Panic Attacks, Scared I’ll Never Habituate

[John Mahan]

It sounds like you're 100% certain it would have to be genetics. I think that is often the case, but I could list a number of other variables that could be responsible. Things like this are rarely cut and dried. -- You might appreciate this true story:

A reporter interviews two separate POWs who went through simlilarly harrowing experiences. The reporter asks each the same question: How did you manage to survive your horrific ordeal? One answers that they put their complete trust in God to help him survive. The other one answers he had complete trust in himself to survive. What do you think? Is there much of a difference between each soldier's approach?

Or perhaps more pertinent to this board, is there much difference between somebody who assiduously follows only what science has to offer us to help us with tinnitus / hyperacusis / suicidal ideation, etc. And somebody who decides to depend on themselves, to look at what science has to offer, but also willing to go outside (sometimes seemingly WAY outside) what science has to offer? I think there's the potential for a placebo effect in each approach, but I think the latter approach gives one a MUCH greater chance of success.

There is room for both as I stated earlier. But... and this is a big but , there is reason why the welfare of the country relies almost austensibly on one approach....conventional medicine....because the methodology implemented to save lives, including operations and drugs dispensed is 'vetted by the scientific community'. It isn't built on a whim and prayer and fairy dust but rather the scientific method.

By the way, its a sliding scale. In 50 years from now our current medical practices will be virtually unrecognizable including bonafide treatments for tinnitus...versus just treating it symptomatically as we presently do. Just like looking back 50 years, today's practices are so far superior to the time of the 60's....or 100 years ago when they used to bleed people thinking it would help them.

Its ok if you want play homeopathic doctor...or see one...or choose acupuncture....or chiropractic...an array of alternative approaches. Very few do little good compared to conventional medicine and vetted treatments. If the stuff you dabble in showed great efficacy, the science community would likely embrace what you suggest on a broader scale. But new things are discovered everyday but typically in the laboratory and not guys and girls fiddle farting around a health food store. Suffice to say most of the medical community feels the same way about homeopathic remedies. Not all, but the vast majority don't put much stock in it. So, you aren't just disagreeing with me, but most doctors that treat people for a living. I side with them and the rigor they use which btw is flawed too.

There is no cure for tinnitus presently. Nothing in conventional medicine or you suggest will cure it.

But, there are bonafide treatments for mental illness which is inextricably linked to acute tinnitus. All you have to read are all the accounts here. Most that suffer the most with chronic tinnitus had some degree of mental illness going in...or are in denial about it. In fact it is one of the things that separate again in my opinion those that have tinnitus and those that profoundly suffer from it. A precarious balance of mental health upon contracting tinnitus sends most over the edge.
PS. yes, I am heavy in the genetics camp. Why they breed race horses. Breeds of dogs have known dispositions. Of course if a healthy person is poisoned then of course things can change.

Proof? You take a sample of 1 million people age 15 years old and never find one that can play at the same level as this 6 year old with the same amount of practice or even twice as much.
This young lady is Mozart and almost nobody else is....

 

[Star64]

Only if you believe all family members that live in 10 different houses have the same high radon levels.
Just pushing back what I believe and of course a gentlemen's disagreement. I have a niece who also suffers from anxiety who is a homeopathic doctor for what its worth.

I believe there is room in the world for supplements. I just don't believe they have the same therapeutic capability to treat something as difficult as anxiety or schizophrenia compared to drugs which went through a FDA process with a demonstrated track record of efficacy. Of course you can dabble in the supplement space and many do.

Its good you put forward your personal experiences. What is difficult to prove that anything is either helpful or harmful and there is often a false prophecy about what works and what hinders....like Michael and his headphone wild goose chase he perpetuates here without scientific validation.

New meds are found everyday. You could easily stumble on something that works that has therapeutic value. You could also 'believe' something works and therefore it does by placebo. Or...you could take a natural supplement for 3 months and improve and has nothing to do with a given supplement but rather the body has healed itself naturally and what you were taking just wasn't injurious.

But on the nature versus nurture debate, nature wins...or loses at the end of the day.

Two soldiers go off to war. They share the same front line with mortar attacks and wear the same hearing protection which is inadequate. Due to great stress coupled with 130 dB levels one soldier, same environment...one soldier contracts tinnitus and the other doesn't. Genetics.

Having worked in mental health for many years, and speaking and listening to arguments between the medical profession on this topic, which we all know has been argued for years and years. I could debate in either direction, so I believe both theories have equal status.

I also believe medications and supplements both have their pluses and minuses, I admitted a teenager once to a psych unit who was diagnosed with early onset schizophrenia, turned out she did not have this at all, she had been taking a combination of supplements in high doses that caused her to lose touch with reality... It took 8 weeks before this young lady was restored to good health. Mind you the psychiatrist that diagnosed the early onset schizophrenia, did happen to say to me he was so glad things worked out as they did, because the medications he had to treat her symptomology could of made things a lot worse

 

[John Mahan]

Having worked in mental health for many years, and speaking and listening to arguments between the medical profession on this topic, which we all know has been argued for years and years. I could debate in either direction, so I believe both theories have equal status.

I also believe medications and supplements both have their pluses and minuses, I admitted a teenager once to a psych unit who was diagnosed with early onset schizophrenia, turned out she did not have this at all, she had been taking a combination of supplements in high doses that caused her to lose touch with reality... It took 8 weeks before this young lady was restored to good health. Mind you the psychiatrist that diagnosed the early onset schizophrenia, did happen to say to me he was so glad things worked out as they did, because the medications he had to treat her symptomology could of made things a lot worse

As you know Star, there is no set treatment recipe for a given mental illness, even if there is such a thing as a given mental illness. If you think about the permutations between brain chemistry and physiology, and interaction not only with a given drug but dosage, it is really a crap shoot to restore normalcy to somebody with a brain imbalance. Some that struggle with mental illness ping pong all over trying different meds in search for the holly grail of 'normalcy'.

Someday....I believe AI interacting with brain chemistry and scanning the brain will help refine what nature is missing that makes people struggle...like a schizophrenic. Right now what do we have? An educated guess...a stab at what drug and dosage may work.

Best to be born lucky.

 

[Lane]

it is really a crap shoot to restore normalcy to somebody with a brain imbalance. ...... Some that struggle with mental illness ping pong all over trying different meds in search for the holly grail of 'normalcy'.

And yet, some end up discovering what they were suffering from all along was a nutritional deficiency. Wouldn't that be a better place to start looking than to go immediately to the big guns of psychiatric medicine, with all their potential devastating side effects, both short and long term. To illustrate my point, here's a condensed story that was told to me by a good friend of mine:

He'd suffered from severe depression for many years, and eventually tried the prescription medication, lithium carbonate (a form that was able to be patented). He was desperate to get relief from his depression, but the extremely nasty side effects he experienced made him stop taking it within short order. This apparently occurs quite often.

One day he was in a health food store, and noticed a bottle of lithium (50 mcg) and his intuition told him to give it a try. After taking just one capsule, he woke up the next day with his depression totally gone. This extraordinary experience occurred by taking just 1/6,000 of the dosage of the 300 mg/tablet lithium carbonate. He later discovered the carbonate form is extremely hard for the body to absorb, thus the need to take such high amounts to get any effects for depression.

In my own research, I discovered that for the longest time, researchers and scientists thought lithium's efficacy somehow resulted from its ability to change "brain chemistry" (a term that is often bandied about, but apparently has little backing in scientific research). They later learned (fairly recently as I recall, and much to their surprise), that its effects were not for that reason at all. It turns out it was effective because of its ability to detoxify the brain. Some have speculated this is at least part of the reason why St. John's Wort can sometimes work so well for depression as well.

It seems to me that anything that can help detoxify the brain could very well be helpful for tinnitus. Lithium is also supposed to be a potent glutamate scavanger, and can sometimes help immensely in calming down an agitated brain and/or nervous system. I take it 2x/daily, and suspect many people on this forum could be helped by doing the same. I've noticed nutritional ideas don't really get many people's interest on this forum. But prescription drug medications are talked about all the time (as if it's a totally normal thing), often because of the devastation they have wrought.

 

[Star64]

Hi @Labyrinthine -- First of all, I want to mention (again) how much I appreciate your posts. To me, they show the hallmarks of a flexible mind, and an insightful person. -- Regarding anxiety, I'm of the belief that a lot (to most) of so called "mental" disorders (including anxiety) are likely the result of some kind of organic cause, instead of some sort of "psychological" cause. But even when there is a psychological component, there's almost always a significant organic contributing factor(s) which can make it worse, such as nutritional deficiencies, lack of balance in one's life, etc. This is even true for severe cases of mental disorders such as schizophrenia. Niacin supplementation alone has done wonders for some people with schizophrenia. Here's a link to a book on it...

Orthomolecular Treatment for Schizophrenia: Abram Hoffer ...

Regarding anxiety specifically, I started a thread some time ago (link below) that you may find interesting--if you haven't already run across it. There's a lot of good information that can be gleaned if you follow the links, and may give you some new things to consider as you traverse your anxiety journey. Given the persistence I see in your posts, I have to believe you will eventually discover things that will work extremely well for you. And may even significantly reduce your tinnitus.

Three Supplements to Treat Severe Anxiety Symptoms

BTW, you mentioned in another post you tried 30 or so things to help your upper back. I would encourage you to keep trying things, as I think it could be a significant factor in your overall health picture, including contributing to your anxiety. Part of my tinnitus is somatic, and I recently began doing two different exercises that seem to have helped my tinnitus somewhat. One in particular seems to address an area that you're dealing with. These two techniques linked below address the upper back (thoracic) area and the pelvis area. They're both pretty simple and I've come to believe they work extremely well together (synergistically), and may just may help your anxiety and/or tinnitus. I've gotten some pretty incredible results, and this after having tried at least 30 other things in the past, with not nearly as much benefit.

Here's a link to a 5-min. video: -- The Simplest and Most Effective Exercise For Thoracic Extension

Another 5-Min. video: -- Natural Pelvis Reset

EDIT to ADD: -- One of my favorite relaxing drinks is to make some poppy seed tea, with some added turmeric and cinnamon, and sweeten with stevia. I use about 2 oz. of poppy seed, 1/4 tsp of turmeric and cinnamon, and 1/8 tsp of stevia, all in about 1 quart of water. All these amounts can be adjusted to taste or preference. -- Seeds can be reboiled and steeped 2-3 times. To make it even healthier, add 2 oz. of milk thistle seeds, which is great for liver health, and very relaxing as well (I'm out at the moment). -- @Star64

Good to see others have a flexible mind, Big Pharma never cut it for me, as you already know I believe I am seeing improvements in utilizing natural and alternatives therapies. I appreciate all the time and effort you put into posting these alternative methods and I am sure my family does too as they can see the difference in me.

I know you never suggested retail therapy, but when my husband finally notices the credit card has taken a beating, I hope he sees it as a justifiable alternative therapy, after all it was with your help that put me in drive/shopping mode

 

[Daniel Lion]

Hi @Labyrinthine -- First of all, I want to mention (again) how much I appreciate your posts. To me, they show the hallmarks of a flexible mind, and an insightful person. -- Regarding anxiety, I'm of the belief that a lot (to most) of so called "mental" disorders (including anxiety) are likely the result of some kind of organic cause, instead of some sort of "psychological" cause. But even when there is a psychological component, there's almost always a significant organic contributing factor(s) which can make it worse, such as nutritional deficiencies, lack of balance in one's life, etc. This is even true for severe cases of mental disorders such as schizophrenia. Niacin supplementation alone has done wonders for some people with schizophrenia. Here's a link to a book on it...

Orthomolecular Treatment for Schizophrenia: Abram Hoffer ...

Regarding anxiety specifically, I started a thread some time ago (link below) that you may find interesting--if you haven't already run across it. There's a lot of good information that can be gleaned if you follow the links, and may give you some new things to consider as you traverse your anxiety journey. Given the persistence I see in your posts, I have to believe you will eventually discover things that will work extremely well for you. And may even significantly reduce your tinnitus.

Three Supplements to Treat Severe Anxiety Symptoms

BTW, you mentioned in another post you tried 30 or so things to help your upper back. I would encourage you to keep trying things, as I think it could be a significant factor in your overall health picture, including contributing to your anxiety. Part of my tinnitus is somatic, and I recently began doing two different exercises that seem to have helped my tinnitus somewhat. One in particular seems to address an area that you're dealing with. These two techniques linked below address the upper back (thoracic) area and the pelvis area. They're both pretty simple and I've come to believe they work extremely well together (synergistically), and may just may help your anxiety and/or tinnitus. I've gotten some pretty incredible results, and this after having tried at least 30 other things in the past, with not nearly as much benefit.

Here's a link to a 5-min. video: -- The Simplest and Most Effective Exercise For Thoracic Extension

Another 5-Min. video: -- Natural Pelvis Reset

EDIT to ADD: -- One of my favorite relaxing drinks is to make some poppy seed tea, with some added turmeric and cinnamon, and sweeten with stevia. I use about 2 oz. of poppy seed, 1/4 tsp of turmeric and cinnamon, and 1/8 tsp of stevia, all in about 1 quart of water. All these amounts can be adjusted to taste or preference. -- Seeds can be reboiled and steeped 2-3 times. To make it even healthier, add 2 oz. of milk thistle seeds, which is great for liver health, and very relaxing as well (I'm out at the moment). -- @Star64

Lane, are you a health practitioner? you should be.

 

[John Mahan]

Lane,
Everybody around horse racing knows that genetics are everything.
Secretariat, the smartest and greatest race horse of all time. Loved the limelight. Played with the field. Perfectly built. He knew he was faster than all the other horses. When he showed up to race, he puffed himself up like to say, ok boys, time to get beat. He loved to rub their nose in it.

He knew he was the greatest and loved to show everybody. He literally had twice the heart size as any other horse:

 

[John Mahan]

And yet, some end up discovering what they were suffering from all along was a nutritional deficiency. Wouldn't that be a better place to start looking than to go immediately to the big guns of psychiatric medicine, with all their potential devastating side effects, both short and long term. To illustrate my point, here's a condensed story that was told to me by a good friend of mine:

He'd suffered from severe depression for many years, and eventually tried the prescription medication, lithium carbonate (a form that was able to be patented). He was desperate to get relief from his depression, but the extremely nasty side effects he experienced made him stop taking it within short order. This apparently occurs quite often.

One day he was in a health food store, and noticed a bottle of lithium (50 mcg) and his intuition told him to give it a try. After taking just one capsule, he woke up the next day with his depression totally gone. This extraordinary experience occurred by taking just 1/6,000 of the dosage of the 300 mg/tablet lithium carbonate. He later discovered the carbonate form is extremely hard for the body to absorb, thus the need to take such high amounts to get any effects for depression.

In my own research, I discovered that for the longest time, researchers and scientists thought lithium's efficacy somehow resulted from its ability to change "brain chemistry" (a term that is often bandied about, but apparently has little backing in scientific research). They later learned (fairly recently as I recall, and much to their surprise), that its effects were not for that reason at all. It turns out it was effective because of its ability to detoxify the brain. Some have speculated this is at least part of the reason why St. John's Wort can sometimes work so well for depression as well.

It seems to me that anything that can help detoxify the brain could very well be helpful for tinnitus. Lithium is also supposed to be a potent glutamate scavanger, and can sometimes help immensely in calming down an agitated brain and/or nervous system. I take it 2x/daily, and suspect many people on this forum could be helped by doing the same. I've noticed nutritional ideas don't really get many people's interest on this forum. But prescription drug medications are talked about all the time (as if it's a totally normal thing), often because of the devastation they have wrought.

If lithium's detoxification of the brain...if it worked like you say and detox were really at the root of lowering tinnitus, it would be known throughout the world. It isn't. You can believe what you want. Lithium has been around for decades treating mental illness.

The proverbial kitchen sink has been thrown at tinnitus and virtually nothing is considered helpful without major side effects. Anecdotally, Clonazepam is perhaps the med considered to be most helpful to lower tinnitus. What many people on this forum take for relief.

 

[John Mahan]

Good to see others have a flexible mind, Big Pharma never cut it for me, as you already know I believe I am seeing improvements in utilizing natural and alternatives therapies. I appreciate all the time and effort you put into posting these alternative methods and I am sure my family does too as they can see the difference in me.

I know you never suggested retail therapy, but when my husband finally notices the credit card has taken a beating, I hope he sees it as a justifiable alternative therapy, after all it was with your help that put me in drive/shopping mode

Good luck with that credit card bill. I just wasted $20 on a bottle of Curcumin that I am glad finally ran out I won't be replacing...lol.

For you nature lovers, the solution isn't found in med's or supplements...well maybe in med's hopefully sparingly, but rather finding 'your natural harmony' in life by being in nature and outside and exercising, and listening to music and making love and walks on the beach at sunset and riding bikes and swimming in the ocean and forgiving others and yourself and helping others that are in need and eating healthy with a lot of fruit, vegetables and lean meat and getting lots of rest and accepting you aren't perfect because nobody is and you have a weird noise in your head and its ok because its part of you.

You get well by 'living life' and not dwelling on why you aren't perfect. That is how you manage tinnitus, not what's in a bottle. That is the true 'nature' way. My opinion of course.

 

[Star64]

Good luck with that credit card bill. I just wasted $20 on a bottle of Curcumin that I am glad finally ran out I won't be replacing...lol.

For you nature lovers, the solution isn't found in med's or supplements...well maybe in med's hopefully sparingly, but rather finding 'your natural harmony' in life by being in nature and outside and exercising, and listening to music and making love and walks on the beach at sunset and riding bikes and swimming in the ocean and forgiving others and yourself and helping others that are in need and eating healthy with a lot of fruit, vegetables and lean meat and getting lots of rest and accepting you aren't perfect because nobody is and you have a weird noise in your head and its ok because its part of you.

You get well by 'living life' and not dwelling on why you aren't perfect. That is how you manage tinnitus, not what's in a bottle. That is the true 'nature' way. My opinion of course.

I have been doing all the above, so yes I am living life, including socialising and shopping and for me the big one meditation...but I do think some supplements may be beneficial for some people... I had to reduce the curcumin dosage... like yourself I'll finish the bottle and reevaluate...

 

[Star64]

As you know Star, there is no set treatment recipe for a given mental illness, even if there is such a thing as a given mental illness. If you think about the permutations between brain chemistry and physiology, and interaction not only with a given drug but dosage, it is really a crap shoot to restore normalcy to somebody with a brain imbalance. Some that struggle with mental illness ping pong all over trying different meds in search for the holly grail of 'normalcy'.

Someday....I believe AI interacting with brain chemistry and scanning the brain will help refine what nature is missing that makes people struggle...like a schizophrenic. Right now what do we have? An educated guess...a stab at what drug and dosage may work.

Best to be born lucky.

I agree with the ping pong statement, In mental health you will hear the term revolving door patients, the reason being it is a crap shoot to restore brain chemistry but many psychoactive drugs come with their own set of additional problems... everybody reacts differently to meds supplements, but even when supplements have caused issues I have never seen them cause prolonged agonising symptoms that the other big gun medications can cause. No dependence issues and certainly not suffering for years like the drug clonazepam can cause if it gets grip of you...

 

[Daniel Lion]

Good luck with that credit card bill. I just wasted $20 on a bottle of Curcumin that I am glad finally ran out I won't be replacing...lol.

For you nature lovers, the solution isn't found in med's or supplements...well maybe in med's hopefully sparingly, but rather finding 'your natural harmony' in life by being in nature and outside and exercising, and listening to music and making love and walks on the beach at sunset and riding bikes and swimming in the ocean and forgiving others and yourself and helping others that are in need and eating healthy with a lot of fruit, vegetables and lean meat and getting lots of rest and accepting you aren't perfect because nobody is and you have a weird noise in your head and its ok because its part of you.

You get well by 'living life' and not dwelling on why you aren't perfect. That is how you manage tinnitus, not what's in a bottle. That is the true 'nature' way. My opinion of course.

Well Mr. John Mahan, that was perfect.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

I also believe medications and supplements both have their pluses and minuses

@Star64 I like your work experience and knowledge. My wife lived in Melbourne for many years before I met her and she has lots of family there.

 

[Star64]

@Star64 I like your work experience and knowledge. My wife lived in Melbourne for many years before I met her and she has lots of family there.

Thanks, I loved working in Mental Health and Aged Care, they are two things I am passionate about. Is your wife an Aussie? I am not sure where you reside, but I am guessing you are a long distance away from Melbourne.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Star64 She was born in the US - weird Hollywood, but she has dual citizenship. We live in Northern California - Sacramento - also at @Daniel Lion. My wife has grown children and grandchildren that live in Melbourne where they were born. I grow up in New England.

 

[John Mahan]

I agree with the ping pong statement, In mental health you will hear the term revolving door patients, the reason being it is a crap shoot to restore brain chemistry but many psychoactive drugs come with their own set of additional problems... everybody reacts differently to meds supplements, but even when supplements have caused issues I have never seen them cause prolonged agonising symptoms that the other big gun medications can cause. No dependence issues and certainly not suffering for years like the drug clonazepam can cause if it gets grip of you...

And to push back, the reason why supplements cause so few side effects is because they have such little reaction within the body compared to conventional meds i.e. supplements benefit a patient much less.

You might as well, shout at the moon in the dark and save your credit card bill. People believe in things though which pays for the lights at health food stores. I have met my share of unhealthy vegans on the bike over the years as well. No strength and sickly. They take a lot of supplements too. Supplements can in fact be bad for the body. The problem with playing doctor.

You and I could have a long conversation and no doubt you have about pharma approach to better medicine. Alive in well in unhealthy America. Not what we are talking about. I am uber fit and try to take zero medicine. I have been fortunate to have been born with a very healthy body I have taken good care of and have never taken any meds other than occasional benzos due to a high pressure job and thank god for benzos. All the poppy seed fairy dust won't bring somebody down from the ledge sorry. You can believe what you like and chase the magic dragon of the mystery of your body by talking to Lane and the hippy wearing sandals at the health food store.

God forbid if you ever have heart surgery, please don't consider taking what the health food guy recommends for med's to ward off infection and mitigate pain...lol. Or if you have cancer, don't go on line and listen to some guy on the internet say his sister was cured by taking sun flower seeds and mineral water.

You can take all the Omega 3 you like and it won't help your tinnitus.

Tinnitus is best managed by my person experience is trying to make the body as healthy as possible and living life fully and not by getting vitamin D out of a bottle but by being in the sun living like our ancestors did.

Again, my opinion of course. Of course there are millions of sedentary, fat people who turn to pharma for what ails them. Same guilt on the supplement chasers only their method is more scattershot and will less not more efficacy in actually helping.

My opinion of course.

PS. all of Lane's recovery? I don't put an ounce of it toward any supplements he puts in his body. I believe Lane has cured more naturally of his darkest hours as do virtually ALL who are suicidal when they first get tinnitus, come to terms with it, and get back out there and start living their lives normally only with a back ground noise in their head that loses significance.

 

[Daniel Lion]

@Star64 She was born in the US - weird Hollywood, but she has dual citizenship. We live in Northern California - Sacramento - also at @Daniel Lion. My wife has grown children and grandchildren that live in Melbourne where they were born. I grow up in New England.

Wow... very cool. California and Australia. I've been watching lots of YouTube videos on growing avocados. I got four pretty good plants going. Can't wait to see if they fruit.

Do you have a medical background or are you self taught?

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Lynny Have it be considered that your tinnitus may be caused from neck muscle tension. This physical tension can combine with emotion tension. This tension can also cause jaw awareness movement and teeth tension. You have mention sneezing and yawning as problems. This would be a major key: You can research or have your mom research neck muscle and jaw tension. Some articles to start off with:

https://www.sleepadvisor.org/5-ways-get-rid-neck-pain-caused-stress-anxiety/
The first 4 reasons in this article - https://healthrow.net/jaw-and-neck-tightness/

Consider asking your doctor if you can take some NAC if you are using other medications.

 

[PeteJ]

Good luck with that credit card bill. I just wasted $20 on a bottle of Curcumin that I am glad finally ran out I won't be replacing...lol.

For you nature lovers, the solution isn't found in med's or supplements...well maybe in med's hopefully sparingly, but rather finding 'your natural harmony' in life by being in nature and outside and exercising, and listening to music and making love and walks on the beach at sunset and riding bikes and swimming in the ocean and forgiving others and yourself and helping others that are in need and eating healthy with a lot of fruit, vegetables and lean meat and getting lots of rest and accepting you aren't perfect because nobody is and you have a weird noise in your head and its ok because its part of you.

You get well by 'living life' and not dwelling on why you aren't perfect. That is how you manage tinnitus, not what's in a bottle. That is the true 'nature' way. My opinion of course.

Stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

 

[John Mahan]

Stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Pete,
Honestly, you are great comedy on this board and glad you are here because you make me laugh...lol.
Pretty clear you are a sock puppet for the other goof on here who goes on and on about ending it all...or he has a twin which I suppose is possible. Really, the melodrama is palpable and you should consider creating a TV series...called, Oh, poor me.

Sorry to hear you are suffering so much. Can you tell us a little more about your suffering? Hearing voices too? Now take your poppy seed oil like a good foot soldier and go do some volunteer work to make your heart feel good.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy...really.

Have a great day sock puppy. Just consider, all that noise in your head driving you crazy? Gremlins.

 

[PeteJ]

Edit: I have John Mahan on ignore now. I don't want to add to any drama. The reason I got upset in the previous post is I don't think anything helps when t is really severe and thinking there is a simple solution like diet, is annoying to me.

I won't respond to trolls anymore.

 

[Daniel Lion]

Pete,
Honestly, you are great comedy on this board and glad you are here because you make me laugh...lol.
Pretty clear you are a sock puppet for the other goof on here who goes on and on about ending it all...or he has a twin which I suppose is possible. Really, the melodrama is palpable and you should consider creating a TV series...called, Oh, poor me.

Sorry to hear you are suffering so much. Can you tell us a little more about your suffering? Hearing voices too? Now take your poppy seed oil like a good foot soldier and go do some volunteer work to make your heart feel good.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy...really.

Have a great day sock puppy. Just consider, all that noise in your head driving you crazy? Gremlins.

Easy does it John, your words of encouragement and patience are so helpful.
Remember PeteJ is young, he hasn't even begun on his journey that we have. Be patient Brother. The young man is in a mess that we are not.
I understand your frustration, believe me, but I encourage you to to take the high road, bite your tongue, and speak from a place of love and compassion. Your smart, I know you can do that, and you also have a warm and generous heart.
Rise above, elevate, we can do that...can't we?

 

[Daniel Lion]

Edit: I have John Mahan on ignore now. I don't want to add to any drama. The reason I got upset in the previous post is I don't think anything helps when t is really severe and thinking there is a simple solution like diet, is annoying to me.

I won't respond to trolls anymore.

There are no simple solutions to being disabled and brain damaged.
It takes time, and a whole lot of fight and luck.
Take my advice.
Eat right and exercise till you can't walk.
Do that for a month and see what happens.
You are important, you're young, and you have been dealt a shitty hand of cards.
Take my advice, just try it...
Praying for you buddy.

 

[Star64]

Stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

I knew you had a fighting spirit in you Pete, Your dog will need no shelter, you see there is a reason they are mans best friend..

Yeah I know, I am just a hippy who believes in Pet therapy....I love animals, especially dogs, I spent many days when I first got tinnitus crying my eyes out with my Golden retriever at my feet.....you see dogs do not offer any advice, but they listen and sometimes that is what you need most...

Take care Pete

 

[PeteJ]

There are no simple solutions to being disabled and brain damaged.
It takes time, and a whole lot of fight and luck.
Take my advice.
Eat right and exercise till you can't walk.
Do that for a month and see what happens.
You are important, you're young, and you have been dealt a shitty hand of cards.
Take my advice, just try it...
Praying for you buddy.

I have been advised EXERCISE AND DIET by more than a few people. It is not going to reduce the tinnitus. A while back, I tried jogging. The problem is the tinnitus is so intrusive and most of the time, I have ear pain, too.

I assure you, if the tinnitus wasn't so extreme, I would be into this - I was into exercise and diet before tinnitus. I often felt guilty if I didn't do enough in a day. But, the constant loud tones and ear pain discourages me from doing anything, even going out - unless I have to.

Btw, "this "it's early, you are young and not where we are now.'" No. I am not young. Just because you are used to it, that doesn't apply to me. I am fucked unless it reduces/improves and I am afraid that there is not much hope or good signs.

 

[Daniel Lion]

I have been advised EXERCISE AND DIET by more than a few people. It is not going to reduce the tinnitus. A while back, I tried jogging. The problem is the tinnitus is so intrusive and most of the time, I have ear pain, too.

I assure you, if the tinnitus wasn't so extreme, I would be into this - I was into exercise and diet before tinnitus. I often felt guilty if I didn't do enough in a day. But, the constant loud tones and ear pain discourages me from doing anything, even going out - unless I have to.

Btw, "this "it's early, you are young and not where we are now.'" No. I am not young. Just because you are used to it, that doesn't apply to me. I am fucked unless it reduces/improves and I am afraid that there is not much hope or good signs.

Dude... listen to me... I am on your side. If you can't run, use a stationary bike. Exercise your ass off. Try for one month and then get back to me. If the tinnitus does not prevent you from running or walking, then do it. This is life and death as you know.
Please take my advice and just do it.

Look at Fishbone... the dude's ears are shot to pieces, he has aural fullness and pain 24/7 and he's found a way to live.

As Israid before. Try.... give it your best shot.
If after a few months, no change, then so be it.
But you need to dig deep and try.
Fishbone is the most hardcore, badass, loving, inspiring guy here.
Greg Sacramento has pain you couldn't imagine, not only in his head but all the nerves in his mouth.

We want you to succeed, take the first steps man.

Post note... you shoot down ideas without trying. Please try bro...

And no I am not used to it, I just want to create a life that's good and I can experience happiness as I did before. Don't underestimate the sound in my head. Nothing masks it... but I am gonna fight for my life... that's my nature. We are all different. I still and always will support you and send my love to you no matter what.

 

[just1morething]

I have been advised EXERCISE AND DIET by more than a few people. It is not going to reduce the tinnitus. A while back, I tried jogging. The problem is the tinnitus is so intrusive and most of the time, I have ear pain, too.

I assure you, if the tinnitus wasn't so extreme, I would be into this - I was into exercise and diet before tinnitus. I often felt guilty if I didn't do enough in a day. But, the constant loud tones and ear pain discourages me from doing anything, even going out - unless I have to.

Btw, "this "it's early, you are young and not where we are now.'" No. I am not young. Just because you are used to it, that doesn't apply to me. I am fucked unless it reduces/improves and I am afraid that there is not much hope or good signs.

Try seeing a TMJ specialist plus get some online hearing aids. Also have some clonazepam and gabapentin on hand as needed. I was good today but don't ask how I will be tomorrow. I was terrible like you almost every day.

Here is a pic similar to my appliance for TMD and sleep apnea:

https://www.audicus.com/

 

[Daniel Lion]

And to push back, the reason why supplements cause so few side effects is because they have such little reaction within the body compared to conventional meds i.e. supplements benefit a patient much less.

You might as well, shout at the moon in the dark and save your credit card bill. People believe in things though which pays for the lights at health food stores. I have met my share of unhealthy vegans on the bike over the years as well. No strength and sickly. They take a lot of supplements too. Supplements can in fact be bad for the body. The problem with playing doctor.

You and I could have a long conversation and no doubt you have about pharma approach to better medicine. Alive in well in unhealthy America. Not what we are talking about. I am uber fit and try to take zero medicine. I have been fortunate to have been born with a very healthy body I have taken good care of and have never taken any meds other than occasional benzos due to a high pressure job and thank god for benzos. All the poppy seed fairy dust won't bring somebody down from the ledge sorry. You can believe what you like and chase the magic dragon of the mystery of your body by talking to Lane and the hippy wearing sandals at the health food store.

God forbid if you ever have heart surgery, please don't consider taking what the health food guy recommends for med's to ward off infection and mitigate pain...lol. Or if you have cancer, don't go on line and listen to some guy on the internet say his sister was cured by taking sun flower seeds and mineral water.

You can take all the Omega 3 you like and it won't help your tinnitus.

Tinnitus is best managed by my person experience is trying to make the body as healthy as possible and living life fully and not by getting vitamin D out of a bottle but by being in the sun living like our ancestors did.

Again, my opinion of course. Of course there are millions of sedentary, fat people who turn to pharma for what ails them. Same guilt on the supplement chasers only their method is more scattershot and will less not more efficacy in actually helping.

My opinion of course.

PS. all of Lane's recovery? I don't put an ounce of it toward any supplements he puts in his body. I believe Lane has cured more naturally of his darkest hours as do virtually ALL who are suicidal when they first get tinnitus, come to terms with it, and get back out there and start living their lives normally only with a back ground noise in their head that loses significance.

Interesting, and many epidemiologists would agree with you about the efficacy of supplements, with the exception to somebody who is seriously iron deficient etc, even then they could get it from food.

The reasons I've stopped taking vitamins is purely financial, I just don't have extra hundreds of dollars every month to be spent on supplements. I eat a rounded healthy diet and exercise.

Money pretty much put a stop to my supplement adventure.

For better or worse. My father in law makes weird tinctures from tree barks for me, I drink home made ginger and garlic tea, I eat veg and fish and drink lots of water........things are slowly moving in the right direction.

 

[Lane]

Everybody around horse racing knows that genetics are everything. ...... Secretariat, the smartest and greatest race horse of all time.

Interesting comments about Secretariat. Genetics surely play a key role in whether or not a horse becomes a champion. But like humans, what also matters is its heart. Does it have the heart of a champion, and what are other variables that come into play? I suspect Secretariat had a very "privileged" upbringing. Let's compare this to a circus elephant:

When a new elephant is brought into a circus setting from the wilds of Africa (don't know if that still happens), it would normally be full of spirit and resistance (genetics). My understanding is the first thing trainers would do is tie a strong rope or cable around it's foot, and tie the other end to a tree. The elephant would struggle valiantly against this for long periods of time, until it finally realizes it can't free itself.

What the trainer then does is carry around a portable tree stump wherever he goes with the elephant, and when he wants to have it stay in one place for a while, he just puts one end of a rope around the elephant and the other end around the (fake) portable tree stump. Of course, the elephant doesn't know that it could easily break free, as it had already been ingrained with a sense of "learned helplessness".

Sadly, I see a somewhat similar scenario play out on these forums. So many here that are suicidal are so pessimistic that anything can be done to improve their lot. They repeatedly read depressing scenarios on this forum, often believing "nothing" can be done. Plus, they're told repeatedly by ENTs and other doctors that they just "have to get used to it". Seems to me they also become ingrained with a sense of "learned helplessness".

But I firmly believe life is far more maleable than people often come to believe. I know it's hard to see a way out of a deep personal crisis like intrusive tinnitus, but I believe literally everybody can do something (not matter how small) to improve their lot, in some way, shape or form. And a number of "little things" often end up making a BIG difference. It may not be a total cessation of tinnitus, and/or some other distressful ear condition, but much can be done to help ourselves, whether physically, and/or emotionally, and/or spiritually. The will to take initiatives to help ourselves in times of crisis goes well beyond genetics IMHO.

 

[InfiniteLoop]

I have been advised EXERCISE AND DIET by more than a few people. It is not going to reduce the tinnitus. A while back, I tried jogging. The problem is the tinnitus is so intrusive and most of the time, I have ear pain, too.

I assure you, if the tinnitus wasn't so extreme, I would be into this - I was into exercise and diet before tinnitus. I often felt guilty if I didn't do enough in a day. But, the constant loud tones and ear pain discourages me from doing anything, even going out - unless I have to.

Btw, "this "it's early, you are young and not where we are now.'" No. I am not young. Just because you are used to it, that doesn't apply to me. I am fucked unless it reduces/improves and I am afraid that there is not much hope or good signs.

You are stronger than you think.... Do not let the noise to be the tyrant.