2020 US Presidential Election

Ah, sex and the presidency is nothing new. One President made several confirmed trips to pedo Island.

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I already assumed the ruling class is filled with pedophiles/rapists including both Bill "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" Clinton and Donald "grab em by the pussy" Trump. They both thought Epstein was a "terrific guy" who was "a lot of fun to be with" and like women on the "younger side" (just quoting Trump here). I don't really have faith in either parties, except I wouldn't really worship either Biden or Trump as a god like how loads do for the latter.
 
Everybody is a libertarian.

When we share water, electricity, rubbish disposal, police, hospitals, schools... we all make compromises.
Have you seen libertarian debates? They are hilarious. You thought no one would top Trump's 4 years of pure accidental comedy, then well wait until the libertarians come into power.

 
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Trump is busy trying to do it now. Many others are very upset about pulling out, people on both sides of the aisle. I fear once the new President is sworn in that it will be all over and we won't leave.
If Trump were actually trying, it'd have happened by now. He's commander-in-chief, he can literally make a full withdrawal anytime he wants. If he is trying, he's so bad at it that it barely counts. If the generals don't listen to him, he should punish them.

When I said Rand Paul would get us out, I don't mean he'd pussy around the issue like Trump (and low key Obama) have. I mean he'd take the heat and actually get it done, probably in his first year at worst. And that's something I respect about him for even if I disagree with on most other issues.
 
Leaning probably. Extreme libertarianism is pretty hard to take seriously:
If you think about it, if the Libertarian Party doesn't stick to extreme libertarianism, wouldn't their ideology completely change over time like it has done (it also happens to any political parties ideology)? For example, at the beginning libertarianism was known as a far left ideology with communist tendencies, and no I'm not joking.

"Libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics such as anti-authoritarian and anti-state socialists like anarchists,[6] especially social anarchists,[7] but more generally libertarian communists/Marxists and libertarian socialists.[8][9] These libertarians seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production, or else to restrict their purview or effects to usufruct property norms, in favor of common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

This is why I don't believe they will hold up their principles in the long term especially that non-interventionism policy the party currently has going. That's if they will ever get in power, and if they do then you'll get to find out how much of their principles will hold up. I know he's not a libertarian, but before Trump became President, he was pretty against regime change, but then when he came into power, he seemed okay with it when he changed his mind about Syria saying he wanted to assassinate their President.

As long as the economy is dependent on war then it doesn't really matter who comes in, as it's all just a show.
 
Should be interesting to see the mass exodus of Democrats to Georgia for the January election. People like Andrew Yang openly violating the law to win. During the November election the same shenanigans went on. The end justifies the means. Doesn't matter what you do as long as you win.

About 1/2 of all Americans believe that there was significant fraud during the Presidential election. What does this mean for our republic?

America Speaks: Do they think fraud occurred in the 2020 presidential election?
How is Andrew Yang breaking the law of the land?
 
Have you seen libertarian debates? They are hilarious. You thought no one would top Trump's 4 years of pure accidental comedy, then well wait until the libertarians come into power.


And the guy stripping with the iron cross tattoo doesn't need roads or clothes.
 
If Trump were actually trying, it'd have happened by now. He's commander-in-chief, he can literally make a full withdrawal anytime he wants. If he is trying, he's so bad at it that it barely counts. If the generals don't listen to him, he should punish them.

When I said Rand Paul would get us out, I don't mean he'd pussy around the issue like Trump (and low key Obama) have. I mean he'd take the heat and actually get it done, probably in his first year at worst. And that's something I respect about him for even if I disagree with on most other issues.
I agree. I think Trump was possibly waiting to get everyone out of the Middle East until after he was sworn in for his second term. You have to play politics. He didn't want to lose any more support until after he was back in office. I think we see similar with lots of two term Presidents. I know it seemed like Obama let loose during his second term. "Took off the gloves".
 
Leaning probably. Extreme libertarianism is pretty hard to take seriously:
Yes, I have to agree. I have problems seeing the validity of the very extreme end of the spectrum. I feel like Rand Paul is a happy compromise. He compromises more than his father did. They used to call Ron Paul "Dr. No" when he was in Congress. Some more compromise is needed.
 
I agree. I think Trump was possibly waiting to get everyone out of the Middle East until after he was sworn in for his second term. You have to play politics. He didn't want to lose any more support until after he was back in office. I think we see similar with lots of two term Presidents. I know it seemed like Obama let loose during his second term. "Took off the gloves".
I could understand that but Trump lost on November 3rd. After losing he could have said "I have another 2.5 months in office and I want a completed withdrawal by such and such a date". Then leave it to Biden, does Biden want to use his political capital to send all the troops Trump just brought home back? That'd be pretty politically unpopular for the new President to do.

And also, politics is not an excuse. This was a winnable issue for him. The American people don't want to be there anymore. They would've been totally on board for disengagement with the Middle East.
 
I could understand that but Trump lost on November 3rd. After losing he could have said "I have another 2.5 months in office and I want a completed withdrawal by such and such a date". Then leave it to Biden, does Biden want to use his political capital to send all the troops Trump just brought home back? That'd be pretty politically unpopular for the new President to do.

And also, politics is not an excuse. This was a winnable issue for him. The American people don't want to be there anymore. They would've been totally on board for disengagement with the Middle East.
The American people would rather the U.S. remain in the Middle East, than pay higher prices for everything when the price of oil rises after we pull out.
 
The American people would rather the U.S. remain in the Middle East, than pay higher prices for everything when the price of oil rises after we pull out.
Well, right now the US is the number one producer of oil in the world so we don't need the Middle East. With the new administration and the global warming agenda, that will change.
 
Your own link says he wasn't planning on voting in Georgia, just helping with the campaign of the Democrats full time until the election. How is that illegal?
When he first came out about moving, it sounded like he was doing it as part of a voting scheme. There were a lot of people in social media pushing the idea of "moving" there just to vote and then leave the state to go home. What he meant exactly we will never know. Some Democrats were making a point out of moving there just to vote.

There were quite a few votes in Arizona that were cast by people that didn't even live there. It's nothing new.
 
When he first came out about moving, it sounded like he was doing it as part of a voting scheme. There were a lot of people in social media pushing the idea of "moving" there just to vote and then leave the state to go home. What he meant exactly we will never know. Some Democrats were making a point out of moving there just to vote.

There were quite a few votes in Arizona that were cast by people that didn't even live there. It's nothing new.
He said very clearly (on I believe CNN) on the onset that he was moving to help, not to vote. The idea that he had some ulterior motive was pushed by right wing pundits with zero evidence and used to suggest that there was some hidden movement.
 
He said very clearly (on I believe CNN) on the onset that he was moving to help, not to vote. The idea that he had some ulterior motive was pushed by right wing pundits with zero evidence and used to suggest that there was some hidden movement.
It happened at a time when citizens were saying they wanted to move there just to vote. I think it was bad timing by him and perhaps just a fact that he didn't state his intentions very well. There were many people that were seriously considering moving there, some were move actors I believe, if I remember right. I tuned it out.
 
It happened at a time when citizens were saying they wanted to move there just to vote. I think it was bad timing by him and perhaps just a fact that he didn't state his intentions very well. There were many people that were seriously considering moving there, some were move actors I believe, if I remember right. I tuned it out.
Around the time of the announcement, Yang fans were forwarding his initial interview about it (from I believe CNN) on Twitter. He was crystal clear. The right just wanted to twist it into a talking point. Obviously it was successful among people who only or primarily look at right wing sources.
 
Around the time of the announcement, Yang fans were forwarding his initial interview about it (from I believe CNN) on Twitter. He was crystal clear. The right just wanted to twist it into a talking point. Obviously it was successful among people who only or primarily look at right wing sources.
I am not speaking just about what he said, and I do think he probably didn't mean that he was moving there to vote. I am mostly pointing out that fact that many everyday citizens were saying that they wanted to "move" there to vote. I remember reading some of the social media posts. Some movie stars joined in. I can't stand when Hollywood gets their nose into politics. All we need from those clowns is to act and entertain us. I don't care what they think or believe. Ruined a lot of actors for me, that I can no longer watch. Goodbye to Robert De Niro.
 
I am not speaking just about what he said, and I do think he probably didn't mean that he was moving there to vote. I am mostly pointing out that fact that many everyday citizens were saying that they wanted to "move" there to vote. I remember reading some of the social media posts. Some movie stars joined in. I can't stand when Hollywood gets their nose into politics. All we need from those clowns is to act and entertain us. I don't care what they think or believe. Ruined a lot of actors for me, that I can no longer watch. Goodbye to Robert De Niro.
Source on the movie stars who said they were going to move to Georgia to vote? And people say dumb things on social media daily. People en masse say that wearing a mask deprives you of oxygen. Ignore people on Facebook or Twitter who say dumb things.

There really wasn't a "movement" though to move en masse to Georgia outside of one fabricated by the right. Don't you think it's at all concerning that Yang was deliberately taken out of context? Wouldn't that make you at least suspect the rest of it was fabricated clickbait too?
 

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