drivera2592
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I want to believe that he has something that can help everyone, but I honestly think he doesn't
South Korean Clinic Treatment (Dr. Minbo Shim)
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I want to believe that he has something that can help everyone, but I honestly think he doesn't
Member- May 29, 2015
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- Tinnitus Since
- 2012
- Cause of Tinnitus
- I had tinnitus for as long as I can remember. Got bad later.
You know what? My life got better after I decided to have faith he was honest. My depression lessened and my thoughts of suicide were gone. I don't want to lose this faith until I see evidence that he is a fraud.
I would rather avoid being misanthropic and cynical again.
Here Here! I'm also talking to a SC clinic in AZ to I'll have to pick. I'm willing to try something new here. Ed209 has very valid points regarding this guy too
drivera2592
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Yep, they *claim* to be able to help with hearing loss? No mention of tinnitus of course but hell. They called me today but I wasn't awake. I'm gonna set up a call with them tomorrow and ask some q's
drivera2592
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humptydumpty69
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No, You can't get those in the USA as far as I know. Just Asian countries
drivera2592
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Dont you think Mute Button and Susan Shores device is a bit more promising and maybe worth the investment instead of something that is supposed to treat hearing loss ?
Oh I agree, considering my measurable HL is minimal in the first place. I'm just exploring some options in the mean time. I wanna have faith in mutebutton and I have no clue when Shore's device will be out. I wanna put the fucking nail in the coffin of T.
humptydumpty69
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@PDodge, So I searched far and wide to find this; my friend @noitseuq sent this to me awhile ago:
"I emailed a clinic in Arizona and they just replied.
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humptydumpty69
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Well it seems so, but I thought all of that was illegal in US too, so now I'm not sure what is going on. Why is Arizona so special, or did the law change? They are talking about adipose laws changing, so I have no idea.
Sorry to change the subject. I'm stoked to see those Skype Screenshots! @Zeneth
- May 29, 2015
- 664
- 30
- Tinnitus Since
- 2012
- Cause of Tinnitus
- I had tinnitus for as long as I can remember. Got bad later.
I must have misunderstood. Can't figure out about the Vitamin D thing because that email address is gone. Oh well, not a big deal at all.
humptydumpty69
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So most of this is good news. I'm glad to read that the side effects have been so minimal; he is claiming 0.06% mild otitis. 1-2 months is much better than the stem cell window of recovery. Also, I suppose it makes sense that the more PRP you get, 3 weeks worth of injections, the better chances you have of recovery. And again, obviously if your whole ear is blown out, you are going to have much difficulty with recovery, and he says can't resurrect.
My concern is that some patients experience recurrence. So this means that the effects are temporary? Is there a specific ear condition that sees this outcome more than others? Can we predict this in any way? Also, those patients who have complete deafness, I wonder if they experience any progress at all, or they just plainly cannot be helped with this treatment?
When he says "Yes," after "Usually I take 1~2months until you feel any recovery," what is he replying to with affirmation? Was it the intra-tympanic injections?
As far as my conjecture on the matter, I have seen wonderful results with PRP used on both recent and aged facial scars. Although the skin does heal, and fairly well, and this must be a huge factor in the use of PRP aiding with healing. Though I would argue that the ears do heal as well, and that I have experienced it personally by means of alternative therapies; it is just that they heal terribly, terribly inefficiently. I like to think that loads of "Sticky PRP" could do something, but that it would take multiple treatments. I think that we should consider that even though the viscosity should aid in adhering to the cochlea, I would imagine that the inner-ear fluid still washes a decent amount of PRP away. If I were considering this, I would gear up for the 3 weeks, and do no less than the 2 weeks. If the viscosity wasn't being utilized, I don't know that I would even be considering a PRP procedure; but I really like the idea of this application.
My concern is that some patients experience recurrence. So this means that the effects are temporary? Is there a specific ear condition that sees this outcome more than others? Can we predict this in any way? Also, those patients who have complete deafness, I wonder if they experience any progress at all, or they just plainly cannot be helped with this treatment?
When he says "Yes," after "Usually I take 1~2months until you feel any recovery," what is he replying to with affirmation? Was it the intra-tympanic injections?
As far as my conjecture on the matter, I have seen wonderful results with PRP used on both recent and aged facial scars. Although the skin does heal, and fairly well, and this must be a huge factor in the use of PRP aiding with healing. Though I would argue that the ears do heal as well, and that I have experienced it personally by means of alternative therapies; it is just that they heal terribly, terribly inefficiently. I like to think that loads of "Sticky PRP" could do something, but that it would take multiple treatments. I think that we should consider that even though the viscosity should aid in adhering to the cochlea, I would imagine that the inner-ear fluid still washes a decent amount of PRP away. If I were considering this, I would gear up for the 3 weeks, and do no less than the 2 weeks. If the viscosity wasn't being utilized, I don't know that I would even be considering a PRP procedure; but I really like the idea of this application.
drivera2592
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I completely agree with you. This guy is sketchy! If his method truly works, then why isn't he all over the news?
- May 29, 2015
- 664
- 30
- Tinnitus Since
- 2012
- Cause of Tinnitus
- I had tinnitus for as long as I can remember. Got bad later.
Okay, but what about the frequency dips @vaka reported. He did an in-depth analysis of the results, and some of them had frequencies lose some slight hearing while everything else improved. Of course, they appeared correctable by doing another shot, but that doesn't mean those dips aren't worth acknowledging. Did he improve his procedure?
No, I just have to wait on my passport. It would be great if this community could help me further research in the meantime. Tinnitus and hyperacusis has almost ruined my life and I'm desperate, and I love you all as well and am willing to try this out because if it does of course I will declare it, and perhaps bring many of us that can make the trip out of eeeeeeeeee mind torture.
- May 29, 2015
- 664
- 30
- Tinnitus Since
- 2012
- Cause of Tinnitus
- I had tinnitus for as long as I can remember. Got bad later.
In a similar fashion, Dr. Lutz Wilden isn't that well-known, and also had people accuse him being a scammer. He has been in practice with LLLT for decades. I originally thought that he was bullcrap, and yet multiple people here have said that his devices truly have helped them, and the science of LLLT that I read online seemed realistic. I bought one for myself, and it has helped a little, but I don't see it fully reversing my problems.
Wilden is one of the reasons why I have kept an open mind with "if this works, why hasn't he been all over the news?". Despite several people saying Wilden helped them, he doesn't really have much of a name.
I cannot explain why someone with a unique treatment that worked wouldn't want to get the message out. It's weird, but it hasn't deterred me from wanting to see evidence.
Wilden is one of the reasons why I have kept an open mind with "if this works, why hasn't he been all over the news?". Despite several people saying Wilden helped them, he doesn't really have much of a name.
I cannot explain why someone with a unique treatment that worked wouldn't want to get the message out. It's weird, but it hasn't deterred me from wanting to see evidence.
Coleoptere
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Because he did not go the official (FDA) way. So he is not accepted in hospitals etc.
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