Too bad you can loot, burn and destroy property and beat people in the street but not even get arrested. So, yeah, Trump is pretty bad for doing nothing but thinking burning a flag is worth taking initiative to act.
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Yet none of you have been arrested yet by this Trump who supposedly doesn't allow criticism.
If you vote for Biden, you support Marxism. Don't patronize me, Zugzug.
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Why do you always phrase everything in the most pro authoritarian way possible?
Trump does not accept idiots mocking him. The overwhelming resistance from a large percentage of the population is why he's held in check. Do you honestly believe, in your heart of hearts, that Trump would feel bad about locking up CNN reporters if he could? You think he could really pull it off, but just has too much decency?
One of my pet peeves is when people use the proper resistance against authoritarianism to then be like "see, it's not a problem." Yes, thanks to people that stand up to it.
The entire point of resisting Trump is to avoid full-on authoritarianism. Don't take that for granted and be like "see, we aren't even North Korea! Be thankful."
Why are you so insistent that people like me and others apologize and bow at the alter to Trump for being so gracious?
If anything, sounding the alarms to authoritarianism is more respectful to people in North Korea, as it shows that we are scared of getting there.
That resistance isn't that overwhelming otherwise he would have been removed from office after having been impeached. That was really a litmus test not so much on Trump but on the American people. If his support had eroded you can bet the GOP would have read the tea leaves and thrown him under the bus. That was really the inflection point after which Trump felt truly untouchable, leading to everything since (including stuff like pardoning Roger Stone). We'll be lucky if there are just enough people turning sides to get rid of the guy which is no reason to celebrate the wisdom and prudence of the American voter.
I lived in the UK for a year as a teenager (high school exchange) and it was even weirder when I came back to see the car lots with the towering American flags everywhere and the full on flag fetishizing that happens here after living somewhere else and not seeing it for a bit.Hope this doesn't offend anyone, but thought it was a good point
Cool, which city/town?
I know this is taking it to the other extreme because there's nothing wrong with taking pride in your country, but in the UK it's actually considered a bit racist to have a flag up, particularly the English flag rather than the British one. If you see a St George in someone's back garden, you associate it with the alt right etc.
Except when the football world cup is on, and then they're everywhere!
Bristol.Cool, which city/town?
I know this is taking it to the other extreme because there's nothing wrong with taking pride in your country, but in the UK it's actually considered a bit racist to have a flag up, particularly the English flag rather than the British one. If you see a St George in someone's back garden, you associate it with the alt right etc.
Except when the football world cup is on, and then they're everywhere!
Your question was which candidate was more likely to take away your freedom to criticize America. I'd say the guy who wants to jail you for burning a flag.
He hasn't jailed anyone... not even people who broke the law.
Biden is in bed with authoritarian Marxists and far left loons who hate white people. It's pretty obvious who would be likely to take freedoms away.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ing-funds-elite-approved-democrat-candidates/
Far left Democrats are taking over the party and using Biden as their complicit puppet. These communists won't take anyone's rights away...No
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You liberals keep posting your humor and jokes...
Far left Democrats are taking over the party and using Biden as their complicit puppet. These communists won't take anyone's rights away...No
...LOL.
You liberals keep posting your humor and jokes...
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Yep, this is the way it is! And it's a damn shame. St George day isn't even a national holiday either.Cool, which city/town?
I know this is taking it to the other extreme because there's nothing wrong with taking pride in your country, but in the UK it's actually considered a bit racist to have a flag up, particularly the English flag rather than the British one. If you see a St George in someone's back garden, you associate it with the alt right etc.
Except when the football world cup is on, and then they're everywhere!
I bet most foreigners don't even know what the English flag looks like as they just associate the British flag with England.
That said, no other flag gets close to the British flag. The coolest flag in the world. Not that I'm biased at all.
I'd say that our freedoms are being taken away now. People are being forced to conform to this mob mentality.
These are fascist tactics and they must not be tolerated. It won't turn out well for the mob if my family is attacked.
These are fascist tactics and they must not be tolerated. It won't turn out well for the mob if my family is attacked.
Is this because of the BLM protests (are there BLM protests in Canada??), or have you always felt persecuted by black people?
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Maybe you think it's funny but I don't.
I'm not debating anyone or trying to change anyone's mind but I have a right to my views and so do you.
I have mentioned this in prior posts I have seen enough violence for two life times and want peace on my streets. I cannot condone rioters terrorizing our neighborhoods. Innocent people's lives are being destroyed and our politicians act like fools. Is it too much to ask people not to hurt each other? I'll get behind any political party that stops this violence and puts their citizens first.
Maybe you think it's funny but I don't.
I'm not debating anyone or trying to change anyone's mind but I have a right to my views and so do you.
I have mentioned this in prior posts I have seen enough violence for two life times and want peace on my streets. I cannot condone rioters terrorizing our neighborhoods. Innocent people's lives are being destroyed and our politicians act like fools. Is it too much to ask people not to hurt each other? I'll get behind any political party that stops this violence and puts their citizens first.
I never once condoned violence. The comic specifically refers to all liberals being called "Marxist".
This happened today and is extremely sad:
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/08/26/kenosha-shooting-kyle-rittenhouse-arrested-antioch-fugitive/
Property (not that I condone opportunists using a movement for their own gains) can be replaced. Lives can't.
I googled it. It's a good flag. Chicago's flag is the best one in my opinion, however.
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That is exactly what happens to a society that feels there's no rule of law anymore.
Politicians that are pushing the defund the police narrative should be ashamed of themselves.
They are partly to blame for this chaos. I am all for holding everyone that breaks the law accountable including the police. What's happening now is our politicians are using their citizens as pawns in their sick and twisted quest for power. I wish I could show these politicians that have been in office for decades pushing war in their comforts of their offices what it truly feels like when you know death is at your door step. Maybe just maybe then they can realize that we all need a path to peace and not war and divisiveness.
We had BLM protests here -- it was all very civilized and only lasted a couple of weeks.
Seems like that's not the case in the US. Is it really that bad? Sounds like it's not about BLM anymore, but just an excuse for people to fight each other. Is that because of the left/right divide, or just general unrest?
Agree with @Carlos1 that it sounds like a leader is needed who can unite both sides as much as possible.
Seems like that's not the case in the US. Is it really that bad? Sounds like it's not about BLM anymore, but just an excuse for people to fight each other. Is that because of the left/right divide, or just general unrest?
Agree with @Carlos1 that it sounds like a leader is needed who can unite both sides as much as possible.
I don't know much about the UK police situation but is there accountability when civilians are shot? That's what the protests are arguing for and I guess will continue until it happens.
I can't disagree with but would add that the rule of law should also apply to the ones enforcing it.
And sadly you are correct that people are pawns.
"Defund the police" doesn't mean dismantle the police, btw, it means reduce funding to not outfit them like a military operation. But it doesn't really matter as Biden and Harris have said they are specifically against any defunding of the police in their platform.
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I don't think people in this thread disagree as much as it seems. I think the disagreement is really in the numbers and whether there's value to discussing entire groups. For example, everyone here agrees that violence and looting is a problem. Everyone also agrees that a cop is capable of doing something evil. I'm sure everyone also agrees that cops have difficult jobs and that a perpetrator resisting arrest or destroying property can be frightening for a cop.
This thread always goes off the rails when we start smearing large groups. The question of "is violent Marxism a massive problem?" and "when it occurs, is it taken seriously enough?" are not the same question. Much in the same way, the question of "when horrific police brutality occurs, is it taken seriously enough?" and "are cops just brutes running around looking to kill?" are not the same question.
I say this as someone who used to work in a super liberal institution. Marxism is not a wide-spread belief. Anyone who says this is stoking propaganda. I don't know a single Marxist. In fact, I have read more about Marxism recently because I knew so little about it.
This thread always goes off the rails when we start smearing large groups. The question of "is violent Marxism a massive problem?" and "when it occurs, is it taken seriously enough?" are not the same question. Much in the same way, the question of "when horrific police brutality occurs, is it taken seriously enough?" and "are cops just brutes running around looking to kill?" are not the same question.
I say this as someone who used to work in a super liberal institution. Marxism is not a wide-spread belief. Anyone who says this is stoking propaganda. I don't know a single Marxist. In fact, I have read more about Marxism recently because I knew so little about it.
But Trump said he wants to take people's freedom away. Like he's on record literally saying it. You heard it from the horse's mouth.
I would also add that increased training for cops and a continuing education/licensing system for cops would go a long way because it would give (the mostly good!) cops a reporting system for the bad cops without having to go through the chain of command and increased training and preparedness is how cops can also help stop adrenaline from taking over and doing something they may regret.
Because let's face it, BLM wouldn't have such widespread support (and no, half the country isn't some "Marxist". I have never ever met a Marxist in my life and I know plenty of BLM supporters) if these cases had outcomes that reflected equal justice.
Look at the Kenosha footage, cops were handing out the white militia dudes water and encouraging them to start shit with the BLM protestors (there is a video of a cop telling one they were going to push the crowd into them!). Are all cops like that guy? Absolutely not (just like very few protestors are looting opportunists) but they exists and it needs to be talked about and addressed within their ranks just like many BLM supporters are begging people not to undermine the movement by looting.
Last point: I saw this comment online "to the right, often communism is simply any time the government does stuff and the more stuff it does, the more communismy it is." But as Bernie pointed out it's not okay to be okay with "corporate socialism" including tax cuts for the very wealthy and bail outs while expecting "rugged individualism" for the poor.
Civilians... as in innocent? You just never hear of that happening here. Our Police don't carry guns as a rule, and if they do shoot someone it's HUGE news, and generally because the person has already started stabbing/a shoot out so the use of a gun in response makes sense to the public.
Looks like about 4 civilians are shot a year according to the below link. That's more than I thought. Link also mentions America.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/319246/police-fatal-shootings-england-wales/
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