Wedding Advice

[Bill Bauer]

He and his newly wife will not be miserable bill. I'm convinced you are obsessed with protecting your ears. Ronnie is getting married, loud noise is inevitable. Yes, protection is necessary. But bill you have to stop pressing the issue that people's lives will be ruined if they go out and do shit.

Do you believe that it is NOT a good idea to learn from the mistakes of others?
Check out the collection of links at
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...ed-me-to-a-pub-should-i-go.22796/#post-262184

I have been reading this forum, and it feels like Every Day someone posts a story along the lines of "my T got better, then I went to a (insert a loud place here), I was wearing earplugs, now my T is unbearable."

I read two stories like this just TODAY.
One is
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-renewed-i-am-really-scared.23039/
I don't have the energy to find the other one.

I realize that not Everyone who is exposed to a loud noise will have consequences right away (although it is possible that each pub visit increases the chance of a serious problem following a future pub visit). Given the sheer overwhelming number of these posts, it would seem to me that estimating the probability of a serious damage/spike at 10% is a very conservative guess. It is absolutely insane that there are so many people here who encourage others to play this Russian Roulette. Even if the spike is temporary, it will ruin the honeymoon.

In any case, I ought to stop now. It doesn't look like Ronnie wants to hear what I have to say.

 

[Tinker Bell]

@SeanAs much as I want to go foam (and I just might!), I'm bearing in mind photos and the like. I know it's very dumb and cosmetic but it's still something on my mind.

Just wanted to chime in regarding photography. Talk to your photographer beforehand, I have no doubt that they can either pose you to hide earplugs or edit them out. I do photography as a hobby and even I could manage to edit out a little foam in ears. It should be no problem for a professional photographer.

 

[Amber]

Bill Bauer is the antithesis of tinnitus support, fear mongering asshole.

Ronnie enjoy the wedding!!! Don't worry!

 

[Tinker Bell]

Do you believe that it is NOT a good idea to learn from the mistakes of others?
Check out the collection of links at
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...ed-me-to-a-pub-should-i-go.22796/#post-262184

I have been reading this forum, and it feels like Every Day someone posts a story along the lines of "my T got better, then I went to a (insert a loud place here), I was wearing earplugs, now my T is unbearable."

I read two stories like this just TODAY.
One is
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-renewed-i-am-really-scared.23039/
I don't have the energy to find the other one.

I realize that not Everyone who is exposed to a loud noise will have consequences right away (although it is possible that each pub visit increases the chance of a serious problem following a future pub visit). Given the sheer overwhelming number of these posts, it would seem to me that estimating the probability of a serious damage/spike at 10% is a very conservative guess. It is absolutely insane that there are so many people here who encourage others to play this Russian Roulette. Even if the spike is temporary, it will ruin the honeymoon.

In any case, I ought to stop now. It doesn't look like Ronnie wants to hear what I have to say.

And again, how many people in the world have tinnitus, recently attended a wedding or other event, didn't have any spike, and didn't post on this forum? There are 50 million people in the U.S. alone with tinnitus. They're not all members of TT, and I'm pretty sure not all of them are sitting in their quiet houses all day, every day.

 

[Bill Bauer]

how many people in the world have tinnitus, recently attended a wedding or other event, didn't have any spike, and didn't post on this forum?

How many people in the world have tinnitus, recently attended a wedding or other event, HAD a spike and didn't post on this forum? What is your point?

 

[Jake007]

@Sean @Bill Bauer.

All you guys are doing is making it harder for him with all this past, look at this, look at that stuff. He's getting married, let him enjoy it my god.

 

[Sean]

@Sean @Bill Bauer.

All you guys are doing is making it harder for him with all this past, look at this, look at that stuff. He's getting married, let him enjoy it my god.

@Jake007.. jake just getting carried away with our opinion since I had a crazy spike after concert .
I think enough said ..Let Ronnie make his decision and enjoy his wedding .

 

[Jake007]

I had a crazy spike after concert .

I don't think you're best fit to be giving advice here.

 

[Sean]

How can you say that jake ? I have been fighting with T since 2011 -12 and have suffered many ups and down .
Isn't purpose of this board to exchange ideas and opinions?

 

[Amber]

How can you say that jake ? I have been fighting with T since 2011 -12 and have suffered many ups and down .
Isn't purpose of this board to exchange ideas and opinions?

Issue is guys like you and bill bauer spread irrational fear, cars passing by, plates dropping on the floor, normal weddings, and avg noises as that won't be enough to cause a perm increase in tinnitus

 

[Jake007]

How can you say that jake ? I have been fighting with T since 2011 -12 and have suffered many ups and down .
Isn't purpose of this board to exchange ideas and opinions?

Yes it is, my apologies to you.

 

[Tinker Bell]

How many people in the world have tinnitus, recently attended a wedding or other event, HAD a spike and didn't post on this forum? What is your point?

Very likely far fewer than the number that did not have a spike. If the overall tinnitus population was frequently having spikes and hearing damage, general doctors, audiologists and ENTs would overwhelmingly see more patients with debilitating tinnitus. There would be a trend far beyond this forum, a forum that largely consists of people struggling with tinnitus and anxiety -- no offense to anyone here, but I know I'm not the only one on TT struggling with anxiety. We would be cautioned to continually protect our ears from moderate noises . . . but we're not.

In fact, we are strongly cautioned against over protection due to the risk of increased sensitivity.

So my point? Don't only look at the bad stories on TT, there are good stories here too. And even more good stories away from this forum.

@RonnieCarzatto I wish you and your bride-to-be all the best for a wonderful wedding and married life!

 

[Bill Bauer]

Issue is guys like you and bill bauer spread irrational fear, cars passing by, plates dropping on the floor, normal weddings, and avg noises as that won't be enough to cause a perm increase in tinnitus

What do you make of the horror stories that I posted earlier?

 

[Sean]

Yes it is, my apologies to you.

No problem jake .

 

[Bill Bauer]

Very likely far fewer than the number that did not have a spike.

I wrote in my post that a conservative estimate for the probability of regretting attending a loud event is 10%. Does that seem too high or too low to you?

We would be cautioned to continually protect our ears from moderate noises . . . but we're not.

My ENT Had advised me to protect my ears from loud noises.

we are strongly cautioned against over protection due to the risk of increased sensitivity.

The above has nothing to do with this thread. Here we are talking about a loud event.

 

[RonnieCarzatto]

No need to argue y'all, I'm very happy with a lot of the suggestions and perspective here, and taking them all to account (and thanks @Sean for saving me from throwing $ away). It's why I asked in the 1st place

And don't worry, I still intend on having a fun and memorable evening.


@Tinker Bell I thank you very much for the well wishes, they are mucho appreciated.

 

[Sean]

No need to argue y'all, I'm very happy with a lot of the suggestions and perspective here, and taking them all to account (and thanks @Sean for saving me from throwing $ away). It's why I asked in the 1st place

And don't worry, I still intend on having a fun and memorable evening.


@Tinker Bell I thank you very much for the well wishes, they are mucho appreciated.

You are welcome Ronnie .
Have blast !

 

[TuneOut]

Issue is guys like you and bill bauer spread irrational fear, cars passing by, plates dropping on the floor, normal weddings, and avg noises as that won't be enough to cause a perm increase in tinnitus

Weddings can be pretty loud, Amber.

 

[TuneOut]

. We would be cautioned to continually protect our ears from moderate noises . . . but we're not.

No way any doctor would ever recommend something like that no matter how many patients experienced it.

In fact, we are strongly cautioned against over protection due to the risk of increased sensitivity.

Due to widespread hyperacusis among librarians?

 

[maltese]

Due to widespread hyperacusis among librarians?

Due to widespread phonophobia among "overprotectors" (myself included).

Also, that was funny (in a very positive way)

Also, some degree of overprotection is probably ok, even recommended.

EDIT: I wasn't clear. I don't believe overprotection causes H. But it sure doesn't help with habituation to tinnitus/fighting with phonophobia.

I'm struggling with H and some degree of phonophobia myself.

 

[Tinker Bell]

Due to widespread hyperacusis among librarians?

That is funny! Is there a widespread problem with librarians wearing earplugs?

In all honesty libraries are not that quiet. Doors open and close, HVAC systems run, books fall on shelves or get dropped on tables, check-out machines beep, computers run, conveyors sort books, bathroom fans whirl, children's sections often have play areas as well as noisy kids, and librarians exist outside their employment. My local libraries are far louder than my house. Overprotection would be wearing earplugs at the library.

I don't believe overprotection causes H. But it sure doesn't help with habituation to tinnitus/fighting with phonophobia.

Right, I think there are differences between sensitivity, hyperacusis and phonophobia. The lines between those conditions can blur and it's of course possible to have a mix of those problems.

That's an interesting discussion but probably not well-suited for Ronnie's thread. His wedding reception will no doubt be louder than a library, but it sounds like he's smart about hearing protection and is taking some good steps to make it an event he can relax and enjoy! Your own wedding can be one of the happiest days of your life, until the birth of your children . . . but don't even think about how loud newborns are!

 

[TuneOut]

In all honesty libraries are not that quiet. Doors open and close, HVAC systems run, books fall on shelves or get dropped on tables, check-out machines beep, computers run, conveyors sort books, bathroom fans whirl, children's sections often have play areas as well as noisy kids, and librarians exist outside their employment. My local libraries are far louder than my house.

Thank for the heads up. I won't be going near any libraries!

 

[Tinker Bell]

Thank for the heads up. I won't be going near any libraries!

Ha! I was at one today and kept laughing because it really wasn't that quiet. Some guy kept loudly tapping his pen on the table, and then two kids were playing around and tripped each other. Made a huge commotion when they crashed to the floor.

But the worst was when some lady dropped a book at the checkout computers . . . oops, that was me!

 

[DT_N_DA_CLUB]

Ronnie are you getting married this weekend? If you have any questions regarding the DJ I can answer those. Congratulations btw.

 

[vermillion]

He is not letting T get in the way of the wedding day being an overwhelming success at the cost of increasing the chance that his life (and his bride's life) will be miserable for years (possibly decades) to come.

What about his life after the wedding?

Bill, what would you do if you were in his place?

 

[Bill Bauer]

Bill, what would you do if you were in his place?

I would not get married. If I were to have a gun to my head and absolutely had to get married, I would not have an elaborate wedding ceremony - I would have a simple get-together for my bride, me and our parents. If that wasn't an option

Do yourself and your bride a favour (your bride will suffer too if your T becomes debilitating) and ensure that the wedding will be reasonably quiet. You can talk to the band/whoever is in charge of music, and get the music to be at a bearable level. You can also actually call each guest, explain your situation, and get them to understand that it is important for the wedding to not be a loud event.

 

[vermillion]

I would not get married. If I were to have a gun to my head and absolutely had to get married, I would not have an elaborate wedding ceremony - I would have a simple get-together for my bride, me and our parents. If that wasn't an option

I don't know man. I'm so messed up with this condition. I'm not in the place to give advice. There are risks. On the other hard all of my acquaintances with T, thye go to clubs etc. with no worsening. @RonnieCarzatto Good luck! I hope everything is gonna be fine. Take care of your ears.

 

[Bill Bauer]

On the other hard all of my acquaintances with T, thye go to clubs etc. with no worsening.

But this is why they all still have T. Perhaps some of them would be able to get over T and hear silence again, had they made changes to their lifestyle.

 

[vermillion]

But this is why they all still have T. Perhaps some of them would be able to get over T and hear silence again, had they made changes to their lifestyle.

I really believe all of those fellas have just mild tinnitus. But if you suggest that after onset the possible cure is avoiding even moderate sounds... it's pretty much impossible for the majority (work, obligations etc).

 

[Bill Bauer]

moderate sounds.

By "moderate", I mean pretty loud sounds like that of a vacuum cleaner, blender, or lawn mower. Surely it is possible to avoid sounds like that for a while...