Will You Get Vaccinated for Coronavirus (COVID-19)? Can It Make Tinnitus or Hyperacusis Worse?

[Robster]

I don't think anyone is being vilified. The question is whether there is misinformation spreading on the impact of the shots on tinnitus. I do agree with you though - it appears that this is not a risk free proposition either way and people will have to decide for themselves. I am assuming I'll be getting a yearly shot for the rest of my life; like a flu shot. Hopefully we will have a better handle on what is causing tinnitus from the shots soon.

I don't think it is misinformation when a tinnitus sufferer says the vaccine has worsened their tinnitus. I am very much pro vaccine, but there is zero doubt that my tinnitus worsened starting the day after the vaccine.

The misinformation is being spread by a handful of anti-vaxers on this thread who haven't had the vaccine. Tinnitus sufferers stating that their tinnitus has worsened since the vaccine certainly aren't spreading misinformation.

At the end of the day no-one knows their tinnitus better than the sufferer themselves. If a tinnitus sufferer says the vaccine made their tinnitus worse they should be believed rather than questioned. There is nothing worse than others questioning how you perceive your own tinnitus.

 

[Clerkp]

I don't think it is misinformation when a tinnitus sufferer says the vaccine has worsened their tinnitus. I am very much pro vaccine, but there is zero doubt that my tinnitus worsened starting the day after the vaccine.

The misinformation is being spread by a handful of anti-vaxers on this thread who haven't had the vaccine. Tinnitus sufferers stating that their tinnitus has worsened since the vaccine certainly aren't spreading misinformation.

At the end of the day no-one knows their tinnitus better than the sufferer themselves. If a tinnitus sufferer says the vaccine made their tinnitus worse they should be believed rather than questioned. There is nothing worse than others questioning how you perceive your own tinnitus.

The misinformation is saying things like "most" people had their tinnitus get worse. Or "most" people who had a spike didn't get better. Those generalizations are not backed up by evidence. My only point is we need to be careful saying things like that here. Whether or not to get vaccinated is a serious matter and affects not only you but others. I'm all for sharing information. The more the better. But it needs to be accurate and free from bias.

 

[Chris S.]

People who got the vaccine generally don't hang out with unvaccinated people and if they do, the unvaccinated people don't harass the vaccinated.

The media, government and health officials vilify the unvaccinated, though. I see it every day.

And I see the opposite all too often - from mean and insidious looks to half-muttered remarks or even attempts for open confrontation - in the grocery stores, on the streets, in the parking lots, indoors. Happens even on university campuses.

The right-wing media in the US vilifies and pillories the vaccinated (and this is watched by about 45%-48% of the adult population) on a daily, if not on an hourly, basis.

Perhaps you and I leave in two different worlds. In my world, the vaccinated and the unvaccinated hang out all too often - they share the same work space, the same places of worship, the same bars, the same stores, the same parks, the same holiday events. The only thing they don't seem to share is the same (social) media.

 

[Clerkp]

I would be interested in trying to determine whether these vaccine impacts are affecting certain types of tinnitus only. Mine is noise induced. I wonder if the type of tinnitus matters? Has anyone tried to connect the dots to see if certain types of tinnitus are predisposed to this problem. Common sense tells me that new or increased tinnitus is still a relatively rare occurrence. Estimates are that 10 to 15 percent of the population suffers from tinnitus. We are a very small group here. The issue did catch some press earlier in the year but it's been quiet lately. None of this matters for those affected by this but it would be nice to get some sense of scale.

 

[Clerkp]

And I see the opposite all too often - from mean and insidious looks to half-muttered remarks or even attempts for open confrontation - in the grocery stores, on the streets, in the parking lots, indoors. Happens even on university campuses.

The right-wing media in the US vilifies and pillories the vaccinated (and this is watched by about 45%-48% of the adult population) on a daily, if not on an hourly, basis.

Perhaps you and I leave in two different worlds. In my world, the vaccinated and the unvaccinated hang out all too often - they share the same work space, the same places of worship, the same bars, the same stores, the same parks, the same holiday events. The only thing they don't seem to share is the same (social) media.

Barring a medical issue and perhaps a religious belief, being unvaccinated is irresponsible and immoral. It's tantamount to a license to infect others. I've had my family locked down for 20 months because we can't leave our house comfortably. I have children with asthma. I'm frankly sick of it. 40 percent unvaccinated and 80 percent don't wear masks. It's not ok to not consider the welfare of others in carrying out your life. To be clear, if there is a medical reason, then it's a different discussion. Flame away.

 

[Michael Leigh]

It's not ok to not consider the welfare of others in carrying out your life. To be clear, if there is a medical reason, then it's a different discussion. Flame away.

I understand where you are coming from but unfortunately you can't change the mindset of some people, if they don't believe the science. I have had two vaccinations and a booster a week ago and thankfully with no ill effects. The Omicron COVID-19 variant, is about to run rampant here in the UK and still, there are people that refuse the vaccine and don't want to wear masks or follow government advice on social distancing.

 

[Brian P]

Barring a medical issue and perhaps a religious belief, being unvaccinated is irresponsible and immoral. It's tantamount to a license to infect others. I've had my family locked down for 20 months because we can't leave our house comfortably. I have children with asthma. I'm frankly sick of it. 40 percent unvaccinated and 80 percent don't wear masks. It's not ok to not consider the welfare of others in carrying out your life. To be clear, if there is a medical reason, then it's a different discussion. Flame away.

Not wanting to get injected with a poison that was made in record time under emergency use with new technology doesn't sound irresponsible, it sounds smart. Not to mention the companies are protected from litigation.

 

[Clerkp]

Not wanting to get injected with a poison that was made in record time under emergency use with new technology doesn't sound irresponsible, it sounds smart. Not to mention the companies are protected from litigation.

Great. So let's let everyone get COVID-19 and spread it to the sick, immune compromised, elderly and children. So we can have another 5 million deaths. Vaccines may not be perfect but letting COVID-19 spread like wildfire is objectively 1000 times worse.

 

[Brian P]

Great. So let's let everyone get COVID-19 and spread it to the sick, immune compromised, elderly and children. So we can have another 5 million deaths. Vaccines may not be perfect but letting COVID-19 spread like wildfire is objectively 1000 times worse.

Yes. You have a greater than 99% chance of recovery! Why would you risk it?

 

[Clerkp]

Yes. You have a greater than 99% chance of recovery! Why would you risk it?

And a 30 to 50 percent chance of permanent long term health consequences. Not only for me but for my wife and kids. Sorry man, your math is wrong. It's not just whether I live or die. COVID-19 does terrible things to our bodies. Even asymptomatic cases. It messes with just about every organ system. This is part of the anti-vax false narrative.

50 percent of people who survive covid-19 face lingering symptoms, study finds

About 20 percent have decreased mobility, 25 percent have trouble thinking or concentrating (called "brain fog"), 30 percent develop an anxiety disorder, 25 percent have breathing problems, and 20 percent have hair loss or skin rashes. Cardiovascular issues — chest pain and palpitations — are common, as are stomach and gastrointestinal problems."

The equation is not do I live or die. By not getting vaccinated, people are spreading disease among the elderly, the infirm, the compromised and those with health problems. It's not about me or you, it's about protecting everyone from this terrible disease.

 

[Brian P]

And a 30 to 50 percent chance of permanent long term health consequences. Not only for me but for my wife and kids. Sorry man, your math is wrong. It's not just whether I live or die. COVID-19 does terrible things to our bodies. Even asymptomatic cases. It messes with just about every organ system. This is part of the anti-vax false narrative.

50 percent of people who survive covid-19 face lingering symptoms, study finds

The equation is not do I live or die. By not getting vaccinated, people are spreading disease among the elderly, the infirm, the compromised and those with health problems. It's not about me or you, it's about protecting everyone from this terrible disease.

You're quoting Washington Post? The propaganda arm for the Democrat party. Long haul COVID-19 is real but not 50%. Out of the 20 or so people I know who got COVID-19, not one of them has lingering symptoms. Yes it's anecdotal but it's better than fake news. Washington Post wants everyone in fear and getting the vaccine to make money for the drug companies.

 

[ajc]

You're quoting Washington Post? The propaganda arm for the Democrat party. Long haul COVID-19 is real but not 50%. Out of the 20 or so people I know who got COVID-19, not one of them has lingering symptoms. Yes it's anecdotal but it's better than fake news. Washington Post wants everyone in fear and getting the vaccine to make money for the drug companies.

You're a tool.

How about Nature, the world's most respected medical journal, then? I suppose you think it's rigged, too?

Long COVID in a prospective cohort of home-isolated patients

We found that 52% (32/61) of home-isolated young adults, aged 16–30 years, had symptoms at 6 months, including loss of taste and/or smell (28%, 17/61), fatigue (21%, 13/61), dyspnea (13%, 8/61), impaired concentration (13%, 8/61) and memory problems (11%, 7/61). Our findings that young, home-isolated adults with mild COVID-19 are at risk of long-lasting dyspnea and cognitive symptoms highlight the importance of infection control measures, such as vaccination.

And there are many other respectable journal articles confirming @Clerkp's arguments.

But those are all rigged too. It's no use to debate with someone like you.

 

[Michael Leigh]

The equation is not do I live or die. By not getting vaccinated, people are spreading disease among the elderly, the infirm, the compromised and those with health problems. It's not about me or you, it's about protecting everyone from this terrible disease.

You are correct. I spoke with three people yesterday that have had COVID-19 and recovered but said their body isn't like it once was. One woman got it a year ago and her taste and smell hasn't returned to what it used to be. One day she feels fine the next so tired and exhausted she's unable to leave her home. Constantly suffers from brain fog. Another woman experiences similar tiredness and brain fog. She will go to the fridge to get something, open the door and just stand there, completely forgetting what she wanted. The third got if off his children who got it from school. He has regular bouts of tiredness and said he used to be as fit as a fiddle!

 

[Clerkp]

My 8-year-old son has barely left the house since March 2020. He has been home schooled and has never seen a full day in a classroom. He has a history of respiratory issues and asthma. Yesterday was the 2 week anniversary of his second Pfizer shot. We asked him what he wanted to do for being so brave. He answered that he wanted to go to "Target" in person.

So we put on our masks and went at 8 pm. What occurred was horrifying. Masks were 10% at most. We are in Pa. where hospitals are full, patients are being turned away, and case counts are nearly where they were last winter. I almost had a panic attack. People everywhere unmasked, coughing, sneezing. Zero respect for their fellow humans. I was horrified, dismayed, disappointed and ultimately not surprised. And yes, 40% of them aren't vaxxed. So unvaxxed and unmasked, spreading disease to all of us. Acting like it was 2019.

This behavior is why this will never end. And because it will never end, all of us with tinnitus are going to have to keeping booster shots. So yes, I'm laying the blame at the unvaxxed. Selfish. That's all I can say.

 

[Robster]

The misinformation is saying things like "most" people had their tinnitus get worse. Or "most" people who had a spike didn't get better. Those generalizations are not backed up by evidence. My only point is we need to be careful saying things like that here. Whether or not to get vaccinated is a serious matter and affects not only you but others. I'm all for sharing information. The more the better. But it needs to be accurate and free from bias.

I have never said "most people had their tinnitus get worse" so I'm not sure where you are getting that from. I am well aware it is a minority, but when you are in that minority it is wrong to be questioned about it.

 

[Clerkp]

I have never said "most people had their tinnitus get worse" so I'm not sure where you are getting that from. I am well aware it is a minority, but when you are in that minority it is wrong to be questioned about it.

Wasn't referring to you. Just a lot of biased generalizations on this forum.

 

[Ed209]

Yes. You have a greater than 99% chance of recovery! Why would you risk it?

What a bizarre thing to say.

So, if I put out a bowl of 100 jelly beans where one had a lethal dose of poison in it, you'd be happy to tuck in and eat a few?

You're quoting Washington Post? The propaganda arm for the Democrat party. Long haul COVID-19 is real but not 50%. Out of the 20 or so people I know who got COVID-19, not one of them has lingering symptoms. Yes it's anecdotal but it's better than fake news. Washington Post wants everyone in fear and getting the vaccine to make money for the drug companies.

There is no point debating this subject because nobody is going to change their minds. I just hope that you don't end up with long COVID-19 because it's fucking awful.

 

[Brian P]

What a bizarre thing to say.

So, if I put out a bowl of 100 jelly beans where one had a lethal dose of poison in it, you'd be happy to tuck in and eat a few?

There is no point debating this subject because nobody is going to change their minds. I just hope that you don't end up with long COVID-19 because it's fucking awful.

I ended up with long COVID-19 from the vaccine already. In addition to the raging tinnitus I got panic attacks and chronic dizziness and imbalance. Also visual snow, which really isn't that bad.

Also the vaccine doesn't so much prevent the illness as it does supposedly keeping you out of the ICU.

And yes I would take you Jelly bean challenge. At this point I would keep eating them until I find the lethal one.

 

[Chris S.]

I ended up with long COVID-19 from the vaccine already. In addition to the raging tinnitus I got panic attacks and chronic dizziness and imbalance. Also visual snow, which really isn't that bad.

We should probably stop arguing about this.

COVID-19 can do damage and that damage could potentially be 1) long term, and 2) more harmful than the vaccine.

Brian, I sympathize with your case, because I am in the same boat - I got the short end of the stick with the Pfizer jab (made my mild tinnitus bad/severe), but I also see emergency vaccination in time of a global pandemic as a necessary step. I am considering getting the booster (have not made up my mind yet) and if I do, I will post my experience here. We will likely be required to get annual boosters as COVID-19 will keep mutating. I can forgo one or two but eventually my luck will run out and then - the consequences of having the virus might make the vaccine side effects seem the lesser evil.

 

[PeteJ]

Since when was this the case? I thought it was highly likely that it would follow a model similar to the flu vaccine. Didn't almost everyone think this? We know that our immunity is limited, so I'm not sure what else people were realistically expecting.
That wasn't hard to predict was it I despair at the debates on here lately.

Everyone should just do what they believe is best for them and their family. The end.

No, lots of people here thought they would only need two shots. They thought this would end. I also know of people in real life who were firm on only taking two shots.

It's only because of mainstream media and public health narrative changing the spin, that it's now a "yearly basis" and of course, many people take it as gospel.

"Everyone should do what is best" but that's not the end, is it? We don't have that choice.

 

[Robster]

My 8-year-old son has barely left the house since March 2020. He has been home schooled and has never seen a full day in a classroom. He has a history of respiratory issues and asthma. Yesterday was the 2 week anniversary of his second Pfizer shot. We asked him what he wanted to do for being so brave. He answered that he wanted to go to "Target" in person.

So we put on our masks and went at 8 pm. What occurred was horrifying. Masks were 10% at most. We are in Pa. where hospitals are full, patients are being turned away, and case counts are nearly where they were last winter. I almost had a panic attack. People everywhere unmasked, coughing, sneezing. Zero respect for their fellow humans. I was horrified, dismayed, disappointed and ultimately not surprised. And yes, 40% of them aren't vaxxed. So unvaxxed and unmasked, spreading disease to all of us. Acting like it was 2019.

This behavior is why this will never end. And because it will never end, all of us with tinnitus are going to have to keeping booster shots. So yes, I'm laying the blame at the unvaxxed. Selfish. That's all I can say.

Unfortunately some people see mask wearing as losing their freedom which is ridiculous. I certainly want to get a second vaccine dose, but won't risk getting Pfizer again. Hopefully Novavax finally gets approved for use in the UK.

 

[Chris S.]

Noise-induced tinnitus -> the vaccines have no effect on the tinnitus.

Others -> esp. ETD-induced tinnitus -> the vaccines aggravate the tinnitus.

Any thoughts?

I wish that were true but the vaccine made my mild tinnitus severe (Pfizer, jab 1). It stayed that way for the past 8 months. Jab 2 gave me a terrible spike that was short-lived (25-30 hours) and then my tinnitus returned to the already bad/severe levels after Jab 1.

 

[Brian P]

I wish that were true but the vaccine made my mild tinnitus severe (Pfizer, jab 1). It stayed that way for the past 8 months. Jab 2 gave me a terrible spike that was short-lived (25-30 hours) and then my tinnitus returned to the already bad/severe levels after Jab 1.

I'll take my chances with the virus from now on if I'm still around. My job mandated the vaccine. Like everyone knows already, my first Pfizer vaccine made it a bit higher, and the second shot made it severe. It is so severe I cannot work right now. I have 8 tones. This vaccine may lead to me ending my life and there are a lot more in the same boat. I am telling everyone I can find not to get the vaccine. The media is scaring everyone from a virus that only really hurts people who are from 70-death.

Unfortunately some people see mask wearing as losing their freedom which is ridiculous. I certainly want to get a second vaccine dose, but won't risk getting Pfizer again. Hopefully Novavax finally gets approved for use in the UK.

Yes, masks are good! I just wish everyone wore KN95. Hand sanitizer is good too. Plus masks won't hurt you or make your tinnitus worse!

I understand where you are coming from but unfortunately you can't change the mindset of some people, if they don't believe the science. I have had two vaccinations and a booster a week ago and thankfully with no ill effects. The Omicron COVID-19 variant, is about to run rampant here in the UK and still, there are people that refuse the vaccine and don't want to wear masks or follow government advice on social distancing.

Do you blame them for refusing it? It's basically an untested Frankenstein vaccine. Before you judge anyone, think for a second what you are saying.

 

[Robster]

I'll take my chances with the virus from now on if I'm still around. My job mandated the vaccine. Like everyone knows already, my first Pfizer vaccine made it a bit higher, and the second shot made it severe. It is so severe I cannot work right now. I have 8 tones. This vaccine may lead to me ending my life and there are a lot more in the same boat. I am telling everyone I can find not to get the vaccine. The media is scaring everyone from a virus that only really hurts people who are from 70-death.

Yes, masks are good! I just wish everyone wore KN95. Hand sanitizer is good too. Plus masks won't hurt you or make your tinnitus worse!

Do you blame them for refusing it? It's basically an untested Frankenstein vaccine. Before you judge anyone, think for a second what you are saying.

Judge anyone? Where have I judged anyone Brian? I'm in the same boat as you - the Pfizer vaccine made my tinnitus worse.

Unlike you though, I don't feel the need to angrily lash out at everyone.

 

[Brian P]

Judge anyone? Where have I judged anyone Brian? I'm in the same boat as you - the Pfizer vaccine made my tinnitus worse.

Unlike you though, I don't feel the need to angrily lash out at everyone.

I agreed with you that masks are good! I know the same happened to you. That comment was directed at Michael.

 

[Lane]

the consequences of having the virus might make the vaccine side effects seem the lesser evil.

@Chris S. -- I would encourage you to keep in mind that there are many things a person can do to minimize total viral load in case of a COVID-19 infection. If you do enough of them (before and after an infection), the probability of getting severe COVID-19--or a case that results in an exacerbation of tinnitus-- seems pretty close to zero to me.

Many Naturopathic Doctors are already very successfull using various kinds of low-cost, low-risk protocols. You don't hear much about them because of the degree of censorship currently going on by the "gate-keepers" of information dissemination. All they want you to hear about is vaccines, booster shots, vaccines, booster shots... ad nauseam.

Also, another good thing keep in mind (NYT article below); it would seem there's really no good reason to get a vaccination if you don't have other chronic health conditions.

Nearly All Patients Hospitalized With Covid-19 Had Chronic Health Issues, Study Finds -- Only 6 percent of patients at one New York area health system had no chronic conditions. Hypertension, obesity and diabetes were common.

 

[Michael Leigh]

Do you blame them for refusing it? It's basically an untested Frankenstein vaccine. Before you judge anyone, think for a second what you are saying.

I am not judging anyone, only telling the facts. I was never an anti-vaxxer but apprehensive about the quick roll-out of the vaccines for COVID-19. Please read my posts from last year on this thread. Having decided to have the vaccines I am pleased.

My older brother believed COVID-19 was a hoax. He has high blood pressure like myself that is managed by medication and has asthma (fortunately I don't) also controlled by meds. He got COVID-19, ended up in hospital but wasn't on a ventilator. He recovered but now has heart failure. It is in the early stages and is taking medication to control it but it can never be cured, because the heart has been damaged. Prior to this my brother never had any other health problems.

Some of the UK newspapers regularly show people that were anti-vaxxers that caught COVID-19 and sadly died. People from in their early 20s upwards.

 

[tpj]

We should probably stop arguing about this.

COVID-19 can do damage and that damage could potentially be 1) long term, and 2) more harmful than the vaccine.

Brian, I sympathize with your case, because I am in the same boat - I got the short end of the stick with the Pfizer jab (made my mild tinnitus bad/severe), but I also see emergency vaccination in time of a global pandemic as a necessary step. I am considering getting the booster (have not made up my mind yet) and if I do, I will post my experience here. We will likely be required to get annual boosters as COVID-19 will keep mutating. I can forgo one or two but eventually my luck will run out and then - the consequences of having the virus might make the vaccine side effects seem the lesser evil.

If you do have another shot, will you get a different vaccine?

 

[mbsq]

So we put on our masks and went at 8 pm. What occurred was horrifying. Masks were 10% at most. We are in Pa. where hospitals are full, patients are being turned away, and case counts are nearly where they were last winter. I almost had a panic attack. People everywhere unmasked, coughing, sneezing. Zero respect for their fellow humans. I was horrified, dismayed, disappointed and ultimately not surprised. And yes, 40% of them aren't vaxxed. So unvaxxed and unmasked, spreading disease to all of us. Acting like it was 2019.

With all due respect, take a step back and reflect on your feelings. You are in a constant state of fear and/or panic. This is not good for you or your family. You need to drift a little closer back to normality.

 

[Juan]

I got severe tinnitus spike following the first jab which I am still dealing with. As someone stated above, the number of people who will report tinnitus onset following vaccination will be minimal. They are in panic mode and in despair for the most part. Yet numbers are increasing. Mass coercive medication rarely leads to good outcomes. I suspect a tsunami of reports in the next year or so. But nothing will be done. The drug companies have no liability.

The drug companies having no liability was the first thing granted by governments to pharma companies to administer their experimental vaccines on human beings. This is just a massive experiment...

In Spain the government does not report how many people who did get vaccinated are dying from COVID-19.

It would be very interesting to see a break up of the daily deaths and know precisely the circumstances in which people die from COVID-19, for instance:

- Age group
- Whether those people are vaccinated or not
- Whether there are other health issues that contributed

Why something as simple as this is not being reported? Why this lack of information?