MemberThat has nothing to do with what I said.
Also, having less stress can strengthen your immune system and help you fight cancer. Therefore according to your logic CBT is treatment for cancer.
Why Is There Such a Stigma About Cognitive Behavioural Therapy?
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Also, having less stress can strengthen your immune system and help you fight cancer. Therefore according to your logic CBT is treatment for cancer.
The Omega 3 fatty acids in fish balance out the excess Omega 6s that tend to be inflammatory. Vegetarian and Vegan diets tend to be high in 6 and extremely low in 3.
I've never spent more than $20 on CBT. I think it was the cost of a book (by David Burns). I may have been able to find the same stuff online, but it was recommended by someone so I gave it a shot.
I'm based in NY. Everything is expensive here and doctors that are worth anything tend to not accept insurance.
If having less stress helps you fight cancer, as you say, then doing CBT to reduce your stress is prob a good idea. Not because it is a treatment for cancer but because it reduces stress and helps with cancer outlook, as you say.
Or it could be that stress affects many illnesses both physical and mental. If we reduce stress, it can help those illnesses. CBT is used to help the stress aspect caused by illness.
Idk why this seems to be so hard to understand. CBT isn't treating tinnitus, it is treating the symptom of stress that comes from tinnitus. It is also a cyclical issues because tinnitus causes stress and makes tinnitus worse. By addressing the stress you stop the tinnitus getting worse from stress.
CBT is also used to help people cope with the depression and anxiety caused by tinnitus. It doesn't reduce the sound but can help you learn to deal and live with it better.
Why are you so against people using CBT to deal with the symptoms that come from tinnitus? Many people here have expressed it helping them cope with it. Everyone knows it doesn't make baseline tinnitus better. No one is even arguing that.
I don't even understand why people are preaching against CBT.
A - "I have such bad depression and anxiety because of tinnitus."
B - "You should address the symptom of depression and anxiety by going to CBT or taking medication. There is not cure for tinnitus but we have treatments for those issues. You can try to learn to cope with it and deal with the symptoms that come from tinnitus"
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Exactly, so if CBT reduces stress and helps reduce stress caused tinnitus, why are you so against it?
I'm not against it in general. I am totally against the way it is represented. I think it is unethical to call it a treatment for tinnitus.
sirhand
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CBT is just thinking logically about your own emotions. I never understood why people need help doing that.
We have already clarified that isn't the case whatsoever. This is a straw man argument and a really bad one.
So what are you arguing? That CBT isn't a treatment for tinnitus?
Obviously CBT can't reduce baseline tinnitus.
Thank you for your kind words. It humbles me to receive such compliments from you who has done a lot more for the forum. We are fortunate to have you proactively promoting tinnitus awareness across social media besides supporting and caring for suffering members here in the forum.
It probably would if not for the tinnitus.
Note, we are talking about the most severe cases of tinnitus - overly intrusive. If you have mild tinnitus, okay, go ahead with CBT. It may help. Maybe it will help with moderate. But, it probably won't with most people who have really severe - meaning loud, possibly multi-toned, high pitched t which makes people want to off themselves.
Thus, CBT's effectiveness is directly related to severity and not just a way of treating "reaction."
- May 24, 2017
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- long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
Why do you talk of CBT, as if it helps each and everyone, though? That bothers me........CBT can work MAYBE. It's worth a shot, but it is not guaranteed to have an effect. For some it has no effect on their stress/anxiety.
One thing that is a problem with this is that it's limitations are not very well represented. This overestimatino on its effectiveness is a barrier for being recognized as a legitimate reason to get disabilities or hold organizations liable for causing it.
The BTA cites a study saying it is effective, and when you click on the link it's dead.
The BTA cites a study saying it is effective, and when you click on the link it's dead.
Where did I say it has 100% effectiveness?
I said multiple times I can help people. Not it can 100% without a doubt cure people of the anxiety and stress.
Oh here's that paper the BTA cited:
Not peer reviewed.
From that paper:
"After pooling these studies we found no significant difference in reduction of subjective tinnitus loudness between treatment (cognitive behavioural therapy) and other intervention control group"
You don't even know what you're talking about bruh.
Not peer reviewed.
WRONG.
From that paper:
"After pooling these studies we found no significant difference in reduction of subjective tinnitus loudness between treatment (cognitive behavioural therapy) and other intervention control group"
You don't even know what you're talking about bruh.
Your right, it doesn't treat tinnitus in so that it reduces the baseline volume.
BUT, it does treat the anxiety and depression that comes from it that also directly effects the sound level of tinnitus.
Idk what either of you are saying at this point.
Gunna have to say your wrong. I have severe tinnitus and it helped me with the anxiety and depression from it, so saying that it doesn't help people with severe tinnitus is wrong. Against I never said that it reduces baseline tinnitus because it doesn't. But it does help with depression and anxiety increasing tinnitus.
I also have a real life friends and friends on here who also have moderate to severe tinnitus and it has also helped them. It doesn't work for everyone, but it can help some people so why not give it a good try?
Dissuading people from even trying when it can help is disgusting behavior.
- May 24, 2017
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- long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
You're writing:
"By using CBT it reduces stress and reduces the increased tinnitus caused by stress. It also allows the brain to habituate better.
this makes tinnitus less bothersome and less intrusive over time because your brain can, to a certain extend, tune it out. This isn't a cure, but it gives people the ability to live their life on a better level than previously.
You're stating it like a fact. Like it WILL happen. The fact is that for some CBT has zero effect. It is a very good idea to try it and hopefully it helps, but like I said, there are no guarantee.
fishbone
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This thread is just going in circles, as I knew it would . The whole point of this thread is NOT that CBT will cure tinnitus and it will NOT always work for everyone. It's just a tool that MAY help people out. That's it, nothing more , nothing less.
If something can POSSIBLY help my situation, I MAY try it. It's up to the person to try it. I at least know or may have an idea about something that MAY make my situation a little better.
Life will always throw us lemons, it's up to us to figure out how we can make a better lemonade
If something can POSSIBLY help my situation, I MAY try it. It's up to the person to try it. I at least know or may have an idea about something that MAY make my situation a little better.
Life will always throw us lemons, it's up to us to figure out how we can make a better lemonade
You did more for me then you know. At a time when I was utterly broken you gave me some calming words that not only helped me evaluate how to go about my life, but made me realise how I wasn't alone in my desperate battle. Thank you.
Damn true and sometimes life will tie you up behind a horse and drag you through town butt naked and then rub the lemons on your scraped up genitals while the little children in the town square laugh and pelt you with more lemons and then tie you up between two horses and rip you asunder.Life will always throw us lemons, it's up to us to figure out how we can make a better lemonade
