Solsaem Clinic (Dr. Minbo Shim) Experience

[Hazel]

@JohnAdams, we have had to defend ourselves against your baseless accusations so many times by now, both publicly and in private; this is becoming really tiresome. We have far better things to do than argue with you.

I trust that most of our members have the good sense to know what Tinnitus Hub is all about and that we are not the evil conspirators you make us out to be. We are completely transparent about what we do; see for instance this new thread. If you don't like our work, that's fine, but at least get your facts straight and stop with the allegations of evil conspiracy.

Same goes for your allegations against @David. I think he explained exceedingly well in our podcast episode what the BTA is doing for a cure, and it's certainly not in line with the picture you're painting.

Also, I need to point out that your posts in this thread are becoming increasingly aggressive. Calling people "mental midgets" or "idiotic losers" (for whatever reason) goes directly against our code of conduct. Let's keep this a place for civil discussion. Others are as much entitled to their opinions as you.

 

[Liam_Cairns]

I never came here to argue and I don't call people names, that's not my style and never has been. However, John doesn't debate, he takes things personally if a counterpoint is made and before you know it he's wishing death upon you amongst other charming insults (all deleted). I was going to keep my Shim convo off this forum out of respect for John but then I became tired of his antics and figured I may as well post it.

That's my only crime: debate. It's not welcome on here.

I brought up the pricing issue ages ago (the moment he doubled it, and before that, even) but bizarre excuses were made for Shim and still are.

Before I disappear into the void I hope all the lurkers of this thread take serious note.

Do not hand over any money to Dr Shim until he publishes his successful study from 2014 (it will never happen). He doesn't take any credit cards (I wonder why); he only takes direct transfers. To the less informed, he obviously does this so that there's no chance of a dispute where you can claim your money back. Reputable businesses always take credit cards.

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This post is just over 2 years old and yet he is now charging people $18,000 and still demands a non-refundable deposit.

There is absolutely no science backing this up and yet this man wants you to front large amounts of money without asking any questions. He hates questions about his treatment, funny that isn't it? It's a case of 'give me your money and shut up', and I'm sure once that happens he becomes your best friend whilst he waits for your next payment. He constantly references a useless patent that he has over actual scientific evidence, and he does this to give his treatment an air of authenticity to fool gullible and desperate people.

Do not be fooled!

Having access to only two anecdotal reports (which cannot even be verified) is not good enough. We have clinical trials to prove a treatment is better than placebo which is actually hard to achieve because the placebo effect is very powerful. I can only imagine that it's even more potent if you've just spent thousands of dollars on something.

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There is no way of proving the legitimacy of this post, but it does make me wonder because it does sound like the kind of thing Shim would discuss (having spoken to him).

In all honesty, I cannot believe he is still relevant. I just don't want to see other people having their money taken from them in this way, out of desperation. For some, adding a financial burden of this magnitude could ruin their lives and Shim isn't interested in discussing payment options. He just wants your money.

With that cleared up, I hope that anyone reading this does find some peace of mind again and that you all manage to overcome your respective tinnitus problems.

Take care folks.

Man I wonder what ever happened to @bill 112, I hope he's okay.

 

[GlennS]

...if you bring up him, or his lack of published material, then you're an idiotic loser.

This is a perfect example of why you run into blowback.

A little conflict goes with the territory but please learn to follow a minimum level of decorum if you expect people to take what you say seriously. People generally tune out when they're being called names (or threatened with name-calling).

 

[GSC]

Jesus this thread has turned into a battle zone.

If that is Minbo Shim's Tinnitus Talk account and he does watch this thread the rare times he comes on... Then he'll definitely probably not want to get into contact with anyone here...

 

[Liam_Cairns]

I think that what @Ed209 asked was completely reasonable, he has asked very simple questions in a non-combatitive non-rude way and Dr. Shim replied in a way that I would call suspicious at the very least.

When someone starts getting defensive and combatitive when you ask them simply to back up their claims you know something is wrong.

And then there is the whole issue of his dodging questions about pay. For all we know you could just be experiencing the placebo effect of a lifetime.

Ed209 has this community's best interests in heart and just doesn't want anyone to get scammed. I don't see why that is such a crime? Or how that makes him schizo?

 

[Daniel Lion]

Sorry, it was 30 dB, not 35 dB. 30dB is still very significant.

Here is a collection of quotes from the study.

Growth factors and hair cells:
"As factors that effectively induce HC protection and regeneration, growth factors are considered good candidates. Growth factors are humoral factors, which bind to their specific receptors on the cell membrane to activate intracellular signaling in order to exert their effects. Growth factors play important roles during cell proliferation, differentiation, transdifferentiation, and survival (Anderson, 1989; Bhowmick et al., 2001; Cattaneo and McKay, 1990; Gao et al., 1995; Ghosh and Greenberg, 1995)."

What IGF-1 is:
"IGF1 was isolated from human serum in the 1950s (Salmon and Daughaday, 1957). At first, it was named somatomedin-C, but renamed because of the high degree of sequence identity between IGF1 and insulin. IGF1 has nonsuppressible insulin-like and cell growth-promoting activities (Rinderknecht and Humbel, 1978)."

First clinical trial:
"Based on the findings reviewed in Section 4, clinical trials were performed to study the efficacy of IGF1 in the treatment of SSHL. First, a phase I/II clinical trial was performed to assess the safety and efficacy of IGF1 (UMIN-CTRR000000936) (Nakagawa et al., 2012, 2010). SSHL that was refractory to systemic steroid therapy was selected as the target disease for the clinical trial. Patients (n ¼ 25) with definite SSHL and with no recovery after systemic glucocorticoid treatment for more than 7 days were recruited within 29 days of SSHL onset."

Trial outcomes:
"Hearing improvement at 24 weeks after IGF1 treatment was found to be statistically significant at all five frequencies compared with the hearing levels of the patients at registration. A time course analysis of the changes in hearing threshold revealed that hearing recovery after topical IGF1 treatment occurred during the initial 4 weeks in the majority of patients, but that further recovery (>20 dB) was evident in some patients at a later stage (Nakagawa et al., 2012). No serious adverse events associated with the test treatment occurred during this trial."

Second trial:
"Based on the result of the phase I/II clinical trial described in 5.1., a randomized clinical study was performed (UMIN000004366). Treatment with intra-tympanic steroids, which has been widely used to treat systemic glucocorticoid-resistant SSHL (Choung et al., 2006; Haynes et al., 2007; Ho et al., 2004; Kakehata et al., 2011; Lee et al., 2010; Plontke et al., 2005; Roebuck and Chang, 2006), was chosen as the control treatment (Nakagawa et al., 2014)."

Involved 120 patients:
"Patients (n = 120) were recruited from nine tertiary referral hospitals in Japan and were randomly selected to receive either gelatin hydrogel impregnated with IGF1 on the round window membrane (62 patients) or intratympanic injections with Dex (58 patients)."

Trial outcomes:
"In the IGF1 group, 66.7% (95% CI, 52.9e78.6%) of the patients showed hearing improvement compared to 53.6% (95% CI, 39.7e67.0%) of the patients in the Dex group. There was no significant difference between the proportion of patients with improved hearing in each group (p ＝0.109), primarily because an unexpectedly high proportion of patients showed hearing improvements after Dex therapy compared with previous reports (Choung et al., 2006; Haynes et al., 2007; Ho et al., 2004; Kakehata et al., 2011; Nakagawa, 2014; Nakagawa et al., 2014; Plontke et al., 2005; Roebuck and Chang, 2006). A trend, however, was observed: a higher proportion of patients with 30 dB HL improvements in pure-tone average hearing thresholds was measured for the IGF1 group than in that the intra-tympanic steroids group."

IGF-1 is safe and possibly superior:
"In this trial, no adverse events were observed. The findings of this trial suggest that IGF1 is an effective treatment for SSHL and that IGF1 is a similar or superior therapy compared with intra-tympanic Dex therapy"

Explant cochleas studied with IGF-1:
"The mechanisms of IGF1- induced maintenance of HC number have been evaluated using a cochlear explant culture system (Hayashi et al., 2013)"

"In this study, IGF1 treatment was found to result in the maintenance of both inner and outer HC numbers as shown for the in vivo application of IGF1 for cochlear damage"

"These observations indicate that IGF1 induces the maintenance of HC numbers by activating SCs (Fig. 2)."

IGF-1 is protecting and possibly regenerating hair cells:
"In this review, IGF1 has been described as a novel and potent treatment for SNHL, potentially via HC protection and regeneration."

Source:
Hearing Research 330 (2015) 2e9

Insulin-like growth factor 1: A novel treatment for the protection or regeneration of cochlear hair cells
Kohei Yamahara, Norio Yamamoto* , Takayuki Nakagawa, Juichi Ito Department of Otolaryngology, Head and Neck Surgery, Graduate School of Medicine, Kyoto University, 54 Shogoin Kawahara-cho, Sakyo-ku, Kyoto 606- 8507, Japan

Man, this stuff is so hard to understand.

The first trial was 29 days after onset of hearing loss.

The second trial I need to read again, like 4 times. It's just out of my realm of expertise. Not stupid, just no formal training whatsoever.

IGF1 seems to be so promising with PRP as the vehicle or delivery system.
The Japanese seem to be doing a lot of research as well as Stanford on this growth factor. I wonder if this has become standard protocol in Japan?
This is why conferences and communication is so important for "peer review" and scientific progress to be made.

Bottom line... You have regained hearing and your tinnitus is gone.

I wish this for me and everyone on here too...

 

[Daniel Lion]

Jesus this thread has turned into a battle zone.

If that is Minbo Shim's Tinnitus Talk account and he does watch this thread the rare times he comes on... Then he'll definitely probably not want to get into contact with anyone here...

Tinnitus patients are an easy mark, that's why this is a battle zone. That's why Contrast has outed people selling medicine with claims that are false... Ripping people off.
People have the same concerns about laser therapy, stem cell therapy, anything expensive because we are desperate and in a lot of pain. We have lost our old lives and many people are facing cochlear implants, or have raging hypercusis as you know.
Being skeptical and inquisitive is science.

Obeying the "word" and accepting it on faith is religion.

I am sure everybody is stoked and happy John got his hearing back and is not tormented by tinnitus and wants the same for GlennAz, I think people here are being cautious because a lot of members are not cashed up and getting treatment would mean a bank loan, or tapping up relatives.

I am just interested in the science and PRP and to see if it will help more people.
Like in Spider Man, "with great power, comes great responsibility"
Big claims warrant good explanations... fair play generally.

What do you think GSC?

 

[uae96]

As soon as I read him (Dr. Shimbo) replying "hearing will improve, then tinnitus disappears" I knew this Minbo is just f***ckin* bullshit.

Hahahhaha.

I can't believe the creator of this thread is still here trying to back up some fake scientific shit.

If you really are better then I think it's better you stop stressing yourself and go enjoy your life tinnitus free instead of fighting for Mr. Kim Jong-un.

 

[Daniel Lion]

Can you get in touch with him via email or Skype? Here is his contact info:
Email: solsamclinic@gmail.com / Skype ID: cmclinics

I do feel the aggressive negative attacks against Minbo Shim are a little unbalanced which is understandable as the tinnitus community makes people highly skeptical and pessimistic about cures with all the scams out there. In digging through his website myself, I have found more information on his procedure and more video testimonials from patients than any other ENTs I've found. Highly regarded ENTs I've found in the US don't have anything like that and talks more about insurance policies than anything else. The House Clinic, a world renowned hearing clinic in the US has 5 case studies and 3 relate to hearing loss and causes were with acoustic neuromas, diabetes and blockage. Their listed treatments for tinnitus is the same shit we've seen for the last 2 decades. TRT, hearing aids, etc... I don't see them divulging details of any kind cures to hearing loss. You can't even talk to a doctor without making an appointment first. Why can't I just text them and ask them how exactly will they restore my hearing? Not gonna happen. Oh and it's $500 just to get a consult if you don't have insurance.

I do see Mimbo Shim outputting data and testimonials, making himself available. See if your own ENT would do the same. I doubt it. I think we need to pull our claws back a little and be a bit more understanding to his behavior like missing the conference or being abrupt via email. I email my ENT and he doesn't have time to reply, he has to have his assistant do it. I think many here see Mimbo Shim has a magical unicorn that is always available with all the right answers. No, he's a busy ass doctor but does more than most but I agree more specifics would be helpful because it is a large investment and the trip alone is very difficult, hearing wise, for many of us. It could cause a huge spike or raise our baseline and I hope he understands why we would like a little bit more reassurance because of the risks we have to take just getting there. I myself would have to go by boat.

Let's start approaching this realistically in a more reasonable manner.

1. Has @Markku or @Jack Straw reached out to Dr. Minbo Shim yet to invite him onto the Podcast? If and when that happens please share the outcome of that invite.

2. @JohnAdams can you reach out to Dr. Minbo Shim as well and invite him to speak on the Tinnitus Talk Podcast? You have formed the best relationship with him than any of us and it may help coming from you as well. You and @GlennAz have implied that he is a caring doctor and I believe you two when you say that and I hope you can convey to him that we are a community in suffering that is very interested in his work and that we sure could use a bit of that caring right now and for him to give us a little bit of his time when permitted from his crazy schedule and help us understand how he may be able to help us.

3. Let's get a real devil's advocate and instead of us assuming this is a scam and doesn't work, let's get medical professionals in related fields to get on the Tinnitus Talk Podcast and tell us why Dr. Minbo Shim's protocol doesn't work. No more arm chair doctors. I want the real deal, on camera, on the record, explaining to us if this a scam, then why.

Everyone deserves respect. Let's not jump to conclusions and let's get to the facts and keep things realistic. And always ask yourself when passing judgment, what would my own ENT do. Mine just offered me a free phone for the hearing impaired so at least I have that going for me.

Really well put.

Excellent ideas another sean.

Awesome idea... Have a third party... It would be great to get Stefan Heller, or Charles Liberman, or somebody like Karp. A scientist who understands this stuff. I do not... that's for sure... I am an arm chair doctor...

 

[JohnAdams]

@JohnAdams, we have had to defend ourselves against your baseless accusations so many times by now, both publicly and in private; this is becoming really tiresome. We have far better things to do than argue with you.

I trust that most of our members have the good sense to know what Tinnitus Hub is all about and that we are not the evil conspirators you make us out to be. We are completely transparent about what we do; see for instance this new thread. If you don't like our work, that's fine, but at least get your facts straight and stop with the allegations of evil conspiracy.

Same goes for your allegations against @David. I think he explained exceedingly well in our podcast episode what the BTA is doing for a cure, and it's certainly not in line with the picture you're painting.

Also, I need to point out that your posts in this thread are becoming increasingly aggressive. Calling people "mental midgets" or "idiotic losers" (for whatever reason) goes directly against our code of conduct. Let's keep this a place for civil discussion. Others are as much entitled to their opinions as you.

Cool.

It has been shown in human clinical trials that IGF-1 eardrum injections may very well be capable of restoring hearing loss by regenerating hair cells, at the least protecting them from apoptosis, which is what's most important to the topic of this forum.

Dexamethasone steroid injections also have been shown to be effective at preventing permanent hearing loss when injected quickly after acoustic trauma. Neither of these things are being offered as a standard intervention for acoustic trauma.

This is not a popularity contest. This is not a contest at all. Let's work together to cure tinnitus. The BTA isn't doing that. They are actually not very transparent in their decision making processes. They are funding research into non curative studies while downplaying the effectiveness of things like dexamethasone treatment which is contradictory to published medical science.

Here is a breakdown of that study:

First from the BTA: https://www.tinnitus.org.uk/2018-at...lliance-tinnitus-priority-setting-partnership
"The steroid dexamethasone was used on 27 patients, with 27 others in the control group receiving a saline injection. There was some improvement in both groups, but there was no significant difference between them [46]."

[46] Choi SJ, Lee JB, Lim HJ, In SM et al. Intratympanic dexamethasone injection for refractory tinnitus: prospective placebo-controlled study.Laryngoscope. 2013: Nov 123(11): 2817-22. doi: 10.1002/lary.24126


I have access to the full text of this study.
Now we aren't even talking about IGF-1. PRP. Me. Minbo Shim. Whatever.

We are talking about the detrimental incompetence of the British Tinnitus
Association.

Analysis of he aforementioned study:

Introduction:

"Thirty patients with refractory tinnitus who were diagnosed in the Department of Otolaryngology, Ajou University Hospital, Suwon, Republic of Korea, between 2006 and 2007 were enrolled and then were assigned into two groups of ITDI (15 patients) or saline (15 patients) by permuted block randomization. Intratympanic injections were double‐blind performed four times within 2 weeks. After 4 weeks, we analyzed the improvement and aggravation rates of tinnitus using the following parameters: questionnaires, tinnitus handicap index (THI), loudness matching test, frequency, and duration of tinnitus."

"This work was supported by Konyang University Myunggok Research Fund of 2009."

Source:

So this study was performed between 2 to 3 years after they were diagnosed with tinnitus. Of course intratympanic steroids wouldn't help them. Their hair cells would have long been dead (apoptosis).

The whole point of dexamethasone intervention is to be administered quickly, shortly after acoustic trauma, to prevent hair cell apoptosis (death of the hair cell).

The previous paper I've cited numerous times regarding IGF-1 treatment vs dexamethasone had populations that improved in both groups, but intervention occurred quickly, within 25 days, not 2 to 3 years.

"Patients who had been diagnosed as having SSHL and who had no recovery after systemic glucocorticoid treatment for more than 7 days were recruited within 25 days of SSHL onset"

Source:

The BTA is very influential in the tinnitus world of academia. They are quoted in college level textbooks about tinnitus and hyperacusis. They are dismissing and ignoring interventions that may have very well helped the majority of us avoid chronic hearing loss and tinnitus, if we had had access to them as soon as we first acquired our acoustic traumas. However, the main intervention being offered to us is oral steroids, which from the accounts of patients on this forum, including myself, is obviously ineffective. So why is that even the main intervention? Oral steroids? Wouldn't intratympanic steroids be more effective? Topical vs. systemic application? The science points to a more effective result when administered intratympanically shortly after onset of hearing loss. However, the mention of IT dexamethasone use from the BTA's website just downplays any use of this, while not mentioning that the study they sourced was on patients that were years into their onset. It seems as if they are making arguments against effective interventions while taking money and funding non-curative research into mindfulness. Am I the only one that sees how detrimental this is? Their actions are possibly increasing the number of people that don't recover from tinnitus, while also not funding research into the very things that may reverse it. Their very existence could be delaying any progress whatsoever.

Maybe the BTA staff have good intentions, but maybe they are not equipped to handle their level of influence.

 

[Daniel Lion]

As soon as I read him (Dr. Shimbo) replying "hearing will improve, then tinnitus disappears" I knew this Minbo is just f***ckin* bullshit.

Hahahhaha.

I can't believe the creator of this thread is still here trying to back up some fake scientific shit.

If you really are better then I think it's better you stop stressing yourself and go enjoy your life tinnitus free instead of fighting for Mr. Kim Jong-un.

Hello sir,

We are trying to keep the language clean and no racist insults. Please rephrase your comments, or apologize, or not contribute.

Your comments could be interpreted as racist, as that is not the docto'rs name, and this forum is a collective of different people of different nations, colors, and beliefs.

Thanks for understanding.

 

[Flamingo1]

You could be firmly resting your buttocks on a new Harley

I'd rather spend my money on a treatment that MAY work over something that's going to worsen my tinnitus!

 

[grate_biff]

Man I wonder what ever happened to @bill 112, I hope he's okay.

Sadly, I think it's pretty obvious he killed himself. He was very active on here and in a lot of pain because of noxacusis. Then, poof, he is gone.

 

[just1morething]

I'd rather spend my money on a treatment that MAY work over something that's going to worsen my tinnitus!

Over seventy injections seems too many to me and after the bone marrow procedure my ass modeling career could be over. Seriously though Dr. Shim's injections should be more well known by now if they worked so well I would think. I do hope they work though so we have a viable option at this time.

 

[Hazel]

This is not a popularity contest. This is not a contest at all. Let's work together to cure tinnitus.

With respect, but you seem to be the one turning this into a contest, by becoming abusive against anyone who expresses even the slightest doubt or criticism against Dr. Shim. Your post above is fine, but some of your previous posts were really borderline, as have been some of your PMs to us, so please be more mindful of your language and attitude to others.

Indeed, we all want a cure, but some of us have different opinions on how to get there than others. You have a vision for how you think tinnitus will be cured, but many others are doubtful and believe that other treatment options are more likely to pan out and lead us towards a cure. You will have to respect this and stop trangressing against those who believe differently.

We (Tinnitus Hub) simply don't have the kind of influence that you seem to attribute to us, although I suspect you may find this hard to believe. I really don't understand where you get these ideas about us being some kind of influential organisation with powerful connections. We are a (very) small group of volunteers with a budget of a few thousand pounds a year (often we have to spend money out of our own pockets to keep this site and our other projects running). We loosely collaborate with some other tinnitus organisations, but are in no way in a position to tell them what their strategy should be (nor do they get to dictate ours).

The influence we do have is mainly through our public outreach channels, i.e. this site, our social media, videos and the podcast. This is why we have offered you (multiple times in fact) a platform via our podcast, but you declined. That said, we already have two podcast interviews lined up with experts on the topic of hearing regeneration: Marcelo Rivolta (see this thread), and one other tentative option with a large well-known foundation. We are doing our part to explore this topic, within the limited means available to us. So kindly refrain from any slander in future.

I don't want to comment on behalf of BTA, that's not up to me, but you do seem to making a lot of assumptions about what they might or might not be willing to do. If you want them to go in a certain direction, perhaps you should try having a civil conversation with them, and leave out all the allegations; you might be more likely to get somewhere that way, although it's possible that ship has sailed by now.

 

[Hazel]

Awesome idea... Have a third party... It would be great to get Stefan Heller, or Charles Liberman, or somebody like Karp. A scientist who understands this stuff. I do not... that's for sure... I am an arm chair doctor...

Indeed, an independent third-party expert assessment seems the way forward, and hopefully would take some of the nastiness out of this thread.

 

[just1morething]

@JohnAdams, why don't you give Dr. Paul Shea a holler and see what he thinks of Dr. Shim's procedures? I thought you were from Tennessee and maybe could meet with him sometime?

He could give you his insight if it's viable at his clinic. I doubt he would do as many injections as Dr. Shim did to you though. Maybe he would do the PRP IT injections at the very least?

 

[Liam_Cairns]

Cool.

It has been shown in human clinical trials that IGF-1 eardrum injections may very well be capable of restoring hearing loss by regenerating hair cells, at the least protecting them from apoptosis, which is what's most important to the topic of this forum.

Dexamethasone steroid injections also have been shown to be effective at preventing permanent hearing loss when injected quickly after acoustic trauma. Neither of these things are being offered as a standard intervention for acoustic trauma.

This is not a popularity contest. This is not a contest at all. Let's work together to cure tinnitus. The BTA isn't doing that. They are actually not very transparent in their decision making processes. They are funding research into non curative studies while downplaying the effectiveness of things like dexamethasone treatment which is contradictory to published medical science.

Here is a breakdown of that study:

First from the BTA: https://www.tinnitus.org.uk/2018-at...lliance-tinnitus-priority-setting-partnership
"The steroid dexamethasone was used on 27 patients, with 27 others in the control group receiving a saline injection. There was some improvement in both groups, but there was no significant difference between them [46]."

[46] Choi SJ, Lee JB, Lim HJ, In SM et al. Intratympanic dexamethasone injection for refractory tinnitus: prospective placebo-controlled study.Laryngoscope. 2013: Nov 123(11): 2817-22. doi: 10.1002/lary.24126


I have access to the full text of this study.
Now we aren't even talking about IGF-1. PRP. Me. Minbo Shim. Whatever.

We are talking about the detrimental incompetence of the British Tinnitus
Association.

Analysis of he aforementioned study:
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Introduction:

"Thirty patients with refractory tinnitus who were diagnosed in the Department of Otolaryngology, Ajou University Hospital, Suwon, Republic of Korea, between 2006 and 2007 were enrolled and then were assigned into two groups of ITDI (15 patients) or saline (15 patients) by permuted block randomization. Intratympanic injections were double‐blind performed four times within 2 weeks. After 4 weeks, we analyzed the improvement and aggravation rates of tinnitus using the following parameters: questionnaires, tinnitus handicap index (THI), loudness matching test, frequency, and duration of tinnitus."

"This work was supported by Konyang University Myunggok Research Fund of 2009."

Source:
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So this study was performed between 2 to 3 years after they were diagnosed with tinnitus. Of course intratympanic steroids wouldn't help them. Their hair cells would have long been dead (apoptosis).

The whole point of dexamethasone intervention is to be administered quickly, shortly after acoustic trauma, to prevent hair cell apoptosis (death of the hair cell).

The previous paper I've cited numerous times regarding IGF-1 treatment vs dexamethasone had populations that improved in both groups, but intervention occurred quickly, within 25 days, not 2 to 3 years.

"Patients who had been diagnosed as having SSHL and who had no recovery after systemic glucocorticoid treatment for more than 7 days were recruited within 25 days of SSHL onset"

Source:

View attachment 29796



The BTA is very influential in the tinnitus world of academia. They are quoted in college level textbooks about tinnitus and hyperacusis. They are dismissing and ignoring interventions that may have very well helped the majority of us avoid chronic hearing loss and tinnitus, if we had had access to them as soon as we first acquired our acoustic traumas. However, the main intervention being offered to us is oral steroids, which from the accounts of patients on this forum, including myself, is obviously ineffective. So why is that even the main intervention? Oral steroids? Wouldn't intratympanic steroids be more effective? Topical vs. systemic application? The science points to a more effective result when administered intratympanically shortly after onset of hearing loss. However, the mention of IT dexamethasone use from the BTA's website just downplays any use of this, while not mentioning that the study they sourced was on patients that were years into their onset. It seems as if they are making arguments against effective interventions while taking money and funding non-curative research into mindfulness. Am I the only one that sees how detrimental this is? Their actions are possibly increasing the number of people that don't recover from tinnitus, while also not funding research into the very things that may reverse it. Their very existence could be delaying any progress whatsoever.

Maybe the BTA staff have good intentions, but maybe they are not equipped to handle their level of influence.

All the studies I have read say that there is no difference between oral or intratympanic administration of steroids as long as the dose is 60mg and there is no difference between Dexamethasone or Prednisone in efficacy. Please post studies that find contrary as I have searched and cannot find any. I am legitimately interested as I guess it makes sense as it is directly delivered to the source.

 

[JohnAdams]

Wouldn't the real question be whether or not there is enough IGF-1 content in PRP and/or bone marrow to diffuse into the round window to give efficacy in X number of doses?

 

[vttbx]

Can you get in touch with him via email or Skype? Here is his contact info:
Email: solsamclinic@gmail.com / Skype ID: cmclinics

I do feel the aggressive negative attacks against Minbo Shim are a little unbalanced which is understandable as the tinnitus community makes people highly skeptical and pessimistic about cures with all the scams out there. In digging through his website myself, I have found more information on his procedure and more video testimonials from patients than any other ENTs I've found. Highly regarded ENTs I've found in the US don't have anything like that and talks more about insurance policies than anything else. The House Clinic, a world renowned hearing clinic in the US has 5 case studies and 3 relate to hearing loss and causes were with acoustic neuromas, diabetes and blockage. Their listed treatments for tinnitus is the same shit we've seen for the last 2 decades. TRT, hearing aids, etc... I don't see them divulging details of any kind cures to hearing loss. You can't even talk to a doctor without making an appointment first. Why can't I just text them and ask them how exactly will they restore my hearing? Not gonna happen. Oh and it's $500 just to get a consult if you don't have insurance.

I'm a patient of The House Clinic and have been equally disappointed in their lack of research on a cure for tinnitus or tinnitus-related hearing loss. And all their treatments are as dated as you stated.

 

[just1morething]

Wouldn't the real question be whether or not there is enough IGF-1 content in PRP and/or bone marrow to diffuse into the round window to give efficacy in X number of doses?

I would suppose. Who would know the IGF-1 content in PRP? Can it be concentrated for minimal injections and still be effective, or is it all guesswork?

 

[Artemis2K]

I would suppose. Who would know the IGF-1 content in PRP? Can it be concentrated for minimal injections and still be effective, or is it all guesswork?

Perhaps this could answer your question? Not sure.

https://www.ors.org/Transactions/58/1650.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23211708
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3565396/

 

[another sean]

@JohnAdams are you still in Korea on your second trip? Can you ask Dr. Mimbo Shim if he would speak with us? If time is an issue, we could collectively submit a list of questions for him to answer at his leisure? It would probably help reduce the questioning he gets directly that can take up so much of his time if it's done in a group fashion.

 

[just1morething]

I'd rather spend my money on a treatment that MAY work over something that's going to worsen my tinnitus!

I'd love to drive my motorcycle along Florida's east coast next to the ocean. My noise seems pretty good atm but I lost my right hearing aid/masker Some anti-inflammatory supplements seem to be helping.

 

[Daniel Lion]

@JohnAdams are you still in Korea on your second trip? Can you ask Dr. Mimbo Shim if he would speak with us? If time is an issue, we could collectively submit a list of questions for him to answer at his leisure? It would probably help reduce the questioning he gets directly that can take up so much of his time if it's done in a group fashion.

Dude...

Remember when you said you're weary of flying... Holy smokes... When I went back to the United States last year the flight literally destroyed me... I had to go to the ER in Boston after about 8 days... I was freaking. It's really a problem for me when it comes to getting home to the USA.

I seriously need to research boats, but am also afraid they may be noisy as hell. A difficult predicament.. for me at least. My kids fell in love with the USA last summer... I will break up the flights next time with rests in between...

Anyways, your comment really resonated with me, as flying is a real issue for some of us... The pressure and sound...

Take care bud and keep eating your stellar foods... Inspiring for me... I try and do the same with my limited resources...

Take care,
Daniel

 

[just1morething]

Left ear spiking after nap for no apparent reason.

 

[Daniel Lion]

Left ear spiking after nap for no apparent reason.

That's the freaking mystery... why?

Perhaps your posture when you were sleeping since you have TMJ?

Man, I want to send you a box of prednisone and benzos, you can buy the stuff here like candy.

How can I manage to remain clean and sober is a mystery to me... maybe I'm growing up? It is nice as a back up just knowing it's there...

I hope your spike calms down ASAP... I am sure it will.

 

[just1morething]

I did get a 4 mg dosepac refilled today (21 tablets).

 

[Gman]

Dude...

Remember when you said you're weary of flying... Holy smokes... When I went back to the United States last year the flight literally destroyed me... I had to go to the ER in Boston after about 8 days... I was freaking. It's really a problem for me when it comes to getting home to the USA.

I seriously need to research boats, but am also afraid they may be noisy as hell. A difficult predicament.. for me at least. My kids fell in love with the USA last summer... I will break up the flights next time with rests in between...

Anyways, your comment really resonated with me, as flying is a real issue for some of us... The pressure and sound...

Take care bud and keep eating your stellar foods... Inspiring for me... I try and do the same with my limited resources...

Take care,
Daniel

Fly on an Airbus, such as the A380 or A350. I avoid noisy Boeing planes.

 

[another sean]

I've been trying to dig up more local info about Dr. Mimbo Shim 심민보 (always reminds me of mumbo jumbo) and the clinic 솔샘이비인후과. He's been pretty active on Naver.

(Use Google Chrome to translate).

He's written 140 blog posts here which are pretty brief.

He's answered 630 help question here.

Then in another blog with 86 more detailed posts here with plenty of audiograms and the last was written today so it's current.

I've actually read a lot of interesting and informative stuff after going through all this and it has helped me understand him a bit better.

My biggest question so far is what the heck is Ant Study Academy on top of his clinic and do they really just study ants?