2020 US Presidential Election
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Seems like you are not talking to very educated people then because most people who know about Obama should know about that. John Oliver even did an episode about it.
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Yeah. That's why it's near impossible to talk to them.
Both parties support the status quo including drones, bombing other countries and general foreign policy. A few politicians like Ron Paul bring it up but the MSM shrug it off as much as they can. Republicans and Democrats become best buddies (in censoring or ignoring a neutral critic) when an outsider or alternative politician points out how similar they are.
Do you think Trump is a sexual predator, though? I admit that Biden is a sniffy, overly affectionate weirdo. Though in fairness my support for him is pragmatic. Do you admit that Trump has been sexually inappropriate?
Trump's base has been facing death by a thousand cuts since 2016.
No doubt a large chunk of the American population are indeed thoroughly brainwashed, North Korea style, but there are enough on the periphery who are capable of realizing that he is not the man he said he was for him to lose...decidedly. And those who were just holding their nose up til now are going to have to decide whether to go down with the ship.
If you actually go through the things he's done, a great many of them are likely to piss off the typical conservative voter. For Spencer, the final straw was the killing of Qasem Soleimani. But it could have easily been the sudden reckless pullout of Syria that abandoned our Kurdish allies. Or it could be Trump's buddy-buddy relationship with Putin and turning a blind eye to bounties on US soldiers, a bumbling foreign policy documented in John Bolton's book. Or it could be the OTHER books and exposes that have come out in which other allies, cabinet members, and even family members (including his own sister) think he's unfit for office. (And don't even get me started on the congnitive dissonance of evangelicals turning a blind eye to Trump's womanizing or other character flaws.)
Sure, he started out as a symbol of protest, a sort of F-U to Washington, but now we know what putting a numbskull like this in charge does to the country. I mean, he's already been impeached and should be impeached again if he wins (or kicked out upon point of a bayonet if he disputes the election and refuses to vacate the White House). 170K+ dead from an inept COVID response and a tattered economy. Jack boot thugs sent to escalate problems with the protesters, etc... I don't have enough time to list out all of these problems. Not all conservatives would see these as negatives, but believe me, there are enough negatives to go around, far more negatives than positives.
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Opening up the states was for the most part done by the governors. We don't have a vaccine remember? Everyone should be wearing masks out in the public. The protesters had to be stopped once they started looting and burning down buildings. That was crazy what the extremist groups did, totally unnecessary. The stock market is near record highs, so calling the economy tattered is not exactly true.
Governors who take their cue from the president, like Desantis.
Indeed, but sending unidentified jack-boot thugs in camo to start clubbing protesters (including a veteran who got his arm broken on camera while he was just standing there not actively threatening anybody) simply didn't help. The angry rhetoric surrounding these moves was also straight out of a banana republic playbook. The incident with Trump and the bible photo op also wasn't helpful. It reinforces the idea that Trump's only approach to problems is force, at least domestically. Internationally all he does is back down and retreat and offer concessions.
Trump ran on a populist platform, not just one of making the rich richer while Joe 6P loses his job.
I would really think twice about deciding to offer up an ongoing stream of defenses because the Trump administration has really accomplished very little positive, even when measured against conservative principles.
Shouldn't all the protesters be dead by now from COVID-19? None practice social distancing.
Keep believing the COVID-1984 hoax if you want.
Yeah, he's not doing anything while Democrat governors and mayors applaud looters in most metropolitan cities. Trump the pushover should do more but that's the American system, I guess.
There is no legal or civil penalty for disrespecting or critcizing Trump as a private citizen. Go to North Korea and do the same.
Just curious, but did anyone here oppose the Hong Kong protests because of the destruction of property and the disruption of daily life there?
China is doing the same, highlighting the opportunists among the protesters to discredit the whole movement.
I mean, did anyone really buy it when Trump said Martin Gugino, a mid-70s Catholic peace activist was "Antifa"?
China is doing the same, highlighting the opportunists among the protesters to discredit the whole movement.
I mean, did anyone really buy it when Trump said Martin Gugino, a mid-70s Catholic peace activist was "Antifa"?
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Look at the new CBS poll:
only 5% Republicans say they're going to vote for Joe Biden.
That's lower than the 8% of Republicans who voted for Obama in 2008, 6% Republicans voted for Obama in 2012 and 7% of Republicans who voted for Hillary Clinton (Text: Waleed Shahid).
It's maybe to early to tell, but maybe pitching to so called ''Biden republicans'' is not a winning strategy. You're not showing you're a party of change if you present people like John Kasich, who is anti-abortion, a union buster and a big fan of slashing social security. It's also not really helpful in rallying the more liberal and progressive base to go all the way for Biden.
only 5% Republicans say they're going to vote for Joe Biden.
That's lower than the 8% of Republicans who voted for Obama in 2008, 6% Republicans voted for Obama in 2012 and 7% of Republicans who voted for Hillary Clinton (Text: Waleed Shahid).
It's maybe to early to tell, but maybe pitching to so called ''Biden republicans'' is not a winning strategy. You're not showing you're a party of change if you present people like John Kasich, who is anti-abortion, a union buster and a big fan of slashing social security. It's also not really helpful in rallying the more liberal and progressive base to go all the way for Biden.
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170,000 divided by 330 million = .0005%. Do other countries even tell you their death total? If they do how do you know if they are telling the truth? Being the US is the largest economy in the world, how long do you keep it shut down? We're in uncharted waters so there is bound to be some trial and error.
He's actually right but his intended point backfired. There's a lot of brainwashed commie fools who would be right at home in North Korea.
It hasn't ran through the rest of us yet, though. Further, to say that it's only 0.0005% of the US pop is remarkably dismissive of the lives of those who have died, and the others that will die because of it.
LOL. Who is most likely to eliminate freedoms and rights to critcize the President, Trump or the Marxist and Communist-backed Biden camp?
LOL. Who is most likely to eliminate freedoms and rights to critcize the President, Trump or the Marxist and Communist-backed Biden camp?
Trump?
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This is so misinformed it's ridiculous. People on the left are casting a vote for Biden because they want to beat on him like a pinata. They may even primary him. Thinking that the left wants Biden in charge, only to bow down to him and never question him, is just laughably incorrect. Trump regularly calls the press the "enemy of the people," has banned CNN reporters from press conferences, has said that flag burning should result in imprisonment. He obstructed justice in his own investigation.LOL. Who is most likely to eliminate freedoms and rights to critcize the President, Trump or the Marxist and Communist-backed Biden camp?
I swear to god, he could go on television, with a gun, and say he wants to murder a CNN reporter, and his supporters would either outright cheer it on or say that it was the reporter's fault for standing in front of the gun.
This story is as old as time. Dismissing COVID-19 deaths as the cost of doing business reminds me of this scene from The Ten Commandments. So far the right have diverged from their evangelical ideals in the name of simple greed.
"Blood makes poor mortar."
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It's his energy. I don't think republicans trust him to have the energy to combat the left in the way that they want.
I also wonder if the data is a little weird in that people who found the republican party reprehensible changed over a long time ago. It makes sense to me that the luke warm people aren't obviously going to vote for Biden.
ZugZug once said most scientist are not republican. Which is obviously the case. But what about libertarian scientist?
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I am willing to concede that there are many unaffiliated scientists, who just love science and are apathetic about politics and government. Some even go through the government hoops by necessity. If I ever gave the impression that I thought most scientists were madly in love with the Democratic party, then that was not my intention. Bear in mind, I myself am not in love with the Democratic party. I mostly support them as a tool to stop Trump.
My main point, really, was that conservatives have no place to lecture the left on setting up programs to facilitate science. Is there a better way than government agencies? Maybe. But these programs will not evolve from the older, religious right.
The guy who wants to make burning a piece of fabric a crime you can get locked in jail for a year for committing. That'd be Trump.LOL. Who is most likely to eliminate freedoms and rights to critcize the President, Trump or the Marxist and Communist-backed Biden camp?
Yeah, right. That's why Trump accepts idiots mocking him every day on social media etc. etc. yet has done nothing about it.
The threat to freedom is from the Elites and Marxists who destroy property, threaten to attack people and actually commit violence.
