2020 US Presidential Election

[just1morething]

Trump's brother is ill so maybe we should lay off of him for now. Nothing will change anyway until November if it does. I'm more worried about the static hissing in my head atm.

@Christiaan, did you study political science somewhere? You seem very informed about politics in different countries.

 

[all to gain]

Don't know about the situation in the US, but in the UK, there are strong rumours about talks between Labour and Liberal Democrats to form an electoral coalition next elections to shove aside the conservatives and implement a proportional system. At least people are less likely to vote strategically and thus vote accordingly to their ideals.

I'm glad Johnson won the last election over Corbyn as the latter would have been even more of a nightmare than the former. That said, something seriously has to change for the better in the UK.

Do you know much about geopolitics?

 

[FGG]

Trump's brother is ill so maybe we should lay off of him for now. Nothing will change anyway until November if it does.

If he was grieving the illness of his brother and i saw him in person, I would refrain from voicing my distaste for him, but I seriously doubt Trump reads this thread or is affected one way or another by what's said here.

He wasn't exactly nice to McCain and his family as he was dying of brain cancer, though, and hopefully this will help him understand why empathy to grieving people is important.

 

[Zugzug]

I seriously doubt Trump reads this thread

To put it mildly.

In a completely unrelated note, do you think Jastreboff (and other TRT professionals) read these threads?

 

[just1morething]

If he was grieving the illness of his brother and i saw him in person, I would refrain from voicing my distaste for him, but I seriously doubt Trump reads this thread or is affected one way or another by what's said here.

I was just thinking among ourselves. We don't have to imitate someone else's behavior.

 

[PeteJ]

Such "peaceful" protesters:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...e-people-move-homes-leave-black-people-video/

 

[aot]

If he was grieving the illness of his brother and i saw him in person, I would refrain from voicing my distaste for him, but I seriously doubt Trump reads this thread or is affected one way or another by what's said here.

He wasn't exactly nice to McCain and his family as he was dying of brain cancer, though, and hopefully this will help him understand why empathy to grieving people is important.

I mean, he didn't exactly "lay off" his other brother during his struggles with the alcoholism and depression that led him to suicide. What makes us thinks he gives a damn about this one?

(Though I agree that I wouldn't say it to his face. But that's only out of common decency, and not out of the belief that he'd care.)

 

[Christiaan]

Trump's brother is ill so maybe we should lay off of him for now. Nothing will change anyway until November if it does. I'm more worried about the static hissing in my head atm.

@Christiaan, did you study political science somewhere? You seem very informed about politics in different countries.

Thank you. Just love to analyse and compare political systems on a global scale. It's a kind of a weird hobby of mine.

Yes, I studied Political Science at Leiden University, but decided to stop in my 3rd and final year because the prospect of having a decent job afterwards is low. Chances were high you end up in communications, HR or PR and that was not something I was interested in. So I decided to take a teacher's degree in French and English instead.

 

[aot]

I seriously doubt Trump reads this thread or is affected one way or another by what's said here.

"I was on the computer the other day. Beautiful computer, the computer. Beautiul. And I came upon the website called Tinnitus Talk. And Tinnitus Talk, believe me, Tinnitus Talk has this thread. And this thread just loves Crooked Hilary and Sleepy Joe. Just loves them."

And then he just kinda keeps rambling on.

 

[Christiaan]

I'm glad Johnson won the last election over Corbyn as the latter would have been even more of a nightmare than the former. That said, something seriously has to change for the better in the UK.

Do you know much about geopolitics?

I have my doubts about his political qualities & intellectual honesty, but I hope Boris Johnson pulls it off with a Brexit deal that works for all of the UK. It's not in the interest of the EU that the UK is worse off with a trade deal that only benefits us or that the UK leaves without a deal at all.

I wouldn't say geopolitics is my forte, but I like studying the concept. Why do you ask?

 

[Christiaan]

 

[Zugzug]

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To be fair, the "He's not Trump" would be high no matter who the candidate was. Voting out an authoritarian is a pretty motivating thing.

 

[serendipity1996]

To put it mildly.

In a completely unrelated note, do you think Jastreboff (and other TRT professionals) read these threads?

Jastreboff would probably label us 'flag-wavers' smh.

 

[just1morething]

Sleepy Joe or The Donald. It doesn't get any better than that.

 

[Zugzug]

 

[just1morething]

https://marchforlife.org/five-things-you-didnt-know-about-kamala-harris/

 

[all to gain]

I have my doubts about his political qualities & intellectual honesty, but I hope Boris Johnson pulls it off with a Brexit deal that works for all of the UK. It's not in the interest of the EU that the UK is worse off with a trade deal that only benefits us or that the UK leaves without a deal at all.

I wouldn't say geopolitics is my forte, but I like studying the concept. Why do you ask?

Oh, he's not honest in the slightest, but are any of them? The problem with the conservatives is that they take donations from here, there and everywhere, eg former Putin associates, who are now Brititsh/Russian citizens. And the problem with Corbyn was that he is a Marxist who would sell out his country for ideological reasons. Both would have been a disaster for the UK, but Johnson a little less so.

I'm not political in the party-political sense, but I am interested in how the world changes on the geographical level and why.

 

[Christiaan]

Oh, he's not honest in the slightest, but are any of them? The problem with the conservatives is that they take donations from here, there and everywhere, eg former Putin associates, who are now Brititsh/Russian citizens. And the problem with Corbyn was that he is a Marxist who would sell out his country for ideological reasons. Both would have been a disaster for the UK, but Johnson a little less so.

I'm not political in the party-political sense, but I am interested in how the world changes on the geographical level and why.

Ok, in that case: allow me to ask you a question about Brexit in regards to the presidential elections. Do you think that GB is more likely to profit from a good trade deal with a Trump administration or a Biden administration? & Why do you think that?

 

[Christiaan]

To be fair, the "He's not Trump" would be high no matter who the candidate was. Voting out an authoritarian is a pretty motivating thing.

I agree with you that it sounds rational do vote along these lines. Yet I am very weary that some people are considering JB as a sort of saviour against authoritarianism, despite the fact as he was part of an administration that largely ignored the working class (crumbling infrastructure & public goods/services, low wages, low grade in health insurance & 50 million cannot afford basic monthly expenses, protection against outsourcing jobs, etc.) and thus effectively laid the foundation of Trump's electoral rise. There's a sort of irony in that. People assume that he and the people behind them have learned their lesson, but if you look at what he has said so far (e.g. he already said twice that nothing will fundamentally change for the corporate world if he becomes president), I am actually thinking that the party is beyond repair and that we might as well place our bet on a Carlson or Cotton 2024. I just hope I'm wrong.

 

[WillBeNimble]

I am actually thinking that the party is beyond repair and that we might as well place our bet on a Carlson or Cotton 2024. I just hope I'm wrong.

What do you mean, I for one am looking forward to our new frozen food heir president. /jk

 

[WillBeNimble]

There is a reason why older people with medical problems fear medical change and why 18 year old college students without health problems do not.

I don't think the progressives that are talking about healthcare reform are doing it because they don't want to have to pay the premiums, I think it's that they actually fear the cost of healthcare, which due to the lack of increasing wages, and the increase in cost of getting into the "professional" classes, leads many to see themselves as screwed if anything goes wrong with them.

To your point about sympathizing with Trump voters dislike of the democratic party, I could see them saying they hate or are frustrated by the democrats, but not just being like "Oh, yeah, let's be best buds, Trump Voter." They want to constructively criticize, but those in power can't see their missteps and refuse to listen to those who are trying to warn them. Are there certain "lefty" circles that sorta back him, but that occurs on each side of the isle, with the Lincoln Project being an example. To be clear, the lefties I've seen that have gotten buddy buddy with the idea of another Trump tenure have been denounced.

Quality does matter with healthcare. Long wait times are not something anyone wants to deal with, at the same time though, much of the concept of long wait times has come up due to under-funding, as well as anecdotal evidence put out by insurance providers in America. Older people with Medical Problems generally have some type of Medicare though, so it's sort of silly to complain about socialized medicine being such a drag on the system. It's just those benefiting from the current status quo not wanting change at all. Which is normal, but you can't pretend it's not a bit selfish on those who are on such a system then turning around and saying no one under me should experience the benefits.

Regardless, healthcare in America needs to be improved, both on the cost to the patient, the cost to those interested in getting the skills for being in the medical field, and the health outcomes.The only way to avoid wait times is to have more doctors, which gets hard when they can't afford the price of admission.

 

[all to gain]

Ok, in that case: allow me to ask you a question about Brexit in regards to the presidential elections. Do you think that GB is more likely to profit from a good trade deal with a Trump administration or a Biden administration? & Why do you think that?

This question is way above my pay grade, ie I know nothing of Biden's policies. All I know is that Trump has turned out to be a disaster, although he has some decent ideas and has made some right moves, but these are unrelated to to trade deals with the UK. He says he has a love for the UK as his mother was Scottish, so there is the possibility this could sway him to making a fair deal with the UK, but I think his business mind will say otherwise.

 

[Christiaan]

What do you mean, I for one am looking forward to our new frozen food heir president. /jk

Me too if he suddenly has a change of heart, denounces everything he has said in the past, embraces socialism/compassionate capitalism and subsequently subscribes for a DSA membership, but that chance is pretty slick.

You might think that the Democratic Party meets progressives halfway by opting a public option in health care insurance for example, which is a compromise in itself. But people in the party are already trying to water it down if they have both presidency and majority in congress. This doesn't make any sense, especially if you consider the polling (69% Americans want Medicare for all, including 46% Republicans) & lowering in insurance costs for people if you look at European countries where they made this transition. If healthcare is still open for debate, then it doesn't bode well for other issues that centrists and progressives have agreed upon in their joint-platform. Link article: https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...r-biden-health-care-plan-if-democrats-win-big

 

[WillBeNimble]

You might think that the Democratic Party meets progressives halfway by opting a public option in health care insurance for example, which is a compromise in itself. But people in the party are already trying to water it down if they have both presidency and majority in congress.

This is the same thing they did with Obama. I'm not surprised.

 

[FGG]

Me too if he suddenly has a change of heart, denounces everything he has said in the past, embraces socialism/compassionate capitalism and subsequently subscribes for a DSA membership, but that chance is pretty slick.

You might think that the Democratic Party meets progressives halfway by opting a public option in health care insurance for example, which is a compromise in itself. But people in the party are already trying to water it down if they have both presidency and majority in congress. This doesn't make any sense, especially if you consider the polling (69% Americans want Medicare for all, including 46% Republicans) & lowering in insurance costs for people if you look at European countries where they made this transition. If healthcare is still open for debate, then it doesn't bode well for other issues that centrists and progressives have agreed upon in their joint-platform. Link article: https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...r-biden-health-care-plan-if-democrats-win-big

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It doesn't matter what the general public wants, it is what the rich donors and corporate interests want. That's the problem with neo-liberalism and why it doesn't gel with true progressivism.

If Trump wasn't quite as abhorrent, I would sit this election out honestly.

 

[just1morething]

I see Trump lost his brother. I thought abhorrent meant something like disgusting. I don't hear that word much at all in everyday life.

 

[Tanni]

I thought abhorrent meant something like disgusting.

It does mean that...?

 

[aot]

ab•hor•rent ăb-hôr′ənt, -hŏr′-

• adj.
  Disgusting, loathsome, or repellent.
• adj.
  Feeling repugnance or loathing.
• Hating; detesting; struck with abhorrence.

 

[just1morething]

I suppose some would call Joe Biden's running mate abhorrent if they are Pro-Life.

 

[just1morething]