War in Ukraine — Megathread

Lindsey Graham thinks the US is getting its money's worth by funding Ukraine.

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Having spent less than 3% of annual U.S. military budget in security assistance, Ukraine managed to cut Russia's combat capacity in half, U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said at a press conference in Kyiv on Aug. 23.

"This is the best investment for American security ever; Ukraine is a fantastic partner — we have not seen such a partner since Churchill," the senator said.

"When the Russian invasion began, we were told that Kyiv would fall in four days, and the country — in three weeks," Graham adds.

"This was the biggest misunderstanding of Ukrainians and overestimation of the Russian army by our intelligence. I myself thought the Russian army was better than it is."
 
Russia never did anything to us. Our involvement in this is for the monetary benefit of the Military Industrial Complex, corrupt U.S. politicians, such as Biden, and corrupt Ukrainian political, business and military leaders.
 
Russia never did anything to us. Our involvement in this is for the monetary benefit of the Military Industrial Complex, corrupt U.S. politicians, such as Biden, and corrupt Ukrainian political, business and military leaders.
Joe Biden went a long way to cover his son's antics in Ukraine.

Anyway, what can one expect from a man who compares the tragedy in Hawaii to the prospect of "almost losing his Corvette and his cat" in a fire?
 
Lindsey Graham thinks the US is getting its money's worth by funding Ukraine.

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Having spent less than 3% of annual U.S. military budget in security assistance, Ukraine managed to cut Russia's combat capacity in half, U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said at a press conference in Kyiv on Aug. 23.

"This is the best investment for American security ever; Ukraine is a fantastic partner — we have not seen such a partner since Churchill," the senator said.

"When the Russian invasion began, we were told that Kyiv would fall in four days, and the country — in three weeks," Graham adds.

"This was the biggest misunderstanding of Ukrainians and overestimation of the Russian army by our intelligence. I myself thought the Russian army was better than it is."
At the expense of 500,000 dead and injured Ukes.
 
Russia never did anything to us. Our involvement in this is for the monetary benefit of the Military Industrial Complex, corrupt U.S. politicians, such as Biden, and corrupt Ukrainian political, business and military leaders.
Yep, money laundering scheme for the MIC and the politicians.
 
Should rename this thread to "United States Proxy War."
Yep, money laundering scheme for the MIC and the politicians.
The supporters of this administration are still going on and on about Trump, while seventy-five billion dollars of our tax money goes to this war which has accomplished absolutely nothing but bloodshed, death, bad relations between countries, and the threat of worse to come.

I do not care who gets elected, as long as they put an end to this madness.
 
Some of you could use a crash course in history. Ukraine was not the first to be invaded by Russia. Chechnya was invaded twice. Georgia was invaded once and lost part of its territory. Then Ukraine was invaded and lost Crimea. And now Ukraine was invaded again, and risks losing more territory. And little by little, Russia is actually growing its borders. BUT THE USA and NATO!

Several Russian officials have already stated their desire to re-create the Russian Empire, with its old borders. Putin has also made his goals clear for the population of Ukraine, did you guys totally miss that part?

According to Putin, they are subhuman trash that Putin wants to exterminate, for lebensraum for proper Russians, and somehow, it is Ukraines fault for keeping on defending itself?
Russia never did anything to us
Off the top of my head, cyber attacks on US GOV agencies + infrastructure, meddling in US elections, and operating extensive disinformation campaigns to weaken and manipulate American society which they've had tremendous success in.
The supporters of this administration are still going on and on about Trump, while seventy-five billion dollars of our tax money goes to this war which has accomplished absolutely nothing but bloodshed, death, bad relations between countries, and the threat of worse to come.

I do not care who gets elected, as long as they put an end to this madness.
I'm still waiting on your answer btw. You've yet to address/have conveniently ignored what would likely happen if Russia were allowed to consolidate the territory they have already maliciously and brutally stolen.

Sure, the United States has a legitimate interest in the outcome, but this is a defensive war Ukraine didn't start. Russia made the choice to invade unjustly. US has a legal right to provide aid requested by another sovereign government. You do realize Ukrainians want to fight, right? Their right to exist is on the line.

The main thing here is, if Ukraine want to keep fighting for what is theirs, then let them. Don't want to pay for it? Don't. Don't support your local politician, don't give money in fundraising, don't buy specific items that would help Ukraine, but do not dictate what Ukraine should do in the meantime.

The rest of the decent world will continue to support Ukraine without you.
 
Some of you could use a crash course in history. Ukraine was not the first to be invaded by Russia. Chechnya was invaded twice. Georgia was invaded once and lost part of its territory. Then Ukraine was invaded and lost Crimea. And now Ukraine was invaded again, and risks losing more territory. And little by little, Russia is actually growing its borders. BUT THE USA and NATO!

Several Russian officials have already stated their desire to re-create the Russian Empire, with its old borders. Putin has also made his goals clear for the population of Ukraine, did you guys totally miss that part?

According to Putin, they are subhuman trash that Putin wants to exterminate, for lebensraum for proper Russians, and somehow, it is Ukraines fault for keeping on defending itself?

Off the top of my head, cyber attacks on US GOV agencies + infrastructure, meddling in US elections, and operating extensive disinformation campaigns to weaken and manipulate American society which they've had tremendous success in.

I'm still waiting on your answer btw. You've yet to address/have conveniently ignored what would likely happen if Russia were allowed to consolidate the territory they have already maliciously and brutally stolen.

Sure, the United States has a legitimate interest in the outcome, but this is a defensive war Ukraine didn't start. Russia made the choice to invade unjustly. US has a legal right to provide aid requested by another sovereign government. You do realize Ukrainians want to fight, right? Their right to exist is on the line.

The main thing here is, if Ukraine want to keep fighting for what is theirs, then let them. Don't want to pay for it? Don't. Don't support your local politician, don't give money in fundraising, don't buy specific items that would help Ukraine, but do not dictate what Ukraine should do in the meantime.

The rest of the decent world will continue to support Ukraine without you.
Ukraine, with Biden's approval, has never even sat down with Russia, to negotiate.

You are attempting to make anybody who opposes the funding of the Ukraine War, appear to support Russia's policies, and a few of their nationalist extremists, which is not true.

I have no idea if Russia was responsible for a "disinformation" campaign in the United States and, for all we know, if there was, which I doubt was very extensive or successful if it existed at all, it is possible that their information was actually true or simply an opinion. What exactly did they do, and has it harmed us?

The fact is, the killing of tens of thousands of people in Ukraine, so far, has accomplished nothing because we will never know if peace could have been maintained between these two countries if there had been negotiations.

Biden wanted to be known as the new FDR, needed a war of convenience, and in the process has benefitted greatly by partnering with the extremely corrupt officials in Ukraine. The American taxpayers are funding it, and the Military Industrial Complex is the main recipient of the profits, in America.
 
Ukraine, with Biden's approval, has never even sat down with Russia, to negotiate.

You are attempting to make anybody who opposes the funding of the Ukraine War, appear to support Russia's policies, and a few of their nationalist extremists, which is not true.

I have no idea if Russia was responsible for a "disinformation" campaign in the United States and, for all we know, if there was, which I doubt was very extensive or successful if it existed at all, it is possible that their information was actually true or simply an opinion. What exactly did they do, and has it harmed us?

The fact is, the killing of tens of thousands of people in Ukraine, so far, has accomplished nothing because we will never know if peace could have been maintained between these two countries if there had been negotiations.

Biden wanted to be known as the new FDR, needed a war of convenience, and in the process has benefitted greatly by partnering with the extremely corrupt officials in Ukraine. The American taxpayers are funding it, and the Military Industrial Complex is the main recipient of the profits, in America.
Impressive mind reading.
 
Ukraine, with Biden's approval, has never even sat down with Russia, to negotiate.
I side eye anyone who thinks it's smart to negotiate with Russia.
Russian military correspondent Steshin, replying to the question how will Russians "reconcile" with Ukrainians, says they'll do it "with side glances, knocking out teeth with the butt of a gun…Some will be cured, fed, & saved. Those who don't want to live with us will get shot".
Russian Telegram channel mocks the death of six-year-old Sophia Holynska who was killed in Russia's missile strike on Chernihiv yesterday. The post has nearly 47,000 "laughing" reactions from Russian social media users.
Russia isn't a country. It's a terrorist state run by gangsters. Putin isn't a strong man ready to uphold any values, be it conservative or liberal. He's a Hitler wannabe, nothing but a 2 bit gangster running 2 countries into the ground and will forever be canonized as nothing more than a grade A prick.

Russia can give all the territory it has stolen back and GTFO. The Russians can take that deal at any time. That should be the only deal on the table.

And by the way, there were attempts at diplomacy in the weeks leading up to the war. That included phone calls between Biden and Putin.
I have no idea if Russia was responsible for a "disinformation" campaign in the United States and, for all we know, if there was, which I doubt was very extensive or successful if it existed at all, it is possible that their information was actually true or simply an opinion. What exactly did they do, and has it harmed us?
Putin's troll farms are working their voodoo magic on the US, specifically towards the American right (some leftists too) and actually turning them against NATO and siding with their age old enemy. WTF, how in the hell does that happen, not a single American soldier gets killed and all you gotta do is keep supplying the weapons and somehow these people think this is a bad thing?!?!

They're being manipulated and then you have the con artists on YouTube/Bumble or whatever the heck platform those boneheads go to get their "news" from, that are so clearly in the pocket of Moscow... is this really what people want?

So yes, I think the Russians do a decent job in eroding trust in our institutions along with our information sources. Their goal is make it harder for people to make informed decisions and it's working. You ask what exactly they do? Simple, these Russian actors create and operate fake social media accounts through the use of botting, to deliberately cause confusion and skepticism, amplify narratives, promote fake news, and sow discord with different groups in order to manipulate public opinion on social media platforms and elsewhere. This can all have an influence on our elections. It exacerbates the pre-existing divisions within the US, which further deepens the already significant polarization in our nation.

It's information warfare.
The fact is, the killing of tens of thousands of people in Ukraine, so far, has accomplished nothing because we will never know if peace could have been maintained between these two countries if there had been negotiations.

Biden wanted to be known as the new FDR, needed a war of convenience, and in the process has benefitted greatly by partnering with the extremely corrupt officials in Ukraine. The American taxpayers are funding it, and the Military Industrial Complex is the main recipient of the profits, in America.
The alternative is that the world doesn't bow to the whims of a brutal dictator on an ego trip. Appeasement never works. Will never work. Russia can give all the land they stole back or it can stay at war. If Ukraine would rather die a slow death than capitulate to Russia then that is their right as a proud independent nation.

It's their home. It's their land. They have a right to choose whether or not to die for it. They shouldn't be pressured into giving up their own land and their own people just because it being invaded is inconvenient for the rest of the world.
 
"Martial law in place in Ukraine since February 2022 bars most men between ages 18 and 60 from leaving the country. Under mobilization rules, any man in that range can theoretically be called to fight. Apr 10, 2023".

Despite what many uninformed people think, fighting to the death when greatly outnumbered is not, and never has been, a requirement in civilized societies for their military.

Before more men are slaughtered, Ukraine should agree to negotiate with Russia. Unfortunately, Biden, who is indirectly responsible for this entire situation, does not want this to happen, because his main motivation for funding it is monetary profit.
 
I'm sure this war will come to an end if Trump is elected and he helps his pal Putin to sweep away the Ukrainians by redirecting the munitions and money to Russia; the Ukrainian soldiers will be executed and burried in unmarked mass graves. Once this is accomplished, he will institute his America First policy and get the US out of NATO; his main motivation for this is personal monetary profit.
 
I'm sure this war will come to an end if Trump is elected and he helps his pal Putin to sweep away the Ukrainians by redirecting the munitions and money to Russia; the Ukrainian soldiers will be executed and burried in unmarked mass graves. Once this is accomplished, he will institute his America First policy and get the US out of NATO; his main motivation for this is personal monetary profit.
When people are getting killed, others are blinded, left without arms and legs or getting their heads blown off, do you think this is something that should be used to launch another attack against Trump?

Anybody with any sense of justice and honesty knows that Trump has nothing to do with this situation and that Biden is the person who is in the position of responsibility.
 
When people are getting killed, others are blinded, left without arms and legs or getting their heads blown off, do you think this is something that should be used to launch another attack against Trump?

Anybody with any sense of justice and honesty knows that Trump has nothing to do with this situation and that Biden is the person who is in the position of responsibility.
I said "if" he's elected and then postulated the end result.
 
I said "if" he's elected and then postulated the end result.
If Trump embezzled one trillion dollars from the national treasury to spend on building golf courses in India, he'd still be a far better president than Biden. I feel very comfortable with saying that virtually any Democrat or Republican currently seeking the nomination, would be a better choice than Biden.
 
If Trump embezzled one trillion dollars from the national treasury to spend on building golf courses in India, he'd still be a far better president than Biden. I feel very comfortable with saying that virtually any Democrat or Republican currently seeking the nomination, would be a better choice than Biden.
Of course you do, as most that worship Trump and condone his crimes do, and I expect nothing less.
 
Lindsey Graham thinks the US is getting its money's worth by funding Ukraine.

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Having spent less than 3% of annual U.S. military budget in security assistance, Ukraine managed to cut Russia's combat capacity in half, U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said at a press conference in Kyiv on Aug. 23.

"This is the best investment for American security ever; Ukraine is a fantastic partner — we have not seen such a partner since Churchill," the senator said.

"When the Russian invasion began, we were told that Kyiv would fall in four days, and the country — in three weeks," Graham adds.

"This was the biggest misunderstanding of Ukrainians and overestimation of the Russian army by our intelligence. I myself thought the Russian army was better than it is."
It's a great investment for the US because the US is selling oil and gas to Europe at prices that are a steal, a total rip-off. People barely use the car anymore... everyone tries to avoid it.
Should rename this thread to "United States Proxy War."
I am starting to think that freedom nowadays happens only in what the Western World consider second rate countries, developing countries, societies that are "not so advanced", fake "dictatorships"... I am thinking of China, Morocco, Hungary, Albania, Bulgaria, etc. There are things happening in those countries and the atmosphere is far away from being "oppressive" or unsafe... I would say Western Europe is getting a lot worse than any of those countries. We are being ripped off by the tax authorities, our countries are being invaded by thousands of illegal immigrants and politicians here are either radical communists (Spain, where there is no longer rule of law and the COURTS, the judges, have been striking for A FULL YEAR) or woke politicians.
 
Of course you do, as most that worship Trump and condone his crimes do, and I expect nothing less.
Nobody has to "worship Trump" to be against Biden's horrific handling of this country's involvement in the Ukraine War.
 
Nobody has to "worship Trump" to be against Biden's horrific handling of this country's involvement in the Ukraine War.
I didn't say anything about the Ukraine war. I was commenting on your Trump adulation and your Biden dis.
 
I was on this thread 6 months ago saying Ukraine should be made to negotiate and a settlement done.

I relented, saying ok - as a matter of principle - Putin cannot be allowed to win. Several thousand deaths later there is no end in sight.

Historically - we must look back - Russia tend to prevail in the long run.

However, this is Ukraine's call. While they still have men prepared to fight and die and resources - the war will continue. The USA and Britain - it seems - are prepared to bankroll this war indefinitely. The Germans are less keen.

This whole war could have been avoided if Biden (+ the West) had taken a reality check at the outset but sadly, he does not know how to play chess.
 
I didn't say anything about the Ukraine war. I was commenting on your Trump adulation and your Biden dis.
I have no "Trump adulation", didn't even vote for him in 2016. I do not, however, have TDS.

I don't care which candidate, other than Biden, gets in, of either party, as long as they end our involvement in this nightmare in Ukraine, that Biden has been orchestrating.
 
Biden is compromised because of influence peddling money from many countries, including Ukraine. RFK Jr. was interviewed by Tucker Carlson on X about how Biden's connections to Ukraine could be affecting the war. Besides the Burisma bribery incident, who knows how much money Biden got from Ukraine? Biden lies all the time and is a crook. The European countries are not paying their fair share in this ridiculous war.

I suppose if the NATO countries do not continue to fund Ukraine that China will invade Taiwan. That is what I have heard anyway.
 
Of course you do, as most that worship Trump and condone his crimes do, and I expect nothing less.
You just don't get it. I hate Trump and would enjoy seeing him behind bars, but I'd still have him in the White House again, if Biden is the alternative.
 

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