Member- Dec 3, 2022
- 247
- Tinnitus Since
- 2012. Worsened 2022.
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Primarily loud music. Secondary - ETD + TMJ
New University of Michigan Tinnitus Discovery — Signal Timing
- Thread starter Hudson
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You could well be right, but they are also actively hiring bio-med and other engineers right now. The job descriptions mention developing next-gen devices.
- Oct 29, 2023
- 160
- Tinnitus Since
- 09/2023
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Concert/Acoustic Trauma
Well the difference is now there's an actual company involved from my understanding. They'll need our money eventually lol.
SarahMLFlemmer
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- Feb 2, 2023
- 189
- 36
- Tinnitus Since
- 11/20/2022
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Accutane (withdrawl)
6 months would be great... I think it's going to be at least a year after FDA approval.
Apologies, folks. What I meant by 6 months was it'll only 6 six months to find out if it's effective or not, once it does come out. There's no more brutal test subjects than us lot and we shoot from the hip, so you can forget real world data, just come to this thread 6 months after it's been launched in America to determine if it actually works or not!
Definitely. And test subjects showed improvement after as little as 4 weeks.
But 6-12 months should answer any questions about who it can treat and how well.
RunningMan
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- May 8, 2023
- 557
- Tinnitus Since
- HiFrq ~2000, Increased 2022, LoFrq ~2020
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Loud noise - clubs, stereos, cycles, headphones, engines,etc
That makes more sense with the timeline. Hopefully it doesn't trickle out too slowly once it's launched. Wide scale availability in the U.S. could get dragged out quite a bit longer - maybe a couple years from now. Also we have to be aware there's going to be some placebo effect, at least temporarily, for some people who aren't really helped by the device.
AfroSnowman
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- Jul 23, 2019
- 1,071
- Tinnitus Since
- 04/2019
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Nonnatural energy source
Was there anything in the study that indicated efficacy for severe tinnitus as opposed to more moderate cases?
I am so fed up waiting for Dr. Shore's device. I just may not live until it is available. These people do not seem serious or competent. Probably taking their sweet time to burn through investors' money as they pay their salaries. The device may be out eventually but perhaps it will be a similar flop to Lenire. Maybe a little better. Some people will be helped, most won't.
- Dec 3, 2022
- 247
- Tinnitus Since
- 2012. Worsened 2022.
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Primarily loud music. Secondary - ETD + TMJ
Unless specific data points are released, I don't think we'll ever really know the specifics to that level.
I'm trying to look at this device from a high level, there's plenty of great low level analysis already on this thread.
I do believe that tinnitus comes around from maladaptive neuroplasticity. Something somewhere gives up and lets the tinnitus through in some people, but not in others. The specific causal reasons behind tinnitus are inconsequential at a high level.
I think this device slowly but surely introduces positive neuroplasticity back into the malfunctioning circuit. Tinnitus generally gradually appears in patients and gets louder and louder as this circuit malfunctions more and more. In other cases it's a light switch. Boom, loud tinnitus all of a sudden. I believe this is the point where the brain can no longer deal with this malfunction and lets all of the previously filtered out noise through.
If we use the device for a few weeks and see an improvement, the majority of the circuit is still malfunctioning. So if we stop using it, the 'fixed' parts will follow this maladaptive behaviour and return to produce tinnitus. If we use it long enough (6 months, a year, three years?) this positive plasticity becomes the new learned behaviour within the whole circuit and the effects become permanent. Just as the maladaptive behaviour became permanent at one point.
Think of temporary tinnitus after a concert. The brain generally deals with it in 24 hours. But if you keep inducing that behaviour, eventually the damage leads to it becoming learned within the circuit and you develop tinnitus. Some people will have the hearing loss without the tinnitus, because for some reason this behaviour doesn't become learned.
If the mis-firing cells is accurate as proposed by Dr. Shore, then there is no reason their timing can't be permanently fixed in a beneficial way either. So it really might not matter how severe your tinnitus is, that just might mean more of your circuit needs fixed than someone with moderate tinnitus and so it'll take a bit longer.
Copium? Maybe. High expectations? Probably. But when you look at it from a high level, if this device works at all, there's no reason it can't work in this way.
So I read the latest paper by Dr. Shore. I don't see any mention what nerve is being stimulated. This has been asked in this thread without good answers. Vagus? Cervical?
This is the picture from an article about Dr. Shore's device:
What nerve/nerves are there? Is someone good with anatomy?
I have a hard time understanding where the magic sauce of the device is vs. other bimodal stimulation methods using the vagus nerve and sound.
I am increasingly suspicious this is yet another bullshit.
P.S. From this article:
This is the picture from an article about Dr. Shore's device:
What nerve/nerves are there? Is someone good with anatomy?
I have a hard time understanding where the magic sauce of the device is vs. other bimodal stimulation methods using the vagus nerve and sound.
I am increasingly suspicious this is yet another bullshit.
P.S. From this article:
So the location of electrical stimulation would vary patient-to-patient? How so? That's really weird. Maybe stupidly written article.
I think that instead of making assumptions (positive or negative), it would be more helpful if everyone consulted Dr. Shore's patent.
- Dec 3, 2022
- 247
- Tinnitus Since
- 2012. Worsened 2022.
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Primarily loud music. Secondary - ETD + TMJ
I checked the patent and found:
The method of claim 4, further comprising applying the somatosensory stimulation signal to the subject by applying stimulation to a trigeminal nerve of the subject via facial stimulation or a cervical spinal nerve of the subject to stimulate the somatosensory system.
All the pictures of trigeminal nerve I am finding do not show it there, nor do the others.
Cervical spinal nerve is more like it, it seems.
Right, maybe the dorsal is there, but trigeminal nerve is around jaw.
Speaking of trigeminal, I get new tone when I open my jaw wide, separate from my "normal" tinnitus. It's loud and consistent, but only when the jaw is open wide. So this part is very somatic. I wonder what it means for me regarding Shore's device efficacy.
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I spoke to an audiologist today and she said the device is not coming out for years.
- Oct 29, 2023
- 160
- Tinnitus Since
- 09/2023
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Concert/Acoustic Trauma
I also believe that it's another American scam. There is no dosage to how much their "scientists" and "entrepreneurs" can lie. Look at all these US-based companies having good results for first two trials and failing the third one, and with each trial taking at least 1.5 years, they are getting their salaries for a minimum of 3-5 years before admitting the truth.
Just take a look at the starting date of this thread. Take a look at the Frequency Therapeutics thread.
I know that a lot of you will attack me after posting this comment, but this is the reality and such devices will not work for tinnitus. Some might mention that Dr. Shore is a scientist, and yes, research such as this topic also receive funding from universities and governments. The guy from Frequency Therapeutics was an "MIT" graduate, right?
Why are we not surprised? The device "will come out" when the last cent of their funding is finished, or the device will fail its final trial and never come out.
I just wonder what the point of all these layman's discussions going on here is.
That's my worry behind my other comment, about taking time while paying their salaries. Frequency Therapeutics was a purposefully planned scam. Granted they went public, made a lot of noise, and raised funding to run their scheme. Auricle sitting tight and being privately funded gives some hope that the product might be legit for a change.
I don't know, I am just frustrated.
UHPTS
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- Jan 28, 2020
- 196
- Tinnitus Since
- 10/2019
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Taking drugs on penile fracture
Even though we know that Auricle device is a scam, we prefer to live with some hope. It's easier that way.
It doesn't really have the hallmarks of a scam though, does it? 20+ years of research, let by a renowned scientist, headquartered in California with an equally solid business and strategy team behind it that seem to be following all legit processes, several promising clinical trials published in respected scientific journals etc.
I also think they are aware that people with tinnitus are HIGHLY suspicious about treatments (case in point
), so I'm sure they don't think we're easy 'targets' to sell something that doesn't work.
At the very least I don't think you can say with certainty it's a scam! Unless you know something I don't
As for the layman's discussions, yes, some of the things posted on this thread is speculation and stream of consciousness' thoughts, but I've picked up several interesting links and bits of information about the device's progress through here.
I think if there is a development, we'll hear it here first (no pun intended).
I also think they are aware that people with tinnitus are HIGHLY suspicious about treatments (case in point
), so I'm sure they don't think we're easy 'targets' to sell something that doesn't work.At the very least I don't think you can say with certainty it's a scam! Unless you know something I don't
As for the layman's discussions, yes, some of the things posted on this thread is speculation and stream of consciousness' thoughts, but I've picked up several interesting links and bits of information about the device's progress through here.
I think if there is a development, we'll hear it here first (no pun intended).
She doesn't know any more than you or I do. She's speculating. That's practically all this thread is, just speculation. Some are more informed than others however!
To think that Auricle or Dr. Shore's work is a scam, is preposterous. This is decades worth of research. It would be the world's most idiotic long con. They know tinnitus patients would quickly spread word if the device doesn't work. It's not an automatic millionaire maker when it's not even out yet. And they are privately funded with not that much money apparently so I bet they are bootstrapping it with very little salary if any for now.
I understand we're all pessimistic by now with all the failed treatments but god almighty, can we at least have some common sense and not call things scams when they so obviously are not?
I understand we're all pessimistic by now with all the failed treatments but god almighty, can we at least have some common sense and not call things scams when they so obviously are not?