near as riduculous as Acoustic CR® Neuromodulation (£4495) *rip off

There's NO WAY I'm paying that unless I'm 100% sure it works by trying it before (paying for individual sessions of use of the machine or something like that).

 

[MickV]

Who says the device works?! The trial lasted only 4 weeks. That is not enough indication

 

[crd3]

Who says the device works?! The trial lasted only 4 weeks. That is not enough indication

That's why they're having a bigger trial.

 

[threefirefour]

Who says the device works?! The trial lasted only 4 weeks. That is not enough indication

Exactly what I thought. And I thought this was the main issue with the original trial. Hopefully, it shows huge gains in the bigger trial this Autumn.

 

[MickV]

I find it stupid when people argue on the price while we do not know if it even works!!!
Let's talk in 5 years.

 

[crd3]

I find it stupid when people argue on the price while we do not know if it even works!!!
Let's talk in 5 years.

Agreed. I was speaking with regards to the hypothetical situation that it did work.

 

[Benoves]

If really this device will help us, £4495 is nothing

If it works I will happily pay that 10 times whitout any doubt. And that's just why is will be expensive in the beginning. Maybe it is covered by insurance.

 

[MickV]

I will sell my car and work in 2 jobs if it works and allows us to hear complete silence! This device was mentioned back in 2013. And we are still not there yet. I just do not want to get disappointed.

Let's wait and see!
In my opinion in 5 years we will be very close to understanding tinnitus to the fullest.

 

[crd3]

I will sell my car and work in 2 jobs if it works and allows us to hear complete silence! This device was mentioned back in 2013. And we are still not there yet. I just do not want to get disappointed.

Let's wait and see!
In my opinion in 5 years we will be very close to understanding tinnitus to the fullest.

It's been in development for over 20 years from what I understand. These things take time. But the more time they spend getting it right, the more likely it is to provide results. I would think think that if it really didn't show substantial promise, they wouldn't have wasted all that time and money on it.

 

[NoBigDeal]

Do we know which kind of sound is used in this treatment ?
Is it a notch sound minus tinnitus frequency ?

(Sorry if this has already been asked before)

 

[Paulmanlike]

Do we know which kind of sound is used in this treatment ?
Is it a notch sound minus tinnitus frequency ?

(Sorry if this has already been asked before)

Notched wet farts

 

[Adriel93]

@Paulmanlike hahahahahhaha