Lying to an intruder is not a felony, so once again your comparison attempts are lacking.
Toilet Lid Noise and Corticosteroids?
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Since in both cases people are telling you what to do (even though we are talking about your own body in the ER example, and your child in my example), the only difference is the identity of the people telling you what to do "or else". The way I see it, the fact that they ARE telling you what to do in such a situation, removes any moral authority they might have had to be listened to.
What? The dishonesty and U.S. felony is in (general) you telling a family member to lie to a medical professional in order to secure a medical prescription for you.
Having an ER doctor tell you to take a medication and then you deciding not to finish taking the full dose of the medication is not lying. That is not a felony.
Also, in one scenario you have willingly sought out the medical advice of the person who is telling you what to do. You chose to go to the ER. In the intruder scenario you did not choose to seek out an intruder nor their opinion of what you should do.
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I was comparing intruders and the government. Both threaten harming you should you disobey their commands. It is one thing for the government to protect the citizens, it is another to dictate to you whether or not to take a risk taking some pills that you want to take (and in the worst case scenario you will be the only one harmed by your decision).
MemberIf I ran to the doctor to get prednisone every time I heard a loud noise I would literally ALWAYS be on the drug. Unless you're exposed to a true noise trauma (gun shot, fireworks, etc) you really have no businesses taking such a strong and potentially dangerous medication. And yes, you should absolutely not be lying to doctors about your prescription history or having family members obtain fraudulent prescriptions. There is a reason doctors don't like putting patients on prednisone, it's not because they "don't understand tinnitus", it's because it's a dangerous f**king drug!
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The original poster said that not only was the noise loud, but he felt a full ear sensation and his T spiking.
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But the doctors might not understand that for some people T getting louder = having to commit suicide. For those people, the expected damage due to a dangerous drug would be a Small price to pay to increase the chance that they remain alive.
Sounds like hyperacusis and anxiety, rather than actually damage. It sets a dangerous precedent to obtain prednisone every time you have a minor incident, a very "slippery slope". Like I said, things like this happen to me all the time, you can't escape loud noises. The UPS guy knocked loudly on my metal screen door right as I was opening the wooden interior door yesterday, it was loud and inches away from my ears. Should I get prednisone now? Of course not, these things will happen, and they will keep happening, we can't let our anxiety control us.
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If the symptoms go away the next day and it becomes clear that it was a false alarm, one could always stop taking prednisone.
One pill shouldn't cause a lot of damage.
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You got me there Bill... Although I still don't believe people should be self administering prednisone, and neither does the medical community. Beyond just the safety aspect of it, what's gonna happen the next time OP hears another loud noise? And the next time? And the time after that? Slippery slope...
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Initially I took prednisone after experiencing full ear sensation following being exposed to things like slamming metal doors. Later I stopped getting ear fullness after similar shocks, so I stopped taking prednisone.
I agree that one should err on the side of NOT taking it. But when I have physical symptoms after being around noise, then taking prednisone is one of the options that is on the table for me.
Finally, people are waking up to the ridiculous overuse of prednisone on this forum. There has been little regard towards other people's health when throwing out suggestions to take this steroid every time a loud noise is encountered. Leave the pharmaceutical advice to the doctors. Not only is it bad for ones physical health if taken incorrectly, but it also limits ones ability to overcome tinnitus. If you train your mind to live in fear of sound - which is essentially what you are doing by taking steroids in this way - you will also become phonophobic.
The so-called poll studies, and other relevant links, are embarrassing as they prove nothing at all. I've been saying this for a long time, but some people are stuck in a tinnitus bubble. Taking advice, or trying to seek meaning from a place full of people suffering, is not an ideal demographic to seek any meaningful truths. It's just far too biased.
The so-called poll studies, and other relevant links, are embarrassing as they prove nothing at all. I've been saying this for a long time, but some people are stuck in a tinnitus bubble. Taking advice, or trying to seek meaning from a place full of people suffering, is not an ideal demographic to seek any meaningful truths. It's just far too biased.
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Well, the poll below DOES PROVE A LOT, and IS informative:
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...orum-more-useful-than-your-ents-advice.28006/
The experience of the majority of people on this forum is not consistent with what you wrote above (as evidenced by that poll that I linked to above).
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We will have to agree to disagree, as I believe that it is a good thing to be scared of scary things that have the potential to do serious harm to you.
Having said the above, most of those things can't be compared to that MRI that caused your serious spike. How are you feeling now? (No matter what your answer is going to be, I would never use that information in any arguments we might end up having in the future. That would be messed up.)
I still have a new tone in my left ear Bill and I'd say it's possibly slightly worse overall, but it's hard to gauge. Thanks for asking though.
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I am very sorry to hear that.
My longest spike lasted for over 3 months, so hopefully what you are having now might still be just a temporary spike.
Thank you for sharing your experience with all of us on this forum.
It's the nature of the game bill. I knew as I lay there that it was far too loud and I was stuck in it for 20 minutes. It is what it is. In normal circumstances I would have run a mile.
Most of what I learned with that poll is about the agenda of its creator, so in a sense you could indeed say it proves a lot and is informative.
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What might that be?
Your refusal to "believe your lying eyes" ("90% of the people agreeing that ENTs are useless as far at T is concerned" means something) tells me a lot about you.
How could the advice of an ENT be more useful than "the advice on this forum" considering every advice the ENT can possibly give you is also on this forum? Come on, this forum has gigabytes of advice. How can 30 minutes with an ENT, should they be a good or a bad one, beat this?
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I think usefulness is more related to quality than quantity. This forum has a lot of quantity, but extracting the "substantifique moelle" can be quite challenging.
Too much information and bogus information can be counter-productive.
@Bambam0 funny topic, but...
I have some T and noticed the loud and sound of a toilet lid being thrown open against the tank, or dropped heavily and thought it was quite harsh (where in the past it may have been loud but didn't hurt). Someone pointed out to me this is a sign of H, which I could well be, but I think mine is minor if so.
I also measured the toilet lid drop and the max noise level was 100db, and the noise was very white (ie all frequencies like 100-20kHz represented.)
If you did not have T before, then if it was me, I somehow lived through hundred of loud toilet lids drops. Of course, loud noise exposure is a cumulative thing. But as to what you are experiencing and need to do, you need to make the decisions for yourself.
I have some T and noticed the loud and sound of a toilet lid being thrown open against the tank, or dropped heavily and thought it was quite harsh (where in the past it may have been loud but didn't hurt). Someone pointed out to me this is a sign of H, which I could well be, but I think mine is minor if so.
I also measured the toilet lid drop and the max noise level was 100db, and the noise was very white (ie all frequencies like 100-20kHz represented.)
If you did not have T before, then if it was me, I somehow lived through hundred of loud toilet lids drops. Of course, loud noise exposure is a cumulative thing. But as to what you are experiencing and need to do, you need to make the decisions for yourself.
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I have no idea whether prednisone causes cancer. Yet it does suppress the immune system. We get cancer all the time but our immune system takes care of it. On the surface it seems reasonable to suggest that it could give some cancer cells a foothold to gain control.
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It is a very serious drug. The "long term" effects can cause severe and permanent complications. But some doctors do routinely prescribe a short-term course for minor conditions like contact dermatitis. I've had it prescribed to me three times for poison oak and hair dye allergy, alone! Although I did ask for it.
The reality is that when it comes to acoustic trauma, most doctors know next to nothing about treatment. Or tinnitus. And they don't consider it a serious issue at all.
It's a crisis situation. It's a *medical emergency* that must be treated immediately and aggressively. If it was your eyes they'd rush you to the ER. But your ears ...
We're talking about toilet lid dropping though, I sure wouldn't rush myself to the ER for that. Minor loud noises like this get blown way out of proportion on this site.
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