Shore will lose out to someone who can commercialize sooner. But yes, someone will make money which we will gladly pay for some potential relief. It would be unfortunate if Dr Shore drops the ball and watches someone get a similar device on the market before she does, but that is capitalism. May the first and/or Best device win!!! Our wallets are waiting for the chance. If this thing is real of course. The lack of uptake by a commercial partner so far makes me doubt this device is the real deal. The jury is still out on this "shock & awe" gadget. Maybe the "screech & zap"? This thing needs a catchy name.
New University of Michigan Tinnitus Discovery — Signal Timing
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I have been wondering the same thing. The only time I feel a change in my tinnitus is only when I am yawning. And this change corresponds only to one of my tones. I was also wondering if, for establishing a treatment plan with this, you first need to track down your tinnitus frequency. In my case that is impossible due to the complexity of my tones. In any case, we have to wait and see when hopefully this will be available.
- May 16, 2017
- 3,754
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- 04/2011
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- Syringing + Somatic tinnitus from dental work
Many of the well known researchers have said for years that 70 -80% of those with tinnitus have somatic physical tinnitus. They point out that if your tinnitus increases, decreases, changes ears or moves to the head then it's somatic.
They say that the brain stem, a reflective part of the c spine pressures other disc, muscles and nerves when over curved by just a couple of mm. When the c spine (loss of normal lordosis) happens and it does for most people by 40, tinnitus can happen if the spine places pressure on nerves or muscles.
Muscle or disc trauma can cause the c spine to curve. Some are born with this condition and it's unnoticed for years. The curve can slow blood to the brain. The curve can cause problems to any ongoing conditions and disease within the neck. The curve can also create conditions and disease within the neck. These problems can increase or decrease volume by movement and modulation.
My T is usually a 10 - a fire alarm. I have several degenerative diseases in my neck. Once in awhile, I may be able to get my curve to move a mm from head rotation and playing a rain CD. First I meditate, play rain and have my entire neck soft finger-hand touch. By doing this I can sometimes knock my T down for fifteen minutes to two hours. Tonight I got lucky and it dropped to a five for two hours at about the volume of a microwave oven. If I continue with this, my c spine (loss of normal lordosis) may correct somewhat taking pressure off of muscles and nerves. It should stop more disease and conditions from happening.
By reading Susan's Shore older research from years ago before her U of M study, she talks about the domino affects of conditions within the neck. She is taking the reverse position of not correcting the c spine first, but instead she's trying to find the modulation muscle and nerve problem areas. Areas that the c spine had handicapped. Some of her past associates have written that the c spine can never be fully corrected and lasting once it losses strength.
So Susan Shore is targeting modulated trouble areas in hope of temporary relief. I think the approach of some c spine correcting thru loss of lordosis exercise is a better method.
They say that the brain stem, a reflective part of the c spine pressures other disc, muscles and nerves when over curved by just a couple of mm. When the c spine (loss of normal lordosis) happens and it does for most people by 40, tinnitus can happen if the spine places pressure on nerves or muscles.
Muscle or disc trauma can cause the c spine to curve. Some are born with this condition and it's unnoticed for years. The curve can slow blood to the brain. The curve can cause problems to any ongoing conditions and disease within the neck. The curve can also create conditions and disease within the neck. These problems can increase or decrease volume by movement and modulation.
My T is usually a 10 - a fire alarm. I have several degenerative diseases in my neck. Once in awhile, I may be able to get my curve to move a mm from head rotation and playing a rain CD. First I meditate, play rain and have my entire neck soft finger-hand touch. By doing this I can sometimes knock my T down for fifteen minutes to two hours. Tonight I got lucky and it dropped to a five for two hours at about the volume of a microwave oven. If I continue with this, my c spine (loss of normal lordosis) may correct somewhat taking pressure off of muscles and nerves. It should stop more disease and conditions from happening.
By reading Susan's Shore older research from years ago before her U of M study, she talks about the domino affects of conditions within the neck. She is taking the reverse position of not correcting the c spine first, but instead she's trying to find the modulation muscle and nerve problem areas. Areas that the c spine had handicapped. Some of her past associates have written that the c spine can never be fully corrected and lasting once it losses strength.
So Susan Shore is targeting modulated trouble areas in hope of temporary relief. I think the approach of some c spine correcting thru loss of lordosis exercise is a better method.
- May 24, 2017
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- long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
I am not sure I believe that.....I sure do not have any somatic element to mine, and I am pretty sure mine was caused by long tem exposure to noise.
I am afraid that Susah Shore's device will help so many people and then the rest of us will be forgotten
- May 9, 2017
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- Noise-induced
If your tinnitus is due to noise exposure, companies and institutes such as Decibel, Frequency Therapeutics, Affichem, Otonomy, Hough Ear Institute and Xenon Pharma and many more could potentially offer new treatment options for your type of tinnitus! Even if Susan Shore's device helps to alleviate tinnitus symptoms for most sufferers, people will still keep working on treatments and cures for hearing loss (and tinnitus).
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- May 24, 2017
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- long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
I hope you are right and those companies will still work hard to help the remaining of us. I am just afraid that their priority will change, if suddently 70% of sufferes can be helped by Susan Shore's device.
- May 16, 2017
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@TheDanishGirl Many researchers have stated that somatic elements is the most common form of tinnitus. Bjorne had stated that most tinnitus is somatic. Some say 65%, some 70 to 80%.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3129953/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3129953/
- May 24, 2017
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- long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
Maybe they are right, but all I know is I am not one of them
(one of the unlucky few once again)
- May 16, 2017
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@TheDanishGirl understood, but you might be able to modulate your T in some way.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17956783
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14600798
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17956783
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14600798
Maybe they are right, but all I know is I am not one of them
Don't worry, Shore's research was for noise-caused tinnitus. They can't even tell if guinea pigs have "somatic" tinnitus modulated by movement (you probably can't ask guinea pigs if their tinnitus changes if they clench their jaw ).
Regardless of what is causing the tinnitus (pinched nerve in neck, noise damage, a virus, etc.), Shore's device addresses the screwed up brain cells that make us hear these crazy sounds. She probably started with somatic tinnitus patients simply because they are easier to find (~70% of tinnitus sufferers), it does not mean her device will not unscramble the brain signal in other tinnitus sufferers.
Hang in there, don't give up hope.
None of us know if this will work on OUR screeching, so we will wait and see. But there are 50 million tinnitus sufferers, so 20-30% will not be ignored.
Is there anyone from this group who is one of the twenty who trialled this please?
I have horrendous somatosensory tinnitus. I can do many many movement to change the loudness, pitch and tone.
I have horrendous somatosensory tinnitus. I can do many many movement to change the loudness, pitch and tone.
Will this device be also available in Europe? If so I assume you are first going to have to see an audiologist or ENT for them to show you how to properly operate the device. It seems to me that an instruction leaflet might just not cut it.
I think those kinds of decisions and recommendations are years away — if this device is successful in these initial testing stages.
However, if it is truly successful, I am not sure why it would not be available worldwide. I suspect an audiologist would train customers how to use it, similar how they show customers how to use hearing aids or WNGs.
And also, decibel and similar medicines are not geared towards tinnitus. Dr. Shore's device is. Decibel works to reverse hearing loss which is a completely different thing than tinnitus. They are arguing that as a side effects it will help tinnitus. So nobody has to worry that they won't continue as you are trying to compare completely different fields of medicine in being the same thing. They are not.
Who is speculating only two years? Members of Shore's department or tinnitus sufferers eager for treatment options?
The device is going through another trial stage next fall. It could take two years before the results of that trial are published and an interested manufacturer is identified. After that, it is quite possible it will be regarded as a medical device and those undergo further testing and regulation by the FDA in the U.S.
Granted, this is a long thread so it's very possible I missed insider information. I know we have a member who was involved in an earlier trial for the device. I'd also like to be pleasantly surprised and have it emerge in two years, but I do not think academia moves that quickly.
Yeah, ok. So it's another 5 - 10 years "maybe if it works and there are no flaws with it" type of a thing that's supposed to help with tinnitus. Perfect.
- May 16, 2017
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I completely agree with @Tinker Bell!
The next trial doesn't even start recruiting until this summer. And if she only has one site, this could be a very looooong trial.
Finding sufficient numbers of tinnitus sufferers that can spend at least (assuming same trial design) 16 weeks in Ann Arbor, MI, and meet the inclusion criteria will be no small feat. Shore needs to add sites to make this trial work. I'm hoping Boston is one of them.
Everyone should write to her and ask for a site near your home so you can try the device. Otherwise, 5-10 years to FDA approval sounds correct to me.
And let us also hope that she makes enough devices so that if it works on your tinnitus, you get to take it home until it goes on sale. And a unit should also be provided to the phase 1 folks (max 20) for whom it worked. Shore needs more funding, that is, a commercial partner.
Some say it's the regulations. Patient groups that lobby the FDA get things done faster. Check out patient advocacy groups for Duchenne muscular dystrophy. Those people are fighting to save their kids, they are true warriors. We could learn from them.
Yes, regulations while people are literally suffering. I think it's time we learn from them and push for a faster processing of things otherwise this is going to take forever again.
It makes me feel that all this kind of a research is geared towards the next generation rather than us. My kids that I don't have yet will start growing beards before this thing comes out.
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- Apr 15, 2017
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- Noise
It's better this product goes through long and rigourous trials to prove efficacy and also for Susan Shore to tweak it to get the optimum effect.
If she can prove efficacy through large well made trials she's set to be a multi multimillionaire.
And for the consumer, I would happily spend money on a product that is proved as like many here, have spent £ on crap.
If she can prove efficacy through large well made trials she's set to be a multi multimillionaire.
And for the consumer, I would happily spend money on a product that is proved as like many here, have spent £ on crap.
She can earn through her research a hair over eleventy kabillion. I don't care how wealthy someone becomes.
I'm a part of academia myself so I have a little idea of how long can things take. Imagine this, 5 years in and then whoopsie something didn't work out.. well bad luck, sorry. Cya!
I don't think this is going to be necessarily the case with this project. As a matter of fact, I have a huge faith in her team and that device. It showed some promising results already. All I'm saying is that all this research is taking much too long. It'd be nice to speed things up a little bit. Then you have FDA & regulations and all that... it's gonna take ages
I'm a part of academia myself so I have a little idea of how long can things take. Imagine this, 5 years in and then whoopsie something didn't work out.. well bad luck, sorry. Cya!
I don't think this is going to be necessarily the case with this project. As a matter of fact, I have a huge faith in her team and that device. It showed some promising results already. All I'm saying is that all this research is taking much too long. It'd be nice to speed things up a little bit. Then you have FDA & regulations and all that... it's gonna take ages
- Apr 15, 2017
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It's been tested on 20 people and if you read the actual paper it didn't have a "clinically statistical improvement of 13pts", my tinnitus appears louder other days than some others, it screams caution to me.
- Aug 21, 2014
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the FDA regulations for devices are significantly lower bars than drugs, and I know the team thinks there's some possibility this could hit the market BEFORE the end of the phase-II study. Not sure how that would work, just regurgitating what I've been told by that team in email.
I'm reasonably certain they have filed for patent protection / etc; it would be madness to publish as much as they have otherwise. So, if anyone tries, they will be tied up in court for a while...SomaticT said:
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